Palm line remembered

scottie dog
16th February 2005, 16:30
Mike Scott with palm line for 10yrs in the seventies.
Recently contacted Garry on this sight, and Bob Stenhouse via talking to someone on this site.
Unfortunately the site collapsed a few day back and some info was lost.
Come on guys lets get this started.
Mike

Bjm
30th January 2009, 12:07
brian Melia here AB on Bamenda and Bagagry in 80s
I still miss pepper soup ,chicken palm oil chop !
I used to get it off our cook he was from Freetown and was surprised I loved it!

manowari
10th February 2009, 10:50
Further the thread on Palm Line this is the Globestar ex Burutu Palm aground and breaking up at Mombasa c1974...

Four Bells
10th February 2009, 11:04
Badagery Palm 69 JOS,Enugu Palm70 Edh, good memories

Monket
10th February 2009, 11:09
Ilorin Palm 1961. EDH

PollY Anna
11th February 2009, 16:50
Elmina Palm 1963

That west coast was a real eye opener don't let the 1st Mate catch you coming back at 8 o'clock in the morning LOL

Regards Ron

jim barnes
12th February 2009, 01:46
IKEJA PALM 29/6/73 to 9/9/73
LAGOS PALM 20/9/74 to 31/1/75
ILISHA PALM 10/3/75 to17/4/75
ANDONI PALM 18/9/75 to 17/4/75 My first child (girl) born 27/9/75 Liverpool.
left in Sapeli paid off sick
My last trip with the palm line, got banned dont think they liked the medical fee's

louielouie
12th March 2009, 18:58
Hi, I'm fascinated by this route and was wondering if anyone knew of any way you could recreate it as a traveller now? Are there still frieghters that opperate along the coast or is it just direct to South Africa? I'll be in Luanda, Angola and it would be the most amazing route back to Britain. Any advice would be much appreciated. Cheers. Louis

hoparch
30th May 2009, 14:43
I sailed as a passenger on the Gambia Palm from Freetown to Avonmouth
in 1957. It was its last trip before being scrapped and frequently broke
down.
I am hoping to record the voyage as a short story for my family and
wondered if there is anyone who even remembers the ship.

sheringham
31st May 2009, 18:41
After 4 years apprenticeship with BP Tanker Co. I fancied a change.!!!
3rd Mate on Kano Palm 61/62. Then Lagos Palm 1962. Could see little benefit taking leave when vessel back in Europe as stevadores did the discharge and loading so it was almost like being on leave. Had no inclination to take leave down the coast...even if the opportunity would have arisen.
Toxteth docks, the west coast, Palm oil chop and pepper soup a distant memory.

Russken40
3rd June 2009, 20:16
Great memories of Palm Line. Started on the Lobito Nov/Dec 62 as jun 3rd engineer, then 2 years on the Ibadan, then various others ranging from the new to the old ..the Makeni...ex BP tanker.....what a ship!! Two trips on the Lagos, 1965, then another two on the Ibadan 1966,last deep sea was the Africa 1967. Parted company June 1968. Memories....Pepper soup at 2 in the morning down below on the 12-4 watch!!............... playing football in Sierra Leone, Freetown, against a group of locals, we were kitted out football boots etc, the locals, some had boots, some had shoes, some had neither......they kicked us off the park!!!! Happy days!!
Russ K (Thumb)

SkaVeN1313
8th June 2009, 11:36
Hi all, Im completely new here so a warm hello to you all, and do be gentle.

The reason I came to this site was in particular to go back over my fathers history (unfortunatly he passed away suddenly three years ago- the perils of being on land too long we think lol!). His life was at sea mainly between 1964-1982, in which he worked in fishing, merchant navy and royal navy as a radio operator and in particular his fondest memories of being at sea were on board the Badagry Palm vessel. Please bear with me as I gather more info but heres what I have so far:-
My father: Francis John Wild b 1950-d 2006, Resided mainly in Grimsby but also lived in Birmingham for a while. May have also gone by the names, Frank Eddington/Wild, Edders, Frankie.

