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Old 31st January 2007, 21:32
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Vista

Has anyone got Vista yet, I know its a bit early but I wonder if they could give us their initial impression.
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Old 31st January 2007, 21:46
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Some parts of Vista look remarkably like Apple's OSX. Here's some pictures from the second release candidate:
http://content.techrepublic.com.com/..._11-34402.html

I think I'll probably leave it for a while, let it settle in and wait for all the drivers and software to sort themselves out.
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Old 31st January 2007, 22:10
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My nephew works in IT, and he say's that the public should wait 6-8 months untill microsoft have ironed out some of the bugs.

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Old 31st January 2007, 22:14
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Vista. Only playing catch up with the Mac.
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Old 31st January 2007, 23:47
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Derek,

My advice is to wait - or if you really can't, install it on a second machine so you can fall-back to the old one. I would be very surprised if installation goes smoothly on any kind of machine with components (hardware or software) more than a year old or with unusual add-on cards, peripherals or out of the ordinary software which has probably not been tested with it.

If you buy a new machine you will not have a choice for long as Vista will come ready installed - at least in that case you can take it back to the store if there is an issue. And even if you are buying a new machine I would ask the vendor that there is support for your particular model of printer, scanner etc. as drivers tend to be delivered late or not at all if past experience is anything to go by.

Also you should ask yourself why you should install it. Are there features in it you really need? If the answer is no then why spend money and risk problems with your system.

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Old 1st February 2007, 00:02
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Microsoft have already said that they will drop all support for XP by 2011 , I think WinME will be dropped this year if not already.

My Brother-in-Law has seen it operating ( they got it to try in his work , Civil Service ) and they were decidedly not impressed. The system requirements mean that unless your running a minimum of 1Gig of Ram , a fast Processor ( nothing less than 1.8Ghz ) and have a 200Gig Hard Drive this sucker aint going to run properly. Ignore the "minimum requirements" that microsoft say will be able to run the software take the reccomended as the lowest and up it considerably to get it to run anywhere near properly.

I have learned over the years to only buy a new Windows Operating System just before a new one comes out. By that time all of the serious bugs will be ironed out and it should run ok ( saying that Windows XP hates my folders of jpg images , more than 250 images and it closes the window with an error message when WinME would scroll thru a folder with 8000 images in it without as much as pausing !!! good job I kept my old PC for doing my photo's and videos on lol )

I've had a computer since 1981 ( Sinclair ZX81 ) , worked my way thru 6 Sinclair ZX Spectrums ( still got the 128 ) , a couple Commodore C64's ( still got them too ) , an Amiga A500+ , then onto building my own PC's in 1994 using Windows 3.11 thru to my latest PC which I bought as it was cheaper than the individual component costs !!.

I've used all versions of Windows from DOS in 1987 on a PC-AT in the Fishery Office , thru 3.11 ( still the best if your running accounts / word processing / etc as its absolutely stable unlike everything since ) , Windows95, Windows 98SE, WindowsME , WindowsXP and of them all if I could do what I wanted on this PC i'd still be using 3.11 as in the years I had that it only crashed twice !!


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Old 1st February 2007, 12:17
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If you are thinking of getting Vista beware. I recieved an Email from Orange ( formerly Freeserve ) warning everyong to check with microsoft frst before upgrading due to the fact that the USB Broadband Modems might not work at all.

Check check and check again folks or better yet wait 12 months and see what happens !!!

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Old 1st February 2007, 19:47
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Linux anyone?

What about Linux?

Yes I know that there are loads of different distibutions and some of the older ones didn't support all the hardware but updates are running all the time so not a problem for long.

Overall there are believed to be more Linux users in the world than users of Mac OS10, and it's similarly bomb-proof. As a additional benefit there are not many viruses written capable of having any effect upon, but if you're worried AVG do a free anti virus for Linux as well.

So, I use MS XP on my main machine but have been trying various 'distros' on other machines - Suse seems to be all singing and dancing and Ubuntu seems to be the choice for the KISS user.

When you read the terms of use that Uncle Bill has written into Vista then anything, yes anything, is a better bet in the value for money department.

Does anyone else have a view on that?
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Old 1st February 2007, 20:25
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Clockman,

I have experimented with Suse Linux and it is very good and comes with a pretty decent set of applications - many of which can read and write stuff in Microsoft format - Word, Excel etc.

The downside is getting help if you have problems - not that many people know what to do if it goes wrong and the ones that do tend to be geeks! As I work for an IT company there is no shortage of geeks for me to ask dumb questions to but others might not be so fortunate (or unfortunate depending on your viewpoint).

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Old 1st February 2007, 21:17
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It seems that windows remains the predominant platform for personal computers. However Apple's share of the PC market is increasing by around 5% when the PC market is declining
The Mac is more secure against virus attacks, slick and with easy to use software to make movies or slideshows. fits neatly with the ipod against the suspect Zune The windows PC is a boring productivity tool (spreadsheets etc) that can't handle creative assignments very well. Stick with the Mac. More exciting?

