Booth Line

frank fawl
11th December 2005, 14:43
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Maurice Grant
2nd September 2006, 02:12
I'm Maurice Grant and my first Second Engineers job was on the Dominic in 1954? and we had a couple of trips up to Iquitos one at low river where we took a fortnight from Manaus. Did you go up as far as that? Would be interested to correspond

R58484956
2nd September 2006, 10:36
Welcome onboard Maurice to the site, enjoy it, we do. You are now amongst the sea/ship loving fraternity, most of us left years ago but our minds are still there.

frank fawl
10th September 2006, 21:07
Hi Maurice,
I had given up hope of hearing from any other Booth Line seagoers
and had not tuned into the "ships nostalgia" site for some time.Sorry to keep you waiting such a long time for a reply.
I joined the "Dominic" as R/O in 1970 and sailed with her on and off for 4 great years. Never got as far as Iquitos
but spent great times on the Amazon from Belem to Manaus.
I left the sea in 1979 and now work for the Irish Aviation Authority where 3 or 4 other
Booth Line ex r/os also work.
We still remeniss about the good old days with
Maggies and all agree they were the best days of our lives.
Were you on the first trip when Booths took over the Dominic from the Danes? what was yr first trip on her? Do u remember
any of the names of those who sailed with u? Looking forward to hearing from u
and I wont miss out any posts from now on at the site

frank fawl

duquesa
10th September 2006, 22:26
Hi there - surprised someone didn't pick up on my comment (Best Watering Holes) about that shack in the jungle behind Manaus!! Me - ex Booth America - long time up the river - many strange memories - MV. Viajero.

jonog
2nd November 2006, 18:16
I sailed in the Boniface and the Benedict in 1983. Belem was unbelievable. 24 hour party town par excellence. Obidos upriver was very odd. Went ashore with some guys who were poisoned by 'high wine' wood alchohol mixed with Bacardi. Manaus was even better than Belem, especially The Cathedral club, built in the crypt of the ruins of the burnt out cathedral. What went on there was definitely NOT in the Book of Common Prayer!!!

duquesa
2nd November 2006, 18:28
Six weeks from Belem to Iquitos - aground three times, one of them for ten days. Lost two propellors. Happy days. Drank a lot of Budweiser and Slitz!! Before the time of radar. Expect it's very different now - no cruise ships up there then.

Dick S
22nd November 2007, 20:38
Hi,
Only did 1 trip with Booths in 1971 as 3/0 on the BONIFACE(ex ROSSETTI)my 1st trip as 3/0. great trip and great people. It was the trip after she had a mishap with the Brazilian gunboat and ended up in drydock in Belem. Can not remeber any names but I can remember the experience.
Sorry for the delay but only just found this sight

Dick S

Santos
22nd November 2007, 21:11
Hi Guys,

I was up in Manaus in 1960s on the L+H Sheridan. Along with our sister ship Spencer we ran between New York, West Indies and Manaus and St lawrence in the summer months, you may remember us.

Met quite a few Booth ships up there and in the Amazon and our two ships were later transfered to Booth Line as the Cyril and Cuthbert. I also sailed on the Rubens, which became the Bernard, and sailed on her again when she came back to L+H as the Rossini.

Chris.

Bruce F
27th June 2008, 04:34
I sailed on the S.S. Denis to Brazil and up the Amazon in April, 1951. A lovely shipping line. Had a lot of fun and gained a lot of EXPERIENCE!

Barmyclaresdad
30th June 2008, 11:03
Sailed as R/O on Basil in 1960's. Came back to join her in Hull after weekend ashore to find Customs rummage squads all over the vessel. They had found quite a hoard. We then took her round to the Blackwater for lay-up. (After we had all spent time with paint brushes making sure everything was spic and span)

billyt
30th June 2008, 17:13
Hi,
Only did 1 trip with Booths in 1971 as 3/0 on the BONIFACE(ex ROSSETTI)my 1st trip as 3/0. great trip and great people. It was the trip after she had a mishap with the Brazilian gunboat and ended up in drydock in Belem. Can not remeber any names but I can remember the experience.
Sorry for the delay but only just found this sight

Dick S

hi i did one trip on the Boniface as galley boy 1965 it was a good trip till we got
to Barbados lost two crew by drowning. they said it was jinksed because she
had canged her name cant remember what she was called?.was it the same
ship you sailed on??

billyt

billyt
31st December 2008, 21:30
are there any ex Boniface crew from 1965 when we done all the west indies,
they will remember because it was a sad end to a good trip when the two A/B's
Eddie Lennon, and Lenny Bean Drowned in Barbados at the back of the New York bar. I was the galley boy and the cook was a colored feller from Liverpool
Charley??????/ would like to here from any one.

Billyt

trotterdotpom
1st January 2009, 05:42
Anyone remember Chief Stewards Fred Archer and Sam Murtagh, both ex Booth Line?

John T.

sparky1
13th September 2009, 19:00
I was r/o on cuthbert nov 71 to jan 73, joined in NY did 4 trips upto Iquitos, best trip I ever did, several scouse officers Yogi & red engineers (4th eng pictured on the cuthbert pic seen on google at sale but cant remember his name. but he did take well to the pet pig ' georgeV). Elec jim (remember him setting fire to his bunk) 2nd mate ex china service, several skippers last one a taffy, big bearded mate from devon area, ch stwd also scouser, ch eng geordie who marred a WI girl and lived in trinidat -never had so much shore time

Tatums
5th April 2010, 20:10
Hi ,

My father was on the "Dunstan" back in the 50s, just wondering if anyone else did a trip on her, my father to this day has a lovely photo of her on his hallway wall along with other ship photos he worked on.My Father has loads of good stories, but unfortunately cannot navigate a computer yet, I am trying to persuade him to get a pc and join this fantasic forum.

regards
Phill

billyt
8th August 2011, 19:52
Hi, has anybody got any photos of the Boniface at sea or in dock
would like to see her again.
thank's

nautibuoy42
8th August 2011, 20:32
Look on the Blue Star Line web site, some pics of her there.

Keith Pengelly
9th August 2011, 17:05
Anyone remember Chief Stewards Fred Archer and Sam Murtagh, both ex Booth Line?

John T.

Ch/Stwd Sam Murtagh was around in P&O GCD in the mid 70's. I seem to remember his wife was spanish and he lived in Spain. He was also a really superb ballroom dancer a great asset on a run ashore in Belem!!

billyt
12th September 2011, 09:35
Look on the Blue Star Line web site, some pics of her there.
Thanks for that,I found photos of the Boniface she looks so different to what I remember. Thanks again.Billyt.

R58484956
12th September 2011, 12:44
Sailed with a Booth Line engineer JET Mason who spoke highly of the company and told me about the opera house in Manaus. Years later I managed to get to see it on holiday there. The only place where I have seen hearses with a blue flashing light on, possibly in a rush to get to heaven.

alan ward
12th October 2011, 15:15
My Old Man,Ted Ward,did a trip or two with Booths on the Samyale in the late 40`s and I`ve still got his buttons and hsi cap badge around somewhere.

southern cross
30th November 2011, 20:53
I will have a look I have a couple of the Boniface navigating the Amazon and a couple alongside in Barbados, ha ha the parky bar Belem 'classic'

trotterdotpom
30th November 2011, 21:32
Ch/Stwd Sam Murtagh was around in P&O GCD in the mid 70's. I seem to remember his wife was spanish and he lived in Spain. He was also a really superb ballroom dancer a great asset on a run ashore in Belem!!

Just read your post, Keith. Think we may be talking about different Sams -mine was with LOF throughout the '70s and was from Liverpool. Another good bloke though.

John T

David Lorimer
5th February 2012, 05:31
Anyone have background on this vessel? Or on Lloyd Hughes and the heoirc gang that took her from Galveston to Iquitos? I have a story to tell...

Tony Shaw
9th February 2012, 13:33
When serving on Harrison's "Novelist" quite a few years ago we obtained a Booth Line charter and loaded the usual 'mahogany, brazil nuts and coir at Belem and some villages along a tributary of the Amazon,one place name translating into The Isle of the Crocodile ! Never saw any though !

duquesa
9th February 2012, 14:31
Like - "Ilha do Crocodilo" ?

Tony Shaw
10th February 2012, 17:21
The very same !

Caffj
13th February 2012, 23:35
.I worked for Maggie Booth back in the early 1960's
Worked as 3rd then 2nd Mate on the Crispin. Also sailed on the Basil
from Dec 61 to Aug 62(laid her up in the river Blackwater).
Also served on the Denis. Only went up to Iquitos once that was
on the Crispin. Fond memories of the Booth Line.

Bob Hay
18th February 2012, 04:54
Great site this. Started as Junior Engineer on Rubens in 57, then over the years up till 64 on Raeburn(Colorado Star), Devis, Delius,Viajero, Raphael,Basil,Valiente,Dryden, Boniface.
A mixture of Booth and L+H boats.

Caffj
18th February 2012, 16:36
Hi Bob,
Nice to hear from you.
What year were you on the Basil?
Were you ever on the Denis.?
Maggie Booth let me take a one way ride out on the Denis
from Liverpool to Fortaleza (Oct 1962) as 3rd Mate where I
signed off to marry my Brazilian beauty. Now contently married
to her for 50 years.

Caffj

duquesa
18th February 2012, 18:21
"Great site this. Started as Junior Engineer on Rubens in 57, then over the years up till 64 on Raeburn(Colorado Star), Devis, Delius,Viajero, Raphael,Basil,Valiente,Dryden, Boniface.
A mixture of Booth and L+H boats."

Bob, do you recall when you were on the Viajero? Was Polish Stan Chief there then?

Graham Holden
18th February 2012, 19:28
Served as 2nd Mate on "Veras" 64 and 65. 5 trips from New York/Montreal to Brazil including 3 to Iquitos. Fantastic ship and a good crowd. Brazilian crew. Enjoyed every minute. George Potts was Master, Guy Guerandel was Mate and Mike Locke 3rd Mate. No radar on board so on the east coast of USA in fog we would drop anchor and wait for vis to improve! We used to tow a loaded barge alongside from Manaus to Iquitos at low river season. Happy days.

duquesa
18th February 2012, 21:52
I thoroughly enjoyed serving under George Potts.

Bob Hay
20th February 2012, 00:18
Hi Duquesa and Caffj, these are the times I was on Booth boats.
Viajero April 59- April 60 as 4th Engineer
Basil Dec 60- Feb 61 as 3rd
Valiente Oct 61 -June 63 as 2nd
Boniface Nov 64 -Dec 64 as 2nd.
Yes I remember old Stan Witkowski well. Bit temperamental at times but otherwise great Chief to work under. Had some amusing twists of the tongue with his English into the bargain.(LOL)
without a doubt those trips to Brazil and Peru were the best times of my life like yourselves.