I know its just a shot in the dark but my father came on to land to stay when I reached two or three years of age and he finally got settled with just one woman (he was a great character hehehehehe!). And although he led a good life (he became a writer in the end with partial recognition for his poetry) his happiest times were at sea- and the many stories he would tell me were amazing, from being thrown through pub windows in Hamburg (a woman involved again lol) to being robbed and left in his underware with his pals because they thought they would try some wackybacci they got from some locals in Lagos and many more, some not so funny and very harrowing. Makes my modern job seem so boring!!. Men were men ect!! I just thought I would take a shot in the dark and see what happens.

Thanks for your time gentlemen.

Peter (Pat) Baker
9th June 2009, 13:28
Hoparch,

I certainly remember The Gambia Palm as I dis my first and second voyages to Sea in her in 1955.
If I can give you any further information about her just ask.

Peter (Pat0 Baker.

Peter (Pat) Baker
9th June 2009, 13:29
Hoparch,

For "dis" please read "did"

Peter (Pat) Baker.

R58484956
9th June 2009, 15:41
Greetings SkaveN and welcome to SN on your first interesting posting. Enjoy the site and bon voyage.

SkaVeN1313
11th June 2009, 08:54
R58484956 - thanks for your kind greeting, I am currently enjoying reading through many of these posts, my father would have loved this!

Russken40
11th June 2009, 19:32
Hi SkaVeN1313,
Welcome to this great site. I sailed on the Badagry Palm, 3rd Engineer, 1964 and 1965, maybe a bit before your father met the Badagry, a great ship. Unfortunately your father's name hasn't rang any bells, but there again I have trouble remembering what day it is. Enjoy the site.
Regards
Russ K (Thumb)

cacique
26th June 2009, 19:54
"Night Soil of Sogal"

to the tune of Mountains O'Mourne.


La La La La La Etc.

Oh they told me that Sogal was a wonderful sight
Where the people are sleeping by day and by night
They don't eat potatoes, nor barley nor wheat
But there's gangs of them scratching their **** in the street

At least when I asked them that's what I was told
So I thought while they're sleeping, I'll steal all their gold
But for all that I found there I'd sooner not be
Where the night soil of Sogal sweeps down to the sea

La La La La La Etc.

Oh the people are friendly and cultured I said
Until Goats on Airegin Airways were led
The lunch was cassava, the dinner was yam
And spitting out garri to the toilet I ran

How we landed at Sogal I'll ne'er understand
Sure a plane landing backwards just couldn't be planned
As we sat at the customs the smell came to me
Where the night soil of Sogal sweeps down to the sea.

La La La La La Etc.

As we parked in the traffic there arose like a flash
some twenty-five beggars all pleading for dash
I paid them but then to my horror I saw
They were instantly followed by twenty-five more

And when finally at my own house I arrived
Of power and water I was wholly deprived
As I sat in the darkness the stench arose clear to me
Of the night soil of Sogal being swept to the sea.

La La La La La Etc.

Oh they told me that Sunday my steward was good
'Til he cooked all my washing and ironed all my food
He smashed all my dishes, set fire to the bed
And misunderstood everything that I said

I tried to dismiss him, but he begged on his knee
And now I keep finding ice cubes in my tea
Ah, I thank God I'm not very long left to be
Where the night soil of Sogal sweeps down to the sea.

La La La La La Etc.

And when I'm in England I'll look back on all this
But no doubt there will be many things that I'll miss
I'll think of the people, I'll remember the fun
I'll crave for the money and I'll long for the sun

I'll dream of mosquitoes and sleep counting bites
And stars will remind me of tropical nights
And perhaps when I'm lonely I'll again long to be
Where the night soil of Sogal sweeps down to the sea.


Regards,
David Wilson.

stan mayes
26th June 2009, 20:52
Nice one David,
Best regards
Stan

lakercapt
26th June 2009, 21:43
sheringham;
3rd Mate on Kano Palm 61/62.

Might have met each other as I was 2nd mate at this time on Kano Palm

sheringham
27th June 2009, 00:34
Lakercapt.

