Alex Edgecombe

George E
27th March 2018, 11:48
I am seeking to find out more about my father's career at sea. He sailed out of ports in the North East mainly on colliers.
He was on coastal convoys during WW2, and afterwards continued with some deep sea activity.
His latter years were mainly with Wm Cory colliers (1950 to 1965).

Roger Griffiths
27th March 2018, 13:19
I am seeking to find out more about my father's career at sea. He sailed out of ports in the North East mainly on colliers.
He was on coastal convoys during WW2, and afterwards continued with some deep sea activity.
His latter years were mainly with Wm Cory colliers (1950 to 1965).

Hello and welcome,
Was your father born 18/10/1909 in South Shields?
If not could you give us your dads full name, date and place of birth.

regards
Roger

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28th March 2018, 04:25
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George E
28th March 2018, 22:00
His full name was :- Alexander Cummings Edgecombe.
I do not know his home address in South Shields, but he was certainly born there on your date.
His married address was 323, Ryhope Road, Sunderland

Roger Griffiths
29th March 2018, 11:41
Hello again,
This appears to be your dad.

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C8141549

This would be his "Seamans Pouch"

These records relate to individual seamen filed together in a pouch. These documents may include application forms (most with a photograph of the seaman), certificates, identity cards, cessation documents and notifications of death.
The contents of any particular pouch, however, may cover any period starting after 1913 and ending up to c2002. When seamen were discharged some or all of their documents (including the index cards) were placed in the pouches and these include discharges of seamen who were originally registered in the Central Index Register of 1913 to 1941.
What you are really looking for is his Form CRS10

A standard form (CRS 10) the service of individual merchant seamen and lists the ships on which they served with relevant dates.

The CRS 10s give personal details of each seaman; the front page of the service entries includes:

name;
date of birth;
place of birth;
discharge A number;
rank or rating, with relevant certificate details;
details of any other qualifications;
date CRS 10 first page was created;
British Seamen's Identity Card Notations. The entries refer to correspondence and issuing of cards, certificates, applications etc. The originals in general do not survive except where they have been filed in the seaman's pouch.


This series contains Fifth Register of Merchant Seaman's Service (CRS 10 forms).

The Fifth Register records on a standard form (CRS 10) the service of individual merchant seamen and lists the ships on which they served with relevant dates.

The CRS 10s give personal details of each seaman; the front page of the service entries includes:

name;
date of birth;
place of birth;
discharge A number;
rank or rating, with relevant certificate details;
details of any other qualifications;
date CRS 10 first page was created;
British Seamen's Identity Card Notations. The entries refer to correspondence and issuing of cards, certificates, applications etc. The originals in general do not survive except where they have been filed in the seaman's pouch.

The continuation pages show:

A list of ships and their official numbers with date and place of engagement;
rank or rating;
F or H (for Foreign or Home trade voyage);
date and place of discharge from the ship;
character grade;
National Insurance contribution code;
Registry clerk's initials and date of the entry;
when ashore the sheet may bear the entry MNRP (Merchant Navy Reserve Pool) with date and place.

This information about service was extracted from ship's logs and crew agreements lodged by ship owners. The information contained in the register is used to verify entitlement to wartime service medals.

The Fifth Register was maintained in a number of parts or sub-series, only two are of relevance.

Part 1: European origin mainly : covering mainly Europeans and mainly the period from 1941 to approximately 1946, although some late 1940s and 1950s records can also be found. Pieces BT 382/1-2022 and BT 382/3289.

Part 2: European origin mainly: covering mainly Europeans and mainly the period from 1946 to 1972., although some records covering the Second World War period can also be found. From piece BT 382/2023.
Your Fathers CRS10 should be here
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_cr=bt382%2F2311&_dss=range&_ro=any&_st=advhttp://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_cr=bt382%2F2311&_dss=range&_ro=any&_st=adv
If not here
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_cr=bt382%2F529&_dss=range&_ro=any&_st=adv

You cannot view thse records online and for anumber of reasons, ideally you need to visit Kew to get hold of copies.
CRS10's are stored alphabeticaly in blocks of 60 names and there is a protocol that you need to follow. Don't worry about this as TNA staff will help you find your dads records.

I note that he did not claim medals. Once you have his Seamans pouch and CRS10, you can claim them on his behalf.

Before getting on the road to Kew, it seems that TNA are taking a more liberal stance when it comes to CRS10's. See Bens post 17
https://www.shipsnostalgia.com/showthread.php?p=2844146#post2844146.
It may be worth trying this course of action first. Be sure to give your dads full name and very important his Discharge A number
regards Roger