Caffj
20th February 2012, 14:46
Hello Bob Hay(Eng) & Barmyclaresdad(RO) ex Booth Line .
Bob you were on the Basil before I was. However notice you sailed on the
Boniface. Was the Capt. Norman Sharpe?
Barmyclaresdad: You must have been on the Basil same time as me. I was on
her as 3rd Officer when we took her up the river Blackwater for lay up. Caffj.

duquesa
20th February 2012, 16:39
Hi Bob, you were on Viajero before me in that case. I also served under Norman Sharpe as mentioned above (he actually relieved Potts). I found him fine as well. Smith was another Master I recall but forget his first name. All good blokes in Booths.

will.
20th February 2012, 17:51
My last trip as deck cadet was on the Benedict in 1984.An amazing time was had by all !. Went up to Manaus, then on the way down river the Rudder stock parted from the Rudder, so I had to endure a whole month alongside in Belem !,my God I had a good time !!. Belem seemed to me to be in a permanent carnival mode.

duquesa
20th February 2012, 23:23
Yep, Belem! I seem to remember seeing quite a lot of it in the early morning through very blood shot eyes.
It was one of those places where I spent very few nights in "my" bunk!

Bob Hay
21st February 2012, 00:20
Just looking at my discharge book and found I was on the Boniface for only a few weeks bringing her round from Rotterdam to Liverpool Nov/Dec 64.

Any you blokes remember an incident in Belem involving us ( sure it was Valiente) and the Veloz or Venimos. this isn't imaginary stuff. Some of the guys on the other boat had bought some guns and ammunition in the States for them to sell in Manaus, but at the last minute they found out they were not going up to Manaus after all.
So in the spirit of goodwill (and the chance of an extra quid in it for us !!!) we generously offered to take them up for them and hurriedly got them transferred as quickly and quietly as possible before we all went up the road for Belem's nocturnal attractions.
Someone however had seen us and the next morning very early all our doors were crashed open by a squad of Marines and the goods pulled out of the dunnage hatch where we'd stowed them and us in front of them. This was serious stuff.
I can't explain how we got off but the other boat was impounded and had to wait for the British Consul to come up from Rio or somewhere to handle it. (This was all at the time when Castro's influence was spreading from Cuba).
On the way up to Manaus and Iquitos I seriously considered jumping ship, but returning to Belem a few weeks later found it had all blown over. Probably a few cartons of Pall Mall and whisky changed hands.

Barmyclaresdad
21st February 2012, 16:21
Hi, I was R/O on the Basil when she went to the Blackwater at the end of the trip. I remember spending time painting the radio room and also the customs found a load of drugs when she was docked in Hull before the lay-up

country boy
29th March 2012, 21:34
hello Billyt. I sailed on the boniface about 1964? my first trip as 2nd cook & baker.The cooks name was charlie jones,a good bloke,he got up to all the tricks.

Leratty
6th August 2012, 14:01
Barmyclaresdad, I made a poor decision not to sign on with the Booth Line ship called Basil for a trip up the Amazon, something I still regret to this day a seriously missed opportunity. I took a CPR ship called Beaver Ash up the Gt Lakes, great trip but hey still regret Basil. This was I think in 1964/5? There was Hebrides Islander called ..Hector McPhail (spelling) on deck I believe? Is there anyone out there who went up the Amazon on that trip, or any trip up the Amazon on her? I am sure it would have been a terrific trip. Does anyone have a picture of her? I recall she was at St Catherines dock?

A.D.FROST
6th August 2012, 15:14
Anyone have background on this vessel? Or on Lloyd Hughes and the heoirc gang that took her from Galveston to Iquitos? I have a story to tell...

SIDDONS'52(L+H)r/n RUBENS 1955,r/n BERNARD (Booth)1965,r/n ROSSINI (L+H)) 1967,r/n BERNARD(Booth),r/n BERWELL ADVENTURE(Sopac Bulk Carriers)(Booth charter)(Overseas Marine Corp.)r/n AL TURAB(Kelsey Bay Shg.)1974,b/u 1978 Gadani Beach.(K)

ysgolfach
19th August 2012, 10:03
Joined the RMS Hubert as Assistant Purser at Princess Dock in November 1962, served onboard until transferred to Austasia Line as Malaysia.
Captain was Commodore Jackson Wayman, Purser was Alfie Boyce and see to remember that the Chief Engineer was Sam Inch.

Foca
26th August 2012, 16:23
I was r/o on cuthbert nov 71 to jan 73, joined in NY did 4 trips upto Iquitos, best trip I ever did, several scouse officers Yogi & red engineers (4th eng pictured on the cuthbert pic seen on google at sale but cant remember his name. but he did take well to the pet pig ' georgeV). Elec jim (remember him setting fire to his bunk) 2nd mate ex china service, several skippers last one a taffy, big bearded mate from devon area, ch stwd also scouser, ch eng geordie who marred a WI girl and lived in trinidat -never had so much shore time

"The last one a Taffy"..that's me Lloyd Hughes. I remember you and all those girl friends you had in Manaus!!!! The mate was called Martin he had a nasty motor bike accident later, which left him in a bad way.
Nice chap "Gentle Giant". Chief Steward was called Willy, otherwise known as "One Egg Willy"...2nd Mate Tom Morgan(The Welsh Yank) and on the last trip I did I think the Third Mate was an Egyptian guy called Nadir.

Foca
26th August 2012, 20:09
hello Billyt. I sailed on the Boniface about 1964? my first trip as 2nd cook & baker.The cooks name was charlie jones,a good bloke,he got up to all the tricks.
Hi Billyt. I was 2nd Mate on the "Boniface" right through 1964,Lloyd Hughes. Captain John Stoker and Mackereth were Masters, we had various Mates Ned St Roas, George Potts and a few others I cannot remember.....Third Mate was Dave Rowan and one of the Cadets was John Atkins. Happy ship great bunch of shipmates. Joined the "Dunstan" in Antwerp on Boxing Day 1964 and it trip up to Iquitos back to New York, hence back to Iquitos before sailing back to Liverpool, nearly eight months in all. Skippers were Philip Baxter and Humphreys (known as Jacare). Not sure who the cook was on the "Boniface" but I remember one getting the sack after a special lunch, and the other cook I remember made a fantastic rum punch.

hugdavliv
27th August 2012, 15:01
My late father Owen Hughes, was a chief engineer with Booths in the mid 60's and sailed all the way up to Iquitos. I rembember dad talking about a Polish 1st mate, who had been in the RAF. I did recall dad talked about a Chief Steaward called Fred. There was also a skipper called Sharp, Sharp by name, Sharp by nature. He never allowed the chief stewards to make any money on the sideand ran a very tight ship. Going up the Amazon made a huge impression on dad. Pier number no1 in Brooklyn, where Booths sailed from, is now a public park, Was in New York a few years ago, was very moving being near to where dad used to sail from. Starling Press have a book on Captain Humphreys, time with Booth's, gives a very good insight into the life and times of the company. Dad also used to look up a retired Welsh skipper, in Manaus.

duquesa
27th August 2012, 22:14
I sailed with Sharp for a while. He was a tad stern but OK really. Can't believe they turned that damned jetty in Brooklyn into a park. There was a diner across the street that sold the most amazing Turkey Heroes.

Foca
28th August 2012, 07:07
Hi duquesa ...Yes Pier 1 is a Park now for sure, nearly all the berths on the Brooklyn side have gone..........but them turkey heroes were something else, making my mouth water just thinking about them.
Remember the heat coming into New York in the summer....and sitting on the boat deck of the "Veras" at night drinking Shlitz and eating "Turkey Heroes", not forgetting the dill pickles.
I never sailed with Sharp(Macaco Branco), but I relieved him a few times.
Hi hugdavliv ...I sailed with your Dad in 1966 on the "Veras" when I was Mate..I think he did 2 trips with us Ned St Roas was Captain. If I remember right one of the trips was when we towed to "Dennis" of the bank off Portel, we all got a nice bit of salvage for that.
I cannot remember a Polish 1st Mate but I sailed with a Polish Chief Engineer Stan Witouski, you was a real character as were most of the crews you sailed with Booths. There was an old Welsh Skipper who lived in Belem that used to work for the old Iquitos Steamship Co., cannot remember his name.
Most of the old Chief Stewards I knew have passed away now Alfie Boyce, Jimmy Spears and Billy Deary all good shipmates.
Just heard that Eric Bentley(CriCri) at Booth line who ran a shipping agency with his sons in Manaus passed away a few years ago.
Anybody remember Pinky Webster?

duquesa
28th August 2012, 07:30
I hadn't very long with Sharp. More with Potts and Baxter. A strange Geordie mate called Horsley Magnay. Booth line fella in the Amazon called Ted Avery from Liverpool and his delightfully sexy wife. Capt Humphreys I recall in NY as super I think. And yes, the Shlitz and Pabst beers. Great company.

Foca
28th August 2012, 07:59
I sailed with Magnay as 2nd mate on the "Dunstan"....the word strange does describe him, he always used to wear stinking trainers. The lifeboats on the "Dunstan" leaked something awful, so Magnay got chippy to re caulk them...when we arrived Liverpool Magnay reported that the boats were in tip top condition, I was on leave but I believe the boats were lowered for a test in Queens dock..I think the shore gang just managed to get the hooks back on before they sank. Never heard about him after that.
Forgot to mention Ted Avery and the wife you describe was called Iris, He left Belem and the last time I heard about him was we was working with Manchester Liners...he was glassed in the face in Manchester when he went to break up a fight...I like Ted and Iris real nice couple.
No Humphreys(Jacare) was never a super in New York, maybe you got mixed up with Hunter you was super there. Captain Humphreys met and married a Polish Countess who was a passenger on an Amazon Cruise...just left his wife and children of God knows how many years, mind you money talks. The Countess bought him a full Square Rigged Barque which he kept berthed in Castries,St Lucia which was supposed to run charter work in the West Indies but never got off the ground. Funny thing really is that the day he was sacked for all his shenanigans, I passed him in the office on the way to be promoted to my first command.

duquesa
28th August 2012, 11:44
Hunter was the chap. Grey cells are going. Iris Avery was a great sport. They travelled with us on the river once and we had some unforgettable parties on that boat deck. We went swimming at Portel where she insisted on riding around on my shoulders trying to knock everyone else under water. Almost drowned me! The experience was repeated by another "river female" - Victoria van Scherpenberg, whose father ran the timber outfit up at Santarem de Macapa. Ole!