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Old 1st February 2007, 22:41
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Many thanks to everyone for the comments. Looks like the old maxim of not installing any new operating system for about 12 months after the release is still current and I am certainly not interested in pioneering.
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Old 1st February 2007, 22:41
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I suppose that if you want help there is a phone number you can call and after a considerable wait with a recording saying your call is important please stay on the line and you will be answered in sequence, a friendly voice of a Peter Sellers talk alike from Bangalore India will assist(sic) you.
Having been with Indian crews my ears are tuned but dambed if I could understand!!!
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Old 2nd February 2007, 20:57
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Thank you Brian (Benjidog). That pretty well confirms what I am thinking.
Well it seems that no one else has a view on Linux. Maybe they don't know that it has grown up now, or perhaps they people don't want to be associated with geeks.....
For myself NO, I am not a geek, but will admit to being a member of that other breed the 'B.O.F.' but I don't think that I am alone on this site.
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Old 2nd February 2007, 21:09
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Clockman,

I am putting together a second computer, I was going to install Win XP, but reading your post I am thinking to give Linux ago. Where would I get a Linux installation disc please?

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Old 2nd February 2007, 21:18
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Google for "Suse Linux" or "Ubuntu".
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Old 3rd February 2007, 19:28
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I have sent a PM reply to Frank P, but if anyone else needs/wants help in finding Linux then here is what I said (Same as mcgurggle, but longer):

If you have not used Linux before the really odd thing is that there is no definitive version. They are all based on a core and developed along similar lines, but different.
Pronounced LIN-UX (rhymes with pin).
If you want to try various distributions, (referred to as distros) then one of the cheapest options is to have a look on ebay, some sellers offer a stack of discs for about the price of the media. I've no idea how they make a profit.
The really cheap option is to find a website and download it yourself, but as you then have to burn your own media it's no better than ebay.
Next option is to visit W.H.Smith or similar, there are a number of Linux magazines which offer a full distribution as a cover gift. Sometimes Smiths themselves do a package with Software and basic instructions, but you take a chance whether it is the latest version or not.
Top end is to buy a commercial product, Suse Linux made by novel is available in a box with the manual. (The latest version is 10.2) There are others and I think even PC World might have something tucked away.
Good Luck, I hope you enjoy using it.

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Old 4th February 2007, 00:41
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Malcolm, thanks for PM and the information, I have just bought a Suse 10.2 version on Ebay, I will see how it goes.

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Old 5th February 2007, 19:39
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While in a newsagent this morning I spotted the Computer magazines, three of which had cover mentions of Vista:

1. 'Make your PC easier to use and safer with Vista'
2. 'Vista, do you need it?'
3. With a picture of a Vista box: 'The most pointless upgrade of 2007'

Seems that people in the know are divided to say the least.
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Old 5th February 2007, 20:33
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If you go to the Microsoft website you can download a small file that will scan your computer and advise corrective action to be taken prior to upgrading to Vista.
I found that I could upgrade but:---

A) My scanner might not work

B) Winzip will have to be removed and reinstalled and even then might (note might) not work

C) Also several bits of software ( Adobe Photoshop 4 ) needs to be updated from the Adobe website.

Overall it seems to me that an upgrade could send my system base over apex.

My computer is 2yrs old and runs on XP with a Pentium 4 / 3.2 processor.
With 1GB ram, 250GB hard drive,DVD burner and DVD ROM.


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Old 5th February 2007, 23:16
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Linux is looking more and more attractive.

Having just got to grips with Windows XP I will not be considering Vista until the version after comes out and maybe not even then.

Even if your machine is only a couple of years old your original XP disks will need a few hours of upgrade downloads now just to make it safe if you ever have to re-install. It would be more to the point to bring out an XP upgrade with all the downloads/upgrades incorporated.

Now if Linux had a really good emulator that would run Windows programs seamlessly.......

Or should one just by a Mac and be done with it?
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Old 5th February 2007, 23:44
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Fubar, for XP you can get Service Pack 2 on a disk from microsoft (free) it contains most of the updates that you need and it takes about 30 minutes to install. I have heard that Service Pack 3 should be out soon.

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Old 6th February 2007, 00:04
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Thanks Frank,
Got service pack 2 but still needs a lot of download time for updates.

I'd heard there was supposed to be a service pack 3 but someone warned that it could be dodgy. I'll wait and see what appears.

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Old 6th February 2007, 08:46
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I understand that Vista will not run with AOL ISP they issued a directive for the downloads and system requirements
also that a usb plug in modem will need to be replaced with Ethernet modem or router
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Old 6th February 2007, 09:25
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Have been using the RTM business version of Vista for the past 6 weeks in my office and so far have not found any problems.
USB plug-in modems will work as long as you have a suitable driver for them.
I have a 6 year old Canon scanner which works happily using its XP driver.
Anyone who uses AOL does not deserve to run a modern operating system.
Will be buying the business version next week so will revert if any big problems found but I have to say that so far it is quicker, more stable and has a much better interface than XP.
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Old 6th February 2007, 18:15
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From what I last heard, the XP Service pack 3 isn't expected until the 1st quarter of 2008! Presumably to encourage more people to upgrade to Vista.
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