Joined Kano Palm 30.09.61 in Hamburg. Did 1.5 round trips to the coast. 3rd Mate on the Lagos Palm got into a spot of bother in Apapa and as we were leaving that day (03.03.62) we swopped ships with 1 hours notice. Got back to Toxteth dock 07.04.62. and paid off. Most mates were married and local so I elected to stayed aboard until signed on again!!. One evening found the second cook entertaining the tally man in the bar. Told him to leave !!!Next moment I am running round the hatches with him in close pursuit with butchers knife. Made it to the security gate. Returned to ship with police only to be confronted with a completely different scenario. I wondered if I was on the same ship!. Next morning rang office explained the situation.... told that they would take no action. Left that day never to darken their gangway again.
Actually I liked the Company and would have stayed but could see little future on that vessel.

Ron

mattyr
5th July 2009, 12:06
matty roberts here. have just seen your message. i still have contact with a few palm liners,namely colin curtis jammy mathews jimmy smith john whilem graham knoles and neil jenkins and through neil jerry batt and andy dickson(A

father john
5th July 2009, 14:18
Hi SKaVeN 1313 I sailed on Badagry Palm as 3rd Mate in 1964, and as 2nd Mate in 1967 and 1968.It is difficult to put faces to names so long ago. You father must have been employed by Marconi, as they supplied Radio Officers to Palm Line at that time. I also have good memories of Badagry Palm. Good luck. father john.

father john
5th July 2009, 14:35
Hi Russken 40, I joined Badagry Palm on 7th Jan 1964 in Antwerp and paid off on 24 June 1964 in Rotterdam after two voyages to West Africa, so we were probably shipmates for a while, I also sailed on several other Palm Line Ships between 1963 and 1969.

Palmship
5th July 2009, 18:23
Hi All, looking at SKaVens post, I think he's talking about the Badagry Palm of 1979 vintage. Will ask my Dad if he remembers Mr Wild, my dad stood by the ship whilst she was being built and did the first couple of voyages before being promoted to master,

regards Graham

ccurtis1
5th July 2009, 18:42
Hi All, looking at SKaVens post, I think he's talking about the Badagry Palm of 1979 vintage. Will ask my Dad if he remembers Mr Wild, my dad stood by the ship whilst she was being built and did the first couple of voyages before being promoted to master,

regards Graham

Where was she built Graham? Poland or Sunderland? My brother stood by the building of new vessels in both places
Regards

Palmship
5th July 2009, 19:36
Hi ccurtis, she was built Sunderland, think she had the sad privilege of being the last ship built there.

tom
5th July 2009, 19:57
sailed on the bamenda palm as edh from 2nd1st to 25th june1970.
tom sullivan

Russken40
6th July 2009, 10:14
Hi Russken 40, I joined Badagry Palm on 7th Jan 1964 in Antwerp and paid off on 24 June 1964 in Rotterdam after two voyages to West Africa, so we were probably shipmates for a while, I also sailed on several other Palm Line Ships between 1963 and 1969.

Hi father john, Joined the Badagry 27th Aug 64 but only for the turnaround, must have missed each other only by a few weeks. Wasn't on the Badagry again until March 65 for 2 trips. Other ships Lagos 65, Ibadan Jan 63 till May 64 and 66, last deep sea was Africa Jun 67. Various others until June 68 when I swallowed the anchor. Very happy days with great memories.

Regards
Russ K (Thumb)

father john
9th July 2009, 12:57
Hi Russken40, yes looks like we just missed each other. I joined Palm Line in April 1963 and sailed deep sea on Bamenda, Badagry, Niger, Ilorin, and Kano Palm, relieved on several others, have some great memories of interesting, voyages, places and people. I left Palm Line at the end of 1969 and moved to Australia where I still live.
Regards - father john.

Alan Rawlinson
21st December 2016, 16:49
Smart ships and good management in their heyday.

Palm Line ships ran in the UKWAL conference during my time with them in the 70's. Captain Gordon Williams was the super ashore, and together with Elders, NNSL,Black Star Line, and the interloper, Hoegh Lines, they together managed 19 sailings a month! It was a prodigious amount of export cargo which later found its way quietly into containers on French or foreign flag ships. What a sad story.