Foca
29th August 2012, 14:25
I seem to remember old Von Scherpenberg and his daughters at the timber port on Santana Island opposite the Ore berth, later it was taken over by the Murphy Brothers who also ran other logging port just before the entrance to the narrows which the name of I cannot remember....which was run by a very good friend Otto and his wife Pat. It was a treat to load there, Otto would fly down to Belem in his Lake Sea Plane(First time I ever flew was in that) for a seven reeler film and we would all be invited up the the house Pat would make us steaks and apple pie like momma made, with a film in the jungle clearing after(Everyone from miles around came to watch). They always had a return invite to the ship the next day for lunch. I used to see them every trip as they retired to Wilmington N.C., Pat sadly died of cancer but Otto came over to Wales to see us in the early !989. Did you ever go to that place?

duquesa
29th August 2012, 14:51
Never met an Otto but I remember the Van Scherpenbergs well. Had some very pleasant, relaxed spells there on their garden by the river. The names of the other estuary logging stops (tied to trees) have been lost in time and it would take a bit of jogging to dislodge them. Like I said earlier, great times which I would hate to have missed. I

Caffj
23rd September 2012, 23:33
Hi duquesa,
Very surprised to hear Capt Norman Sharpe was a strict master.
I sailed with him on the Crispin and spent many a happy hour chatting to him
on the bridge wing during the voyages I served on her with him.
Maybe we got on well because we had both served our time on tramp ships and
came from the same city so we had much in common. I found him to be a very
good seaman and master.
Caffj

duquesa
24th September 2012, 08:27
Hi caffj, well it is a long time back and as I said, from memory only a "tad" stern. I really have nothing to complain about regarding any Booth Line officers I encountered. As a company in general, they were a pleasure to work with (IMHO!).(Pint)

Foca
24th September 2012, 08:43
Although I did not sail with Norman Sharpe, from what I heard I do not think duquesa "tad" stern is not far off the mark. Norman loved his beer, and the story goes he tried to defrost his fridge by pouring hot water in and closing the door...the fridge imploded...company were non too amused.

Mike Williamson
12th November 2012, 06:20
Folks, I love reading this forum - I didn't realize how many Maggie Boothers there are out there. I spent a great year on Viajero on the Amazon in 66/67 and before that on Devis on the Brazzie coast. If anyone has time, take a look at my posts at www.mike-williamson.blogspot.com.au I would love to hear from any of you. I'm trying to track a few of my old shipmates down, but so far no deal. I know a few of them like Frank Stinchcombe (The Saint) and John Cullimore are no longer with us - and I suspect that this is sadly true for a few more of 'em. If you like my posts - please leave a comment on the site - I'd love to hear from you - and keep the great posts coming.

duquesa
12th November 2012, 08:15
Hi Mike, as you will have noticed I too was on Viajero but a bit before your time so I'm no help with your shipmates. However, your blog and accounts are brilliant . So accurate and bring back many happy memories. I'll read all again when I've got some time off which happens to be not now! (Thumb) Thanks for posting.

Foca
13th November 2012, 10:41
Hi Mike...Just missed you on the "Viajero", I relieved John Needham in August 1967 for 12 months. Previous year I joined the "Veras" in Hamburg during the lengthening before sailing in February back to the Amazon service. John eventually married the girl he had been courting from Brooklyn, some of the "V" boats were laid up in Brooklyn for a while and I think John spent a lot of time there. I personally think we should think of having a reunion for all Booth Line river-men...it was an experience of a lifetime, I spent 15 years on the Amazon run before being moved to the Lamport South American run; which I enjoyed as well.

clockwork
14th November 2012, 15:26
Anyone have background on this vessel? Or on Lloyd Hughes and the heoirc gang that took her from Galveston to Iquitos? I have a story to tell...

Hi David, i am the only guy who sailed on the BERNARD and went with her when she became the BERWELL ADVENTURE as 2nd engineer.I was with her from beginning to end.It was me that ran the job.When i left to my knowledge she didn't sail again and was handed back to booths before they sold her on.It was an amazing experience and i have an equally amazing storey to tell.The address on my mail which i have kept all this time and i am looking at it now was OVERSEAS MARINE INCORPORATED,11BROADWAY NEW YORK, NEW YORK. The owners name whom i dealt with directley was BERT WELLSFORD.What else would you like to know.my email is:[email protected]

Leratty
14th November 2012, 16:48
MIke I just read your blog wonderful envious of your trips with Booth as I had the opportunity to do that on the Basil but took a Beaver boat instead for two trips, why I am not sure after all this time. But did do the Sth American trips with BSL B.A. Montevideo through the Magellan Straits to Valpo, Callao, Illo, etc & back a few times. So many stories, so many great shipmates if some even by those days a bit loopy (: Also did one trip on a BA Flyer. I have tried to get a picture of the Basil to no avail, my mate who did the trip said he had one but has not been able to locate it sadly & can find out zero on her via the net. Ironicly I wound up the jnr project manager of Illo's huge open cut copper mine as my first job out of London Uni where I went when I left the sea, small world huh? Richard

Foca
14th November 2012, 17:34
Hi David, i am the only guy who sailed on the BERNARD and went with her when she became the BERWELL ADVENTURE as 2nd engineer.I was with her from beginning to end.It was me that ran the job.When i left to my knowledge she didn't sail again and was handed back to booths before they sold her on.It was an amazing experience and i have an equally amazing storey to tell.The address on my mail which i have kept all this time and i am looking at it now was OVERSEAS MARINE INCORPORATED,11BROADWAY NEW YORK, NEW YORK. The owners name whom i dealt with directly was BERT WELLSFORD.What else would you like to know.my email is:[email protected]
I am afraid you have not got the full story....the "Berwell Adventure" was left to rot in Gulfport by Overseas Marine Inc, with over 2.5 Million Dollars of writs pinned to her wheelhouse window. The crew hand not been paid and left, leaving only a Greek mate who promoted himself to Captain and his belly dancer partner, who lived ashore: and a stowaway Costa Rican who could not leave the ship. When I flew out with a Chief Engineer the ship was rat infested, filthy as all the rooms were covered in soot from the fires the crew had been burning in their rooms to keep warm, the galley stoves likewise were buckled from being used as wood burners. Nothing in the Engine-room worked and the bilges were full of oily water up to the plates...hatches had been left open and the remains of the fertilizer that had been part loaded and then discharged had rusted all the hatches, none of the deck winches worked...I could go on and on but the ship was a complete mess. I found out how the Greek Captain could afford to live ashore, he and his girl friend had been coming aboard each day and taking cigarettes and spirits from the bond and flogging it ashore.....he certainly did not like it when I threw them both off the ship and changed the locks on the Bond.
Anyway to cut a long story short, after about 2 months we eventually got the ship fumigated, cleaned up, engines sorted etc and most of the crew joined.
We sailed as the "Berwell Adventure" under the British Flag to New Orleans,Houston, Galveston and Pensacola to load a complete oil rig for BP, oil pipes, DC8 caterpillars, cement,explosives and other oilfield material all destined for Iquitos Peru. On the return trip from Brazil we loaded a full cargo for Lisbon,Leixoes, Barry and Liverpool.
The trip took six months and during that time we earned enough in freight to pay off the writs and all our expenses..so that when the ship was sold in Liverpool she was debt free.
And for your information Overseas Marine Inc were never the owners of the "Berwell Adventure" but the charterers, anyway Booths got their money back so they were happy. So you see you were not the only guy who sailed on her as the "Berwell Adventure".....and I can tell you it was an adventure, but that is a story for another time.

Foca
14th November 2012, 17:43
Leratty, Hi
Picture of the "Basil" on the Blue Star site: I sailed on her as the "Dunstan". I was Master on the "Belloc" in 1980/81 on a Chilean National Line charter, we called in Illo a lot on our travels, really enjoyed that run from the Continent via Punta Arenas, Magellan Straits and the West Coast and sometimes coming down the other way round
Regards Lloyd.

http://bluestarline.org/booth/dunstan4.html

R58484956
15th November 2012, 15:54
Leratty, Goto http://www.photoship.co.uk Old ship galleries "B" page 8
wherethereis a photo of BASIL

Leratty
15th November 2012, 18:02
Hi Foca what an adventure, JC I was on the Warkworth a Dalglesh vessel & a bloody good looking ship too as well as a happy one. She was pretty new & she was seized by Le Sheriff akin Berwell Adventure. Writs all over the wheel house doors, it was in Three Rivers or Sorel Quebec around 64 I think? We had to anchor off in the mighty St Lawrence, still remember what we saw caught on the anchor cables in the morning (: What an amusing trip that was & much longer than expected too not that it worried me as I got to taste my very first pizza & enjoy the company of one or two French Canadian Damsel’s, oh la, la!
Yours sounded a lot worse but still I suggest amusing as well as an experience you would not have missed? Richard

Leratty
15th November 2012, 18:06
R58484956 JC sounds like a safe No (: anway thanks so much for that, a ripper site, have the photo along with some others I was seeking. Sincerly much appreciated. Richard

Leratty
15th November 2012, 18:14
Focca I was well out of Illo by then job done & dusted. Went from there to Jamaica as snr Project manager putting in a bauxite mine for Kaiser. The money was embarrassing for one in their early 20's, A/H 300 mk3 in Baltimore, nice apartment nice lady friends, money in the bank. No way that would have happened if I had stayed at sea ): I tell you the mining industry was easy as amusing as the sea on the WCSA, some truly memorable people who took life by the horns & shook it. The places we worked were often in a word different! Bloody good times as with those at sea, strong bonds between us all & still friends with quite a No around the world too. Richard

Mike Williamson
19th November 2012, 05:37
Hi Boothers and Laurel & Hardy fans, I've just posted my last and final chapter in my Viajero and Amazon saga. Not sure how to link it, but please check it out at http://mike-williamson.blogspot.com.au/2012/11/black-muddy-river-roll-on-forever.html. If you like it, please leave a comment. Matter of fact, if you don't like it, leave one as well - I can take it!
Thanks to Foca on the update on a couple of characters. Anyone wants to organise a reunion sometime, while we're all still kicking - let me know!
Keep that lantern swinging
Mike

duquesa
19th November 2012, 09:30
Another good one Mike, well done.(Applause)

michaeljordan
20th July 2013, 19:17
anyone remember jack Jordan chief steward I am his son

ysgolfach
20th July 2013, 22:45
I was the assistant purser onboard the Hubert for two years 1962 until 1964 when she was renamed.
Captain was Commodore Jackson Wayman, Purser was Alfie Boyce, seem to remember the Chief Engineer was Sam Inch.
The two years I had on the Hubert were the best years I ever spent at sea, I think that Jack Jordan was the Chief Steward.

michaeljordan
21st July 2013, 10:26
Thank very much for your last about jack Jordan.I am his son and I joined the royal navy

trotterdotpom
21st July 2013, 10:47
Ysgolfach, asked this before on this thread, but wondered if you ever knew Chief Stewards Sam Murtagh and Fred Archer from Booth Line. Both ended up in LOF.