In my conference role I spent many happy hours onboard the Palm vessels both in U.K. ports, and on the West African coast, and have fond memories of that time. Some anecdotes are included in my ebook called " Any Budding Sailors." which is mainly about my Bank Line days and subsequent career.
Cheers/Alan Rawlinson
website. bankline.wordpress.com

slick
22nd December 2016, 07:31
All,
I too was on the Badagry as 4th. Mate 63 -64 Captain Everall, a gentleman, my whole time with Palm Line was of still pleasant memories and great shipmates remembered....

Yours aye,
slick

tom roberts
22nd December 2016, 10:45
I sailed on two Palm Line ships ,as a j.o.s on the Opobo Palm 4 4 1955 one trip ,and as an a.b. On the Badagary Palm as an e.d.h. I think it was her second voyage,this was on in September 1957 paid of 28 November 57.i have posted my experiences of both trips before but the Badagary and its bosun and the old man I suppose they are both now long gone and I will not talk ill of them,never so glad to pay off a ship,never went on any more Palm Line ships.

Erimus
22nd December 2016, 13:17
One nobody seems to have mentioned..Takoradi Palm, Middlesbrough Dents Wharf,1959, smelt of new paint to me as a Junior Agent with Constantines.

Would the Supercargo be Captain McMaster???
Long time ago now...

Geoff

Howard S
26th May 2017, 04:31
Mike Scott with palm line for 10yrs in the seventies.
Recently contacted Garry on this sight, and Bob Stenhouse via talking to someone on this site.
Unfortunately the site collapsed a few day back and some info was lost.
Come on guys lets get this started.
Mike

Hi Mike;
Let us connect on Facebook. The page is called;

''Palm Line Limited, United Africa Co."

Regards,

Howard Spittle relaxing in Jamaica

Howard S
26th May 2017, 04:33
Smart ships and good management in their heyday.

Palm Line ships ran in the UKWAL conference during my time with them in the 70's. Captain Gordon Williams was the super ashore, and together with Elders, NNSL,Black Star Line, and the interloper, Hoegh Lines, they together managed 19 sailings a month! It was a prodigious amount of export cargo which later found its way quietly into containers on French or foreign flag ships. What a sad story.

In my conference role I spent many happy hours onboard the Palm vessels both in U.K. ports, and on the West African coast, and have fond memories of that time. Some anecdotes are included in my ebook called " Any Budding Sailors." which is mainly about my Bank Line days and subsequent career.
Cheers/Alan Rawlinson
website. bankline.wordpress.com

This says it all Alan. Enjoyed your book on Kindle.
Regards, Howard

Alan Rawlinson
26th May 2017, 06:10
This says it all Alan. Enjoyed your book on Kindle.
Regards, Howard

Many thanks Howard

Will check out the Facebook pages you started.

Working on a new book here, titled " Tramp and Ferry Voyages" - Seafaring in the 50's and 60's. Out in the summer.

Best Rgds/Alan R

Howard S
29th May 2017, 17:05
Many thanks Howard

Will check out the Facebook pages you started.

Working on a new book here, titled " Tramp and Ferry Voyages" - Seafaring in the 50's and 60's. Out in the summer.

Best Rgds/Alan R

Will look for your new book in the summer. Let me know when it hits the streets, my email address is [email protected]

Please join our Facebook page "Palm Line Limited, United Africa Co.".

"The "Elder Dempster Lines of Liverpool" Facebook page is very good too and "Blue Funnel for Old Timers". I spent time in all three! Then one day "they" decided a Merchant Navy was no longer necessary.......still it was a great fourteen years albeit rather hard on the liver!

Erimus
29th May 2017, 17:45
In 1958 I started my maritime training as Junior Shipping Clerk at Constantines Middlesbrough HQ....one of my earliest memories was of the Takoradi Palm, no way a new vessel but one of the smartest ships paintwise I ever visited as an agent. We employed a cargo canvasser who looked after Saguenay Shipping and Palm Line marketing and we all had Palm Line Funnel ashtrays.....