John T

ysgolfach
21st July 2013, 13:44
John T,

I only served onboard the Hubert for two years and in that time I believe that Jack Jordan was the Chief Steward.
The Pursers dept was Alfie Boyce, Purser - Glyn Rowlands, Snr Asst Purser and myself as Junior Asst Purser, I joined at 18 years of age and left at 20. I had been transferred from Blue Star Line (Argentina Star) as the Hubert urgently required an Asst Purser.
I did have a nickname on the Huber which was "Freddie'.
I actually did one voyage with LOF on the London Valour and left around a week to 10 days prior to the disaster.

trotterdotpom
21st July 2013, 14:03
Thanks for that Ysgolfach. Think they both worked on the cargo ships, both great characters.

The "London Valour" tragedy was before my time with the company but it has come to mind lately with the Costa Concordia trials beginning. I met the 2nd Mate from the Valour, a Cardiff lad, and he was the "last man standing", so to speak, and, as far as the Italian authorities were concerned, it was down to him! Luckily he'd left the country by then, but he couldn't return to Italy because he'd have been thrown in prison. If more folk had died, the Italians would have worked their way down the crewlist to find someone to pin it on.

Thanks again and welcome to SN.

John T

michaeljordan
5th November 2013, 20:23
Joined the RMS Hubert as Assistant Purser at Princess Dock in November 1962, served onboard until transferred to Austasia Line as Malaysia.
Captain was Commodore Jackson Wayman, Purser was Alfie Boyce and see to remember that the Chief Engineer was Sam Inch.

Was the chief steward JACK JORDAN, I am his son

ysgolfach
5th November 2013, 22:20
Was the chief steward JACK JORDAN, I am his son

Yes, Jack Jordan was the Chief Steward. He was with us to the end of the 'Hubert' when she was renamed the Austasia on the Australia/Singapore run, this was towards the end of 1964.

sparky1
23rd November 2013, 16:26
"The last one a Taffy"..that's me Lloyd Hughes. I remember you and all those girl friends you had in Manaus!!!! The mate was called Martin he had a nasty motor bike accident later, which left him in a bad way.
Nice chap "Gentle Giant". Chief Steward was called Willy, otherwise known as "One Egg Willy"...2nd Mate Tom Morgan(The Welsh Yank) and on the last trip I did I think the Third Mate was an Egyptian guy called Nadir.

Less of the Manaus details please, havn't been here on this site for a while Skip. But fond memories of that trip, would loved to have stayed longer. Took a month or two to straighten out after leaving from New York in Jan 74. Did another couple of trips with Marconi then left for Buries Markes. After getting married, left the navy side and went to Portishead, saw the writing on the wall there and left in '84 worked for the government thereafter. The times on the Cuthbert and her bloody radar (I often remember being upto my ankles in water in the pump room back of the bridge working on live radar equipment) are way and above the best of my times in the Merch and yes I do have many many fond memories of those times - take care

Foca
11th February 2014, 09:41
Nice to hear from you......I too have many fond memories of the Amazon, more or less left in the early seventies and transferred to the Lamport and Holt run Rio, BA, Montevideo run, until we were taken over by Blue Star Ship Management.
Made redundant in 1982, Worked in the Gulf for a while, then a spell on the coast with Arklow Shipping until I took over command of the Research Vessel for UCNW and I was there till I retired in 1997.

rodrocket
15th February 2014, 20:46
.I worked for Maggie Booth back in the early 1960's
Worked as 3rd then 2nd Mate on the Crispin. Also sailed on the Basil
from Dec 61 to Aug 62(laid her up in the river Blackwater).
Also served on the Denis. Only went up to Iquitos once that was
on the Crispin. Fond memories of the Booth Line.
I worked my way up from apprentice to 2nd mate in maggie booths from 1957-1964. SS DENIS, MV VIGILANTE. MV VENEMOS & RMS HUBERT. any bodu out there on same ships same time would like to hook up. fond memories of all the logging ports up the mighty AMAZON Also good time in 'tank street' Belem

duquesa
15th February 2014, 22:40
I worked my way up from apprentice to 2nd mate in maggie booths from 1957-1964. SS DENIS, MV VIGILANTE. MV VENEMOS & RMS HUBERT. any bodu out there on same ships same time would like to hook up. fond memories of all the logging ports up the mighty AMAZON Also good time in 'tank street' Belem


Hi, as you will see from my earlier posts on this thread, same time approx but different ships. Same memories however. I didn't want to mention tank street!!!!

pete barlow.
8th March 2014, 16:04
Hi Trotterdotpom, I sailed with a fredie archer ch/twd on theSalamanca psnc I was his 2nd stwd nov 59 to june 60 couldit be the same, he was one hard man. I also made 3 trips on the Hilary up the amazon march54 to nov 54 catering
dept another happy ship, lots of tales nobody would believe Pete barlow

marinemec2004
8th March 2014, 16:37
Any of you M.Booth guys sail with my dad-Arthur Louis Halsall.
Dont know when , probably late 50's -from Liverpool -possibly galley boy
Dads passed away now, but remember Mum said he sailed with MB

trotterdotpom
8th March 2014, 21:19
Hi Trotterdotpom, I sailed with a fredie archer ch/twd on theSalamanca psnc I was his 2nd stwd nov 59 to june 60 couldit be the same, he was one hard man. I also made 3 trips on the Hilary up the amazon march54 to nov 54 catering
dept another happy ship, lots of tales nobody would believe Pete barlow

Thanks Pete. I'm sure that is the same Fred, he was a big time South America hand. I knew him in LOF in the '70s - a great bloke who had probably mellowed with age.

John T

marinemec2004
9th March 2014, 07:01
Phill,
Im trying to find out which vessel (s) my late Dad sailed on with M.Booths.
All I know is he "ran away" to sea -dont know when. Mum ( sadly passed away too) said he sailed up the Amazon. His name was Arthur Louis Halsall from Liverpool. He was very young -could have been a gallley hand .
Ask your Dad if he came across him please
Thanks
Roy Halsall.

My father was on the "Dunstan" back in the 50s, just wondering if anyone else did a trip on her, my father to this day has a lovely photo of her on his hallway wall along with other ship photos he worked on.My Father has loads of good stories, but unfortunately cannot navigate a computer yet, I am trying to persuade him to get a pc and join this fantasic forum.

regards
Phill[/QUOTE]

pete barlow.
17th March 2014, 16:24
Hi All you Maggie booths guys still waiting to hear from any one who sailed on the RMS Hilary I made three trips on her from 16 march 1954 till 24 November 1954 catering , great ship and great times. Peter Barlow.

sparky1
10th May 2014, 17:17
Lloyd Hughes, SkipperI sailed with on the Cuthbert 73, did 4 trips NY to Iquitos

tom roberts
11th May 2014, 19:55
Re the Booth Line last week I was watching an old Kojak episode and was surprised to see in the background of a dock scene the Clement a Booth boat,as the location is supposed to be New York can any one tell me where the Clement was docked

duquesa
11th May 2014, 23:05
Probably the old pier #1 just under Brooklyn Bridge.

duquesa
11th May 2014, 23:07
Probably the old pier #1 just downstream of Brooklyn Bridge.
Whoops - I think I've replied twice - sorry.

tom roberts
12th May 2014, 15:38
Probably the old pier #1 just downstream of Brooklyn Bridge.
Whoops - I think I've replied twice - sorry.

Thanks for the info Duquesa,ked the programme often shows dock scenes and I try to see where they are.I docked in New York a number of times and over in Newark and Perth Amboy and once in Bush Terminal Brooklin.I love the show it takes me back to the times there and I loved all the big American cars .

Foca
24th June 2014, 20:10
Well Tom you have certainly taken me back through the years......Summer 1976 to be exact.
The "Clement" and a few others "V" boats were laid up in Brooklyn for a while, not that I can remember the berth but it was somewhere down by the Brooklyn Army Terminal. I can remember all hands on the bridge wings watching the filming. I remember seeing the episode when I got home and you could just make out few heads on the bridge wings.
There was a road that ran parallel with the river were the locals used to use as a drag race track in the evenings. It was one of the hottest Summers I remember and the air pollution was pretty bad...certainly glad to get out at sea again.
By the 1970's the Booth operation had moved from Pier 1, Pier 2, Atlantic Basin and we ended up at a Mafia run berth close to Erie Basin, which I remember very well.
Some of the "V" boats were there for a long time with the crews going native.

hugdavliv
3rd December 2014, 13:48
Ch/Stwd Sam Murtagh was around in P&O GCD in the mid 70's. I seem to remember his wife was spanish and he lived in Spain. He was also a really superb ballroom dancer a great asset on a run ashore in Belem!!
My dad was a chief engineer with Booths, he has been dead for over 20 years, but used to talk about Fred. I think he ended up in Kuwait shipping? Bob Hughes

P.Arnold
26th July 2015, 17:40
just to 'trigger' memories
I was R/0 on the Valiente 68-69, she then changed name to Veloz about April 69 Panamanian flag. Did 4 trips NY to Iquitos.
Names I remember.
Captain J Needham, J Ogonowski
C/Mate E Bentley, C Evans
2/Mate T Morgan, H Johnson
3/Mate P Thompson, Bassim Balal.
C/Eng D Price
2/ Eng J Rutherford
3/Eng V Tiffin
4/Eng B Barnes
C/Stwd L Jones

Can remember those names, have to think really hard on the great grand kids.

No use getting older, if you can't remember what you did when you were younger.

Foca
26th July 2015, 18:18
Nice to hear you still have memories of the old Amazon, I think we were the lucky ones to have sailed Ocean Going Vessels up to Iquitos. Booth Line was taken over by the Blue Star Ship Management around 1975 and things were never the same again. I relieved John Needham a couple of times...he married an American girl from Brooklyn, seems to have dropped off the radar. Eric Bentley affectionately known as Cri Cri, married a Brazilian girl from Manaus and after Booth Brazil closed, opened a Shipping Agency in Manaus, which after his death a few years ago is now run by his sons. Sailed with Tommy Morgan and Lou Jones both great characters on the Amazon....Ogonowski was also a real character, don't know if you remember Ned St Roas he was Superintendent in Belem at around your time on the Amazon...sadly he has passed away.
Busy putting my memories down on paper at the moment...as you say memories of the past come flooding back...the more I write the more it seems I remember.
Nice to hear from you..good luck for the future.

Caffj
26th July 2015, 23:39
Does anyone remember Tom McCuthen? I might has spelt his surname wrong.
Anyway I sailed with Tom on the Crispin back in 1960,he was Chief Officer,
master was Captain Norman Sharpe. Last saw Tom in Late 1962 when he was
Chief Officer on the Hubert. I believe Tom finally got his own command but latter had a heart attack and I think had to give up his sea going career.
Great guy and a good shipmate. Another clue,he had a daughter called Liz and
wife called Molly. Couldn't believe he had a heart attack as he was a big/fit
strapping Scottish lad. Any news about him would be appreciated
Thanks. Caffj

Foca
27th July 2015, 19:52
Hi Caffj
The name you are after is Tom McCutcheon, I remember his wife and daughter very well, my family I visited them in their boarding house in Dunoon when we were camping up in Arrochar. He did get his command just before I did. I do not remember him getting a heart attack, but he left Booths in the late seventies if I remember right, families reasons; and joined the Dunoon/ Gourock Western Ferries, that's were he was working when we visited.
Tom was a great guy, we were once in Leixoes on different ships..we were invited to the British Club in Oporto by the Manager of Garland Laidley's, and certainly drank our fill of Vino do Porto. On the way back we called in one of the bars for a night cap..a good night was had by all.
Lost touch with Tom when I left Booths, and spent a few years working in the Gulf.
Just did a internet search and came up with this, which might interest you. Tom and Molly certainly look well.
http://forargyll.com/?p=75340

Caffj
28th July 2015, 15:30
Hi Foca,
Many thanks for you input regarding Tom McCutcheon. Your news very much
appreciated. Some one, some where told me Tom had a heart attack.
I couldn't believe it as he didn't smoke,(at least not when I sailed with him)
As I said he was a big strong good looking blond Scot and fit as a fiddle.
As I mentioned before he was also a nice guy and a good shipmate
Anyway great to have your input. I'll take a look at the web page you suggested
best regards,
Caffj

jimm3
29th July 2015, 15:09
[QUOTE=P.Arnold;1540970]just to 'trigger' memories
I was R/0 on the Valiente 68-69, she then changed name to Veloz about April 69 Panamanian flag. Did 4 trips NY to Iquitos.
Names I remember.
Captain J Needham, J Ogonowski
C/Mate E Bentley, C Evans
2/Mate T Morgan, H Johnson
3/Mate P Thompson, Bassim Balal.
C/Eng D Price
2/ Eng J Rutherford
3/Eng V Tiffin
4/Eng B Barnes
C/Stwd L Jones

Can remember those names, have to think really hard on the great grand kids.

No use getting older, if you can't remember what you did when you were younger.[/QUOTE

I was on the Veloz as 3rdeng with alan stevens, ogonowski, & barry barnes, tavares was the brazilian engine room ass.1965/66

jimm3
29th July 2015, 15:27
my memory must be playing tricks, I was on the Veloz when she was sold to the Peruvians and renamed the Atahualpa' I don't remember it being the Viajero.
I was on the Veloz with Alan Stevens(Wigan), Barry Barnes(preston) and ogonowski. 1965/66
it was a tremendous time, we listened to the world cup at anchor waiting to go into Belem, the times we had down the Rue general gajon doing our own importing!.

Foca
29th July 2015, 16:23
Last time I saw Alan Stevens was Iquitos in April 1973, he was the Engineer for the Booth Slipway at Nanay River....he was going out with a girl called Vicki. I was up there again in 74 and he had left and so had Pat Nichols, Garcia had taken over as British Consul. I really liked Alan he was a real gentleman and a Poet to-boot. I remember listening to the World Cup, I think we were on the way up to Iquitos, I was mate on the "Veras" then, Ned StRoas was Master. I remember the "Atahualpa" she did not last long on the service, Alan was Chief there with the Peruvians...I remember going over for some Cerviche(raw fish marinated in Lime Juice) not to my taste really.

Foca
5th August 2015, 18:42
Just been scanning some old transparencies, thought some might bring back memories.

duquesa
5th August 2015, 19:12
And how! Thanks.

Foca
5th August 2015, 19:33
Few More

P.Arnold
5th August 2015, 21:52
As the song goes "memories", brilliant.

Foca
9th August 2015, 16:46
Just been scanning some old slides..first one is Radio Officer, Nashir and Tommy Morgan, Martin Chief Officer and my missus, me and missus and my wife ,Nashir and Chief Engineer(Who came from Trinidad).. .you might be interested in these

Foca
9th August 2015, 16:51
Thought these might take you back. Pictures are of Alan and my wife at the Booth Slipway and the construction site of the new Iquitos International Airport...seems an awful long time ago

jimm3
10th August 2015, 15:52
Thought these might take you back. Pictures are of Alan and my wife at the Booth Slipway and the construction site of the new Iquitos International Airport...seems an awful long time ago

my goodness me thats Alan alright. I wonder where he is.

Caffj
5th September 2015, 23:24
To the Administrators.
Why when I log onto the site the top section of the Forum page
I have picked,(Booth Line) is full of Chinese writing?
The writing is in a large box section

Caffj
12th September 2015, 21:23
Hi Foca,
Can you tell me how to contact the moderators of this site?
I want to know why the heading of the web site is covered in either Chinese
or Korean writing. There is also another lot below my last post.
Could it be that my computer has been hacked?
Thanks,
Caffj

Ron Stringer
12th September 2015, 22:39
Have a look at this thread

https://www.shipsnostalgia.com/showthread.php?t=86538&highlight=Site+Adverts

To contact one of the on-duty moderators, click on the Forums tab and then scroll down a little way down the page to 'Users On Line' where you will see the Staff On Line' names. Click on any one name to send them a Private Message.

Alternatively, scroll to the very bottom of any page and use the 'Contact Us' facility.

Foca
13th September 2015, 14:43
Hi Caffj

Sorry not to have replied before, been a bit busy. I do not think that you have been hacked. If you are using Firefox, then try the following.

Many site issues can be caused by corrupt cookies or cache. In order to try to fix these problems, the first step is to clear both cookies and the cache. Note: This will temporarily log you out of all sites you're logged in to. To clear Cache and cookies do the following:

Go to Firefox > History > Clear recent history or (if no Firefox button is shown) go to Tools > Clear recent history.
Under "Time range to clear", select "Everything".
Now, click the arrow next to Details to toggle the Details list active.
From the details list, check Cache and Cookies and uncheck everything else.
Now click the Clear now button.

Further information can be found in the Clear your cache, history and other personal information in Firefox article.

Hope this helps you can do the same in IE, problems looks like corrupt cookies and Cache. Also try using CCleaner its free to download and it will help in future.
Regards Lloyd.

sternchallis
5th February 2016, 22:06
I sailed in the Boniface and the Benedict in 1983. Belem was unbelievable. 24 hour party town par excellence. Obidos upriver was very odd. Went ashore with some guys who were poisoned by 'high wine' wood alchohol mixed with Bacardi. Manaus was even better than Belem, especially The Cathedral club, built in the crypt of the ruins of the burnt out cathedral. What went on there was definitely NOT in the Book of Common Prayer!!!

Was on the maiden voyage of the Benedict late 70's as 1st trip 2/E, it was a learning curve for all the Engineers, medium speed diesel, truck engines for generators made under license in Brazil and other equipment nobody had come across.
See BSL website for ship images under Booth Line.
Red Wells was my 3rd, old Booth Line hand, Mike Gardner as Eng Cadet, had Ted Gibbs as Lecky who had stood by as Electrical Inspector in Rio. I spent 6 weeks on the Copacobana going down to the ship M-F in the latter stages. Good experience as well as taking in the culture of Rio prior to Carnival.(Hippy)

Johnny Atkins was old man (spent some of his spare time deep sea adding coat hooks in the cabins, as shipyard forgot to fit them), Nick Barr Mate.
The R/O helped us out in the ER during our blacked out period in Bridgetown, Barbados dressed overall but no power. A good start fr the ship.
Captain Smith joined us southbound, he even donned a BS and came down below to do some block and tackle work with me.
We also had split ballast pipes in no 3 port fuel tank that were repaired in Port of Spain.
These two ships had a stability problem and were underpowered due to the extra accomodation deck that was added.

So quite a voyage.

A later voyage I did was quite boring incomparison.

sternchallis
5th February 2016, 22:12
Oops double post, so this one deleted.

P.Arnold
11th February 2016, 13:48
Jimm3
Threads #102/103
When I was on Valiante, before name change to Veloz, the Athualpa was already in service, was she not formerly the Velos.

Foca
12th February 2016, 16:21
Hi sternchallis, welcome to the site.
Seems you enjoyed yourself in Rio, I can remember in late seventies walking back to the ship down the Copacabana beach with my wife at two in the morning dancing with the samba bands as we went....not anymore, how Brazil has changed over the years. Belem, Manaus and Fortaleza are all no go areas now.
I suppose we should consider it a privilege to have sailed on the Amazon and South America.
In late 70's and early 80's I did the maiden voyages on the new "Boswell" and "Belloc", having become a Lamport man by then. The ships did not last long in the service, Falkland War put paid to that service. I was on the "Belloc" in 1980 on a very lucrative, CSAV(Chilean National Line) we were running between Europe and South America via the Canal and through the Magellan Straits....they liked the ship and it could have become a permanent charter until the Seaman's Union decided to go on strike and we were delayed in Rotterdam for nearly a month and after that we had our scheduled dry dock which put an end to that. I think I did a couple of trips on the "Browning ", after that and we had to turn round and discharge our River Plate cargo in Rio Grande...when the war started.
Sailed with John Atkins on the "Boniface" when I was Second Mate and he was Cadet then Third Mate..last time I heard he was running a pub in Mostyn, Liverpool pilots used to go there a lot....Red Wells I sailed with on the V boats many moons ago. You might recognize people in the pictures I am attaching

sternchallis
12th February 2016, 17:17
Foca,
No don't recognise the photos.
Unless we are talking about another John Atkins or you are talking about an earlier Boniface, not the Emaq one.
I'll put some photos up. There are a few up on the gallery and more on the BSL website.
You might want to drop me a pm.

sternchallis
12th February 2016, 17:23
Was Alan Stevens the manager of the repair outfit that used to come down in Belem?
I remember an English chap coming down with a few of the locals to do some pipework for us. 1979'ish

Remember meeting Ned St Rosa in Belem, in fact he allowed me to call from his house to my fiance as I had not heard from her all the time I had been in Rio. Needless to say we could not discuss anything as they were listening in and when I returned home got the Dear John in person.
Later that year I treated myself to a TR7 softop instead of all the scrimping and saving I had been doing for 2 years.

sternchallis
12th February 2016, 18:33
1. On the return maiden voyage Bridgetown
2. Up the Amazon May 1979
3.Boniface still completing Jan 1979 @ Emaq Rio

4.The likely lads just after we took possession of the Benedict.
L-R 2/0 Mike (Woggy) Walker, Captain, John Atkins, 2/E David Fox,

Officer Trainee Robert Hamp, Ch/Off Nick Barr.
There were more officers but perhaps camera shy.

J Grayson 3/0, J Horsburgh R/O, A. Eddie C/E, Red Wells 3/E, A Lee 4/E,
M. Gardiner Eng Cadet.


Correction to post 115 it was John Harris as Master not Smith

sternchallis
12th February 2016, 18:55
An account by a passenger at the time.
Book still available, by Ruthie Lockyer.
Available on Kindle as well as print.
If there is a Reunion this year Ruthie the author is hoping to give a talk of her experience as a child passenger and a short film of the dive to the Hilderbrand that sunk off Portugal.

Foca
12th February 2016, 19:41
The picture taken logging in the Amazon Delta on the Boniface....is John Atkins on the right and me on the left....it is the same Captain Atkins you sailed with in his younger days. The other picture is when I was Mate on the "Veras", we had just offloaded a CAT D7 onto a barge...the nearest chap leaning on the bulwark is Red Wells.
That would be Alan Stevens that came down from Iquitos, in the old days there used to be two Engineer Superintendents and Electrical Superintendents based in New York. Ned StRoas and I went a long way back together... he passed away after coming back to the UK for treatment, I saw him a few times in London before he died and Della his wife died 12 months later, very sad really but at least his three daughters were living in the UK at that time. Did you meet Captain Eric Bentley in Manaus?

sternchallis
12th February 2016, 19:52
No, I don't think I met Captain Bentley in Manaus.
I do remember going to a a BBQ quite a way south of Belem at a house (with a swimming pool) of an English chap part of the Vestey firm, he had two daughters I think and they knew Red real well. He was some sort of manager, perhaps managing agent and was also a Consul I think, he was much younger than Ned.

If you want to PM me we can have a chat.

Mike Williamson
15th February 2016, 06:28
Everytime I "briefly" visit this site, I finish up reading every post on every page. There is no doubt that they were halcyon days - if only I had a time machine!
Thanks for all the posts - I love 'em and if you haven't already done so, take a look at my reminiscences at http://www.mike-williamson.blogspot.com.au/2012/11/a-really-big-river.html and associated ramblings.

sternchallis
24th February 2016, 15:32
Last year (2015) for the VGSA reunion lunch at Liverpool we stayed at the Liner Hotel and they did a good job of giving the hotel a nautical theme with a reception that looked like a Pursers office on an old liner, various brass bits in the lobby and restaurant like a telegraph, sounding machine and old fashioned binnacle.
All rooms (cabins) and alleyways had prints of various liners on the bulkheads. Just outside ours was the Hilary up the Amazon. (not sure of the artist originally, but my photo).
See attached.
We also visited the old BSSM Office (or Corn Beef Castle as it was known) and previously the offices of White Star Line (of Titanic fame), now a boutique hotel (what ever that is, but expensive).
Old L&H and BSL nameplates up in the top floor bar, Charts of South America the old Booth & Lamports runs.
You can just see what looks like part of a boiler, but not a ships boiler but possibly from the buildings original heating system.

Caffj
28th February 2016, 23:02
Hi Foca,
Do you have Tom McCutcheon's telephone number? If so can you ring and find
out if he is ok. I did as you suggested and contacted Western Ferries on 28th
July,2015. They said they would forward on my e-mail to Tom. Todate I've had
no reply from Tom which is very strange.
Thanks and regards, Caffj

sternchallis
2nd May 2016, 14:49
Did anybody sail on this Passenger /Cargo ship of Booth Line.
There is a book written about her last voyage when she ran aground off Cascais in Portugal. The Junior Engineer Tony McClemements is still around and one of the passengers who was a schoolgirl at the time, Ruthie Lockyer who wrote the book. It is available on Amazon.

sternchallis
21st May 2016, 15:25
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7CpgkFk7EI

This video describes what happened on 25th September 1957 by people on the vessel and the Formal Enquiry. The video was made by two Portuguese divers one of which was a had an interest in underwater video.

kypros
21st May 2016, 20:51
My older brother sailed on the Hildebrand not the voyage of her loss,I sailed in her sister ship the Hubert on her last voyage to the Amazon before she was moved out to Australia,strangely my late father worked on the construction of both at Camel lairds shipyard,although still at school I clearly remember her loss.KYPROS

sternchallis
22nd May 2016, 13:38
Kypros, did you or your family come across Tony McClements who was the Junior Engineer, later became Chief Engineer with Booth Line and also served his apprenticeship with Cammel Lairds. He is still around I met him at the 2016 Lunch.

sternchallis
5th June 2016, 22:40
Is anybody in touch with Richard Wells (Red Wells , as he liked to be known) 3rd Engineer, obviously retired now. He ws from the Liverpool area and sailed with Booth Line and perhaps Lamports also.
He was my 3rd when we brought back the Benedict from the shipyard in Rio Brazil 78/79 and as I was a 1st trip 2nd he helped a great deal. In fact the 4thand cadet and lecky were all good lads.
As we were all in the same boat (no pun intended) a new ship with equipment and engines we had never come across before. Our first few watches from Rio to Belem it guess or by god, much crossed fingers.
We had our trials and tribulations with that ship till she settled down.
Cotton waste in the HFO service tank causing surging of the engine whilst rolling.
Fuel purifiers not set up with correct gravity disc by shipyard.
OWS heating coils cracked filling boiler with oil.
Hotwell with sight glass wrong side, hence above. Partly filled hotwell with oil.
Fuel pipe through ballast tank cracked or weld failed causing contamination of ballast and fuel tank.
Failure of fuel injector cylinder head bushes on mechanica pasada DA's.
Fitted with a hand operated ( glorified bike pump) black start compressor, rather than a Distar set.
Blacked out on maiden voyage in Barbados, due to too much water in DO that DOP never removed, just pumped.
Managed to get a jump start off a tug via the deck air line.
Due to the extra accomodation deck the gm was a bit dodgy.
Small overflow of stern tube oil out of the header tank in the boiler flat ( and she was cooling down as well) just before arrival Liverpool, never did hear what caused it.
ME (7 cyl MAN , same as QE 2 generators) somewhat underpowered, needed the extra cylinder at least as engine was on the propellor power curve all the time, no allowance for heavy weather.

But after settling down was a pretty good ship.

kypros
6th June 2016, 10:00
Sorry Sternchallis only just back to this thread not sure if any of my family new of the man you asked of both my Father and elder brother now crossed the bar impossible to find out.KYPROS

sternchallis
13th December 2016, 00:19
Sorry to hear that Frank Stitchcombe is no longer with us. I met him while we were standing by the building of Benedict and her sister in Rio 1978/9.
Is Richard "Red" Wells still around, he was my 3rd Eng when we took over Benedict from the shipyard? Two of the stalwarts.

sternchallis
12th April 2017, 10:53
I sailed in the Boniface and the Benedict in 1983. Belem was unbelievable. 24 hour party town par excellence. Obidos upriver was very odd. Went ashore with some guys who were poisoned by 'high wine' wood alchohol mixed with Bacardi. Manaus was even better than Belem, especially The Cathedral club, built in the crypt of the ruins of the burnt out cathedral. What went on there was definitely NOT in the Book of Common Prayer!!!

Did you ever sail with Richard (Red) Wells, 3rd Engineer for many years with Booths. He sailed on the maiden voyage of the Benedict as my 3rd.
He knew everybody up the river, Alan the repair man, the Booth country manager and his family, the Marine Super, names lost in the mists of time, tide and Tennants (well perhaps not as I didn't like the stuff, but it rymed).

Now Brahma Chop or Mount Gay rum ( you have to watch what you write these days, hence adding the rum).

Just wondered if Red was still around.
I wrote a long post about that voyage on the L&H section, so won't repeat here.
Had a reply from Sparky 1.

sternchallis
13th April 2017, 10:39
Served as 2nd Mate on "Veras" 64 and 65. 5 trips from New York/Montreal to Brazil including 3 to Iquitos. Fantastic ship and a good crowd. Brazilian crew. Enjoyed every minute. George Potts was Master, Guy Guerandel was Mate and Mike Locke 3rd Mate. No radar on board so on the east coast of USA in fog we would drop anchor and wait for vis to improve! We used to tow a loaded barge alongside from Manaus to Iquitos at low river season. Happy days.

I sailed with Mike Locke with Blue Star, he was Mate and sometimes 2nd Mate as he never got his Masters. He was a good Mate as well another from Hull my home port.

sternchallis
13th April 2017, 10:51
My last trip as deck cadet was on the Benedict in 1984.An amazing time was had by all !. Went up to Manaus, then on the way down river the Rudder stock parted from the Rudder, so I had to endure a whole month alongside in Belem !,my God I had a good time !!. Belem seemed to me to be in a permanent carnival mode.

First time I have heard about rudder. I was on there during the maiden voyage and we had little mechanical excitements all down to poor workmanship of the yard.

Woggy was 2nd Mate on there, met a Brazilian girl in Manaus and eventually married her and moving to Manaus. Think he got a job to do with cargo in the Booth/Vestey organisation up there.
See his picture on the BSL website/ ships/Booths/ Benedict following the handover.
You might recognise the old man peering through red eyes.

Caffj
14th April 2017, 16:01
Hi is there anyone still out there. I know we are all getting long in the tooth,
(myself included) but this forum seems to have died.
Does anyone know what has happened to Foca?
Can anyone answers the following questions.
What Booth Line ships was Tom McCutcheon master on?
What happened to all the masters when Vestey pulled the plug on Booth
Line, eg some of the masters I sailed with (can't remember them all)
Sharpe, Roberts, Walker, Macrife, (might have spelt his name wrong)
Look forward to hearing from some one with the answers.
Happy days with Maggie Booth.
regards. Caffj

Mike Williamson
17th April 2017, 09:33
Sorry to hear that Frank Stitchcombe is no longer with us. I met him while we were standing by the building of Benedict and her sister in Rio 1978/9.
Is Richard "Red" Wells still around, he was my 3rd Eng when we took over Benedict from the shipyard? Two of the stalwarts.

Frank Stinchcombe was one of the true characters of the British Merchant Navy, and I could talk all night about him! Here's a little link that I've posted before - but if you'll forgive my self-indulgence it's worth doing again. I've posted a couple more on the "big river" on the same site, but this epitomises Frank "The Saint" Stinchcome to me.
http://mike-williamson.blogspot.com.au/2012/06/perfect-cuba-libre.html

Foca
19th October 2017, 12:02
Albion House ex Pacific Buildings, James Street Liverpool.


Seems a lot of people including the press are ignorant of the fact, that 30 James Street built 1896/98 by the White Star Line...was owned by the Pacific Steamship Company who bought it from the White Star Line in 1934, who had been there for 38 years or so. and remained as their head office called Pacific Buildings for 31 years until Furness Withy took over the Royal Mail Lines/Pacific Steam Company in 1965. It was PSNC that commissioned the floor mosaic of South America in the foyer when they took it over from White Star line.
BSSM took over the 30 James street and called it "Albion House"..........the local name for the building was "Streaky Bacon House" after its red and white brickwork .....I am not quite sure how long BSSM stayed there but it was nowhere near the 31 years that the Pacific Steamship Company used it as their Head Office.
The present Hotel owners and the press either from ignorance or play on the White Star past have simply airbrushed The Pacific Steam Navigation Company out of the picture....nothing has been mentioned about Reina del Pacifico and Orduna which carried thousands of troops during WW2, and served with distinction during the North Africa landings...peacetime "Reina del Pacifico"......most of PSNC cargo ships carried 12 passengers, so the ground floor of Pacific Buildings which was the passenger department as well as the cash department saw plenty of coming and goings.
James Street Station was badly damaged as was "Pacific Buildings" during the war.......including the "Goree Warehouses", which were demolished after the war to the widen the roads....I remember the bomb damage very well and its really amazing to see how Liverpool has changed over the years....anyone that never rode on the Overhead Railway(Dockers Umbrella) certainly missed out
Booth Line original seagoing staff offices were in Wapping...more or less opposite Queens dock were the Booth Line ships docked

sternchallis
20th October 2017, 17:45
Re: Foca 140.
BSSM had 30 St. James St. Fom mid 1970's until they had sold up all their ships, perhaps sometime in the 80's and as you say nowhere near 31 years.
On the open bus tour they don't mention the other shipping companies that used it as an office, just the ill fated White Star Line, nothing at all to do with the Blue Star Line.

Foca
16th January 2018, 19:51
Just found this picture on the Hoboken Historical Site....its the Booth Line "Valiente" in dry dock in the Hoboken Shipyard, must be early sixties.
Been there a few times on various company ships,brings back a lot of memories

P.Arnold
17th January 2018, 13:45
Just found this picture on the Hoboken Historical Site....its the Booth Line "Valiente" in dry dock in the Hoboken Shipyard, must be early sixties.
Been there a few times on various company ships,brings back a lot of memories

Re my #96 (https://www.shipsnostalgia.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=96)
I don’t think we missed a trip without going into dry dock to have the prop cropped or replaced due to damage sustained by submerged logs/trees.
I had an FCC radio survey whilst in dry dock. The surveyor took a dim view of the aerial held together with splices and bulldog clamps. When explained this was a result of either trees falling in, or snagging the wire as we passed.
He was not too impressed when the Rentokil people had fumigated the radio room and bridge area. Consequently the cockies came out en masse from the crevices in their death throes.
When moving out of the r/room to the c/room he threw up.
It was the first and last time that I failed a survey.

The subsequent survey was conducted by a different surveyor.

I had my 20th birthday on the Valiente, what an adventure.

Peter A

Foca
21st November 2018, 13:45
Whilst serving as Master in Booth Line in 1968, the Brasilian Government in all there wisdom decided to ban the export of lumber in log form, hence forth only cut timber would be allowed. You can imagine the panic as the shippers who had relied on the export of logs tired to get there stocks exported before the rule can into force. Most of the logs we carried were mostley for the Portuguese market, Libon or Leixoes. So you can imagine the urgency in Booth Lines offices to charter any ship to fullfill the shippers present needs
I flew out to Recife to join a ship called Kostantis Yemelos, which a found had been originally built as "Samiday" run by Holt and Co Liverpool in 1944...in 1947 she became the "Scholar" Harrison Line........1964 she was bought by Greek owners and became "Kostantis Yemelos"

She had just finished loading grain, and I happened to be in the Captain's cabin when the receivers can in and stated they were x amount of tons short, impossible replies the Captain. Anyway that afternoon I did the on survey accompanied by the Master and Mate. First hatch I survey was No 1 hold and along with a number of faults I pointed out was that the air vent for the DB tank was rusted right through.....which started a big row between the Master and the Mate. A couple of days later whilst underway to the Amazon the crew were walking along the foredeck with bags of grain..seemingly No1 DB was filled with the missing x amount of grain. It seems they intended to sell this grain and the cook was quite angered because he could not fit down the manhole and was not included in a share of the profits. Anyway we had a successful trip with a full cargo to discharge at Lisbon and Leixoes, were I put her off charter.

Foca
24th November 2018, 14:05
The next supercargo posting was to join the Greek-owned "Patricia" in Manaus….ship had a very interesting career built as the "Empire McAndrew" 1943/1946 (MAC Aircraft Carrier) which I had read quite a lot about beforehand. 1946 she was converted into a cargo vessel….1946 /1951 she was "Derryheen"….1951/1963 "Cape Grafton " Lyle Shipping Company.
When I arrived onboard the ship was in a terrible state of repair. the cabin they gave me had rusting deckhead. I doubt the Masters' qualifications but I think he had the job as he was married to the owner's daughter. The on survey was another thing…broken ladders, frames I could go on and on, but the main point was that the tween decks had come away from the sides of the ship. I pointed this out and the next day they were down there with cement covering it up. How they ever passed any Lloyd's tests beats me.
Never had so much trouble loading a ship before..mate was argumentative, didn't like this or that. and they were all shouting and screaming at each other. In the end, I told they the ship was off charter come and see we when it's sorted…A half hour later it's ok we will do it your way. Captain gets a bottle of ouzo out and the next thing they are all dancing with each other. What a ship toilets had stuff growing out of them and were filthy …food was terrible...I must have lost a good stone in weight by the time we got to Leixoes. One Port we were loading at in the Delta canoes of women came out and crew had them onboard…I did warn the Captain…but the next day the hatch tarpaulins and a good load of paint were missing, what a shouting match, out comes the ouzo and they are all dancing again. One night at a logging port the shipper and the Captain had revolvers out threatening each other……it's a good job I had a couple of Brazilian sailors helping me or I would never have got the ship loaded. Anyway we finished loading and I asked the Captain to work out the stability which was met with a blank expression..so I got the books from him and worked it out..I also told him that I did not want any slack tanks…ok, then he speaks to the Chief.
We sailed from Belem with my cabin loaded with all sorts of food, milk, corned, fruit etc which Ned St Roas the Superintendent said I had to have….they were talking about flying me to Portugal but were frightened that they would get up to something on the way back. Eventually, we arrived in Leixoes and I went to live ashore in a hotel. We started to discharge and the Captain wanted engine trials so I got permission from the Captain of the port…and they started doubling up in preparation to test the engines, so off I went back to the hotel for some lunch and a shower…came back at about 1500 to find the ship listing heavily and all the mooring bar tight. I went to find the mate but before they could do anything the moorings pulled two sets of bits off the quayside and we righted with a sudden jerk.
As I was the only one who spoke Portuguese the next day before noon one of the Stevedores came to me with a stick with about three foot of oil on it …..No 5 hatch was floating in bunker oil…Chief had certainly pressed the tanks up. The crew were down to there waist deep in oil clearing the bilges to pump the oil out. By now the owner had arrived and wanted all sorts of repairs done..you can guess what my reply was.
I was certainly glad to be on the flight home I can tell you.

Foca
26th November 2018, 13:17
The "Cyril" had run aground whilst entering Point a Pitre...and become fast on a coral reef...salvage tug had tried to pull her off but nearly took the poop housing away, so in the end she had to have her cargo discharged to lighten her enough to clear the reef, before she docked in Point a Pitre . I flew out with a John Morcom Harneis Chief Officer and Bill Halewood Chief Engineer at the end of January to relieve the Master of command and proceed to dry dock in Trinidad. We were to sail the following morning as I think the people of Point a Pitre were already fed up with the ship being there...when I asked what time the pilot would arrive, I was informed no pilot just go. So first light we singled up, maneuvered her clear of the berth and down the channel to sea, our progress was very slow as the ship bottom was all buckled due to the grounding, and going too fast caused the whole ship to vibrate. It took us over two days to get to Trinidad... we entered the Boca late on the afternoon of the second day and anchored off the Furness Withy floating dock in Chaguaramas Bay. We berthed alongside the floating dry-dock the following day and started the laborious business of cleaning the double bottom tank and getting rid of all ballast and fuel oil inshore storage. The yard assessed that we would need approximately 500 tons of new steel to renew the damage and I a few days later we were docked on the Floating dry-dock and repairs commenced. Most of the officers that were not needed were flown home on leave leaving just a skeleton crew onboard. The plan was to finish the repairs and then proceed directly to the UK where the rumor was that the ship was to be sold.
Work continued apace and the weeks slowly went by, until we had been there a month. It was impossible to have our ports open as across the bay was situated a bauxite berth, and every time a ship loaded which was frequent, the dust just floated across and it was not long before the whole place was covered in the stuff. Think it was about six weeks till we were eventually refloated and the remaining crew joined for the trip back to the UK……..Then out of the blue, I was informed that we were to proceed to Buenaventura, Columbia to load coffee(It was about that time there was a coffee shortage in Europe) So off we sailed for Panama Canal and then on to Buenaventura. I had been to BV as it was known with my cadetship in PSNC and also as Master with CSAV charter on the "Belloc"…and I knew from experience that it was a very unsavoury place. Three days of rain and overcast(no radar?) we eventually picked up the pilot off BV and anchored off the harbour as there was a dock stoke. Our agents boarded two likable chaps and there the first question was "What are you here for" coffee I replied "But there is no coffee‼! So presented them with some cartons of cigarettes to keep them happy and off they went. Next to arrive were the Shippers agents who insisted that as soon as the dock strike was over we would go alongside. Next day we received a telegram from BSSM that John Morcom Harneis was to fly home to join ACT 1….no relief so typical BSSM I was short-handed again. We were keeping 24 hrs deck watches as native canoes and ladies of the night were begging to come onboard…there was a Norwegian ship "Frendo" something anchored close by also come for coffee. they put their guard down and lost all their paint stores. As weeks went by dock strike over nor problem getting coffee down due landslides. Shippers agents were down each day not to worry. I tried going ashore to phone the office but could never get through..even thought of sleeping ashore and phoning in the night. We had been alongside to load water but were back out at anchor again. Ship Chandler would not supply any more beer as he was not getting his bottles back and suggested we go up to Cali to the factory to buy beer which was about 70 miles over the Andes. Off we sent Chief and me, Chandler and his son….reached the first Military checkpoint and soldiers at bayonet point kicked Bill Halewood and I into the back and loaded their girlfriends in the front with instructions were to drop them off. Anyway, the trip from tropical, via Mediterranean and alpine landscapes was not to be missed until we reached to the col and there was Cali stretched out in front of us. WE picked the beer up no problem which meant that Bill and I were sitting in the back with all the beer. Trip back was uneventful but very cold as we went over the pass. A few days later the shipper's agents disappeared…I was in the office and I happened to see one of the secretaries on the telex machine…Inglaterra, I asked si no problema….so that is how I managed to contact the office with my one fingered typing. Seemingly our coffee had been sold and Bills of Lading in my name had been issued on the Continent but we were still being paid our charter fee to the company were not too worried. To cut a long story a chap from Germany arrived to sort things out, I agreed to go off Charter as soon as I cleared the Panama Canal so we were on our way home at last in ballast arrived in Liverpool were the West Indian crew paid off and the ship was eventually sold.