My connections with the Line then disappeared for many many years until I became involved in the cocoa bean trade on the Tees.

geoff

Howard S
30th May 2017, 01:30
In 1958 I started my maritime training as Junior Shipping Clerk at Constantines Middlesbrough HQ....one of my earliest memories was of the Takoradi Palm, no way a new vessel but one of the smartest ships paintwise I ever visited as an agent. We employed a cargo canvasser who looked after Saguenay Shipping and Palm Line marketing and we all had Palm Line Funnel ashtrays.....

My connections with the Line then disappeared for many many years until I became involved in the cocoa bean trade on the Tees.

geoff
Now you are going back! Will add her to our Facebook page "Palm Line Limited, United Africa Co". Feel free to join.

Engine Serang
30th May 2017, 10:59
As a seagoing wallah I always thought a shipping agent's job as sort of boring and a bit mundane, how wrong I was. Little did I know of the secret world of dealing with the cocoa bean trade on the Tees, exotic is the only word for it. if the truth be known I'm more than a little jealous.

Erimus
30th May 2017, 16:34
As a seagoing wallah I always thought a shipping agent's job as sort of boring and a bit mundane, how wrong I was. Little did I know of the secret world of dealing with the cocoa bean trade on the Tees, exotic is the only word for it. if the truth be known I'm more than a little jealous.

Is there a hole in your mouth where the tongue in cheek goes amigo??

Last Palm Line vessel I boarded was the old Enugu Palm...long gone now.

geoff

tom roberts
30th May 2017, 16:41
Does anyone remember a bosun from Chester I don't know his surname but his first name was Maurice he married a landlady who had the Eagle pub in Chester he eventually moved to Ruthin and ran the conservative club,Alice his wife went on a trip down the coast with him.

China hand
30th May 2017, 18:48
I saw the Badagry Palm being launched in Sunderland. People, chains, rust chips flying, proper old fashioned ship launch. Smashing experience. Was it 1979? I was "floating out" Bank boats up river at Pallion.

Erimus
30th May 2017, 19:25
It was 1979,yes.

geoff

lakercapt
30th May 2017, 21:44
Sailed with Capt. Williams when he was chief officer and still remember how good he was as a shipmate after J.K Think he reached a high position before they went under.

barrypriddis
30th May 2017, 21:50
If memory serves me right, Captain Williams became marine superintendent and then Chairman of Palm Line. A man who commanded respect.

Alan Rawlinson
31st May 2017, 06:52
Had dealings with Gordon Williams in the 70's when he was marine super and Palm Line was a key member of the UKWAL service. He was always helpful and quietly efficient. The spirit in Palm Line always struck me as very good, and the ships were smart, but ashore the strategy and policy etc was overshadowed and dominated by big brother Unilever who made all the life and death decisions.

Engine Serang
31st May 2017, 08:01
Being called,"Amigo", by Erimus is akin to being called a ,"Bad Hombre", by Donald Trump. We're in the doghouse.

Erimus
31st May 2017, 10:45
Being called,"Amigo", by Erimus is akin to being called a ,"Bad Hombre", by Donald Trump. We're in the doghouse.

Not at all......I tend to use that expression when I don't personally know people....better than Mate (especially on a Marine Forum!)..or chum,which sounds like dog food....

geoff

slick
31st May 2017, 11:54
All,
I joined Palm Line, the Badagry Palm in early 1963, from the Hain SS Co, the MNAOA helped.
What a difference I was treated as a worthwhile employee, the friendliness of the personnel on the ship and ashore was remarkable.
The Badagry Palm in spite of the heavy nature of her WA trade was looked after and always struck me as cared for.
All in all a superb experience.
Yours aye,
slick

Stag
31st May 2017, 16:06
My first trip to sea following 16 months at the Indefat May 1961.
I remember being on the wheel in the throws of obtaining my steering ticket.The wheel was half moon with a gyro.
One night on the 4-8 I was struggling to keep on course and did not realise my watch mate was holding onto the repeat wheel above on the monkey island.Nothing to say when they called me the 10 degree wonder!!
Regards to all
MIke R751066

tom roberts
1st June 2017, 20:46
Re the bosuns surname it was Shaw, Maurice Shaw from Chester his wife's name was Alice I know she did a trip with him.