Foca
27th November 2018, 09:24
I was just wondering if anyone out there remembers loading bulk brasil nuts on the UK run……my first experience was on my first trip as second mate on the "Boniface". in 1963. Usually we sailed from Liverpool via Dublin and Cork…..general cargo and a load of oilfield pipe for Trinidad. After Trinidad it was down to Belem and hence to Manaus were we started loading. At Belem we picked up a Brasilian shore gang who assisted in building the nut bins as required. Some of these lots were from 500/250/100 down to 25 tonne bins. The uprights in the lower holds consisted of hardwood Vigas (Portuguese term ) about 10 x 10 inch and very heavy. Can you imagine someone climbing up the hold battens with a viga balanced on his head and the rest with rope pulling it into an upright position….health and safety‼! The mate worked out the dimensions of the bins and between us all the bins were erected in the holds and tween decks. Loading was done from barges which came done from up country with native labour, who loaded the buckets or casambas as they were called. Officer on deck had to ensure that the buckets were topped off with a stick to make sure they were not overloaded, also we had to test about 5% of the nuts by cracking them open to see what percentage were bad. Sometimes a bin would overflow and the shore gang would have to build a little on alongside to take the overspill. Also we had to make sure that the bins had to be loaded on the nailed side first. I remember on day looking down into the barge and this dark haired beauty was shovelling nuts into a bucket and she turned round and smiled, she had no front teeth….sucking on sugar cane for energy had rotted her teeth. We also used to load at Itacoatiara and Santarem on our way down to the Delta to load logs. I met quite an interesting gentleman in Belem, I think his name was George he used to go round the World buying nuts for the London market…walnuts, almonds, cashews.etc.Iran, India, China all over..after a few drinks he would recount his experiences in the Western Desert during WW2 in Honey Tanks which I found intriguing being a History buff myself. On our homeward passage we carried a Brasilian shore gang(nutcrackers the crew called them) whose main task was to trench the bins each day and pick out any bad ones…hatches were opened each day weather permitting and wind sails rigged to ventilate the nuts…which like coal can cause combustion. Hull had a very odd system of discharge as they rigged a third wooden derrick so that each load could be weighed separately. Brasilian shore gang used to stay onboard in Liverpool and were really handy on deck on the outward trip.
All this was superseded when Brasilian industry advance and brasilnuts were shipped shelled in quite large tins.
When I joined the "Veras" in Hamburg during lengthening, as mate in 1966…we had Brasilian crew and I must admit that sailing with them were on of the most happy experiences of my sea going career . we had them for a while until one crew member claimed under Brasilian law he was entitled to a pension for life…which was upheld in a law court and as Booth Brasil was a registered Brasilian company that was that..no more Brasilian crews who were replaced by West Indians.

duquesa
27th November 2018, 13:56
The thing I recall about carrying Brazil Nuts was that we always carried a "Nut Trimmer". He was on board for the round trip - He climbed around in the hold on top of the nuts and turned them regularly with a large wooden shovel. This was done daily and he kept a log book of the temperatures. We loaded in the ports mentioned in the previous post plus a couple of others and were on the USA service. I do recall having the same guy on board on a couple of trips at least though we didn't always carry them in bulk. The bin construction I also remember.

Foca
7th December 2018, 15:36
Christmas at Guanta Venezuela
Must have been around 1968/9 I was on the "Viajero" on the New York run, we were carrying a lot of Plywood back to San Juan Puerto Rico in those days. We left Port of Spain on Christmas Eve bound to load Cement at Guanta…..so to arrive early on Christmas day and have our dinner at anchor I decided to go via the little channel between Isla Margarita and Isla Coche..made the channel during the night and good job the old Mark 4 was behaving and we anchored just after breakfast so Crew and Passengers had a nice day.
We berthed on Boxing day but did not start loading as the cement was not ready. Just before lunch the Factory Manager, his wife and a friend who could only speak Spanish came onboard and we all had a few drinks and a chat…bought some cigarettes and booze all going well…next thing this Army Sergeant is at the door hurling abuse at the couple..(Must say at this time that the whole port was under military jurisdiction )….Anyway, the lady who could not speak English got quite irritated and as far as I could make out wanted to go ashore to see someone, so I was invited along for a ride. We must have stopped at half a dozen military checkpoints before we reached the town…and stopping outside a cinema. Eventually, this guy comes out dripping with gold braid must have been a General or something and this girl goes up to his arms around him "Mi Amor"….oh bloody hell I think that poor sergeant. Trip back to the ship every checkpoint we never stopped and they were all standing the attention. Back at the dock, we said our cheerio's and back I go onboard…with the poor sergeant on his knees begging forgiveness .
So that was my Christmas at Guanta

Foca
24th February 2019, 14:17
Castries St. Lucia
My name is "Mary Pickford" was the lovely lady in Castries(Castries City now) who used to sell Limacol and Bay Rum in old beer bottles…..also for the fans hot pepper sauce, which I never got a taste for. But I used to love the Limacol splashing it on after a shower and it was very good for mosy bites. All the Windward Islands that we used to call at have harbours now, even Roseau, Dominica has a harbour, we used to anchor so close, you could see the guests having breakfast in the hotel on the cliff above.

Samsette
24th February 2019, 19:36
The thing I recall about carrying Brazil Nuts was that we always carried a "Nut Trimmer". He was on board for the round trip - He climbed around in the hold on top of the nuts and turned them regularly with a large wooden shovel. This was done daily and he kept a log book of the temperatures. We loaded in the ports mentioned in the previous post plus a couple of others and were on the USA service. I do recall having the same guy on board on a couple of trips at least though we didn't always carry them in bulk. The bin construction I also remember.

Why is it that we only learn about those soft jobs when we are too old to apply?(Smoke)

duquesa
24th February 2019, 19:41
Why is it that we only learn about those soft jobs when we are too old to apply?(Smoke)
Not a job I would have relished. Probably suffered horrors later in life, like asbestos.
Heck of a lot of thick dust.

Samsette
24th February 2019, 22:32
Not a job I would have relished. Probably suffered horrors later in life, like asbestos.
Heck of a lot of thick dust.

Something I had not considered. Never-the-less, a voyage up the Amazon, and back, must have been something special in seafaring experience.

duquesa
24th February 2019, 22:45
Something I had not considered. Never-the-less, a voyage up the Amazon, and back, must have been something special in seafaring experience.
It certainly was and even better when you did it time and time again! Never regretted that time in Booths for a second. Once upon a time a great company.

Jim Harris
25th February 2019, 07:54
It certainly was and even better when you did it time and time again! Never regretted that time in Booths for a second. Once upon a time a great company.

I was lucky enough to do a few trips up the mighty river, but only as far as Manaus as I was on the 'Bernard', and she was too big to go all the way to Iquitos.

But I've got some very fond memories of Belem and Fortaleza!!

P.Arnold
25th February 2019, 10:47
It certainly was and even better when you did it time and time again! Never regretted that time in Booths for a second. Once upon a time a great company.

I did 4 trips on the Valiente,up the river. From New York, via nearly all of the WI islands, and up to Manaus, Iquitos. Round trip of about 13-14 weeks. Drydock in Hoboken with bent prop, nearly every trip.
Had my 20th birthday in one of the wood ports.
It still has the Wow memories 50 years later.

duquesa
25th February 2019, 11:17
I did 4 trips on the Valiente,up the river. From New York, via nearly all of the WI islands, and up to Manaus, Iquitos. Round trip of about 13-14 weeks. Drydock in Hoboken with bent prop, nearly every trip.
Had my 20th birthday in one of the wood ports.
It still has the Wow memories 50 years later.

Oh yes the bent props - every trip!And one lost altogether. That was fun. I recall to this day spending my watch on the river standing next to the engine telegraph. On hitting a tree, stop engines, engineer sitting on a beer case knocked off the fuel, count 10 seconds and restart. Looking over the back end the tree would shoot up. Hence bent props!!

Foca
8th April 2019, 12:50
I was lucky enough to do a few trips up the mighty river, but only as far as Manaus as I was on the 'Bernard', and she was too big to go all the way to Iquitos.

But I've got some very fond memories of Belem and Fortaleza!!

I took the "Berwell Adventure"ex "Bernard" to Iquitos, with a full cargo, for the newly opening oilfields in the Peruvian Jungle.

duquesa
8th April 2019, 17:18
The names of two of Booths choice Amazon pilots have suddenly crawled into my memory cells:- Hugo Ferrera and Walter Carlos dos Reise(?). I have photographs of those two rascals somewhere in my files. Utterly brilliant pilots- massive respect.

bbyrne98
8th April 2019, 18:43
I did 4 trips on the Valiente,up the river. From New York, via nearly all of the WI islands, and up to Manaus, Iquitos. Round trip of about 13-14 weeks. Drydock in Hoboken with bent prop, nearly every trip.
Had my 20th birthday in one of the wood ports.
It still has the Wow memories 50 years later.

Your post triggered a lot of memories from WOW to WTF.

I did 3 on the Cyril as RO in 1977 but they were 7 weeks or so by then, if I recall correctly, Manaus only . Had my 19th birthday in NYK courtesy of the CO, top man too (if he is reading)! However, to this day, I haven't forgiven him for making me measure ever single log we loaded on the river (but my figures were bob on!), nor the near death experience in St Lucia.

A normal day then.

P.Arnold
14th May 2019, 07:35
I used to tally palletised animal skins somewhere on the river and cray fish tails at Fortaleza to tally them off at Charleston.

We were without a 3rd mate for several weeks, during which time I kept watches, and did the helm, under the watchful eye of Cpt Needham.

Can’t remember what I got paid, but I didn’t have to use my “signing on pocket money” for the 14 months I was away.

And those thunderstorms !!

bbyrne98
16th May 2019, 18:38
I used to tally palletised animal skins somewhere on the river and cray fish tails at Fortaleza to tally them off at Charleston.

We were without a 3rd mate for several weeks, during which time I kept watches, and did the helm, under the watchful eye of Cpt Needham.

Can’t remember what I got paid, but I didn’t have to use my “signing on pocket money” for the 14 months I was away.

And those thunderstorms !!

I clearly got off light then as I tallied timber on the Amazon and KFC (certainly chilled boxes of chicken) in St Lucia. The KFC tallying was made very easy by the discovery that most of it had been pilfered in New York.

I'm less happy that we pilfered timber from the rain forest but that's another discussion, another day.

My memory bank says I had an hourly rate of $10 (obviously declared to HMRC) - I played hard to get as that looks like about $40 (justified) dollars today. I bought a camera from my earnings, the pics from which are around somewhere, I must dig them out.

sternchallis
28th May 2019, 22:00
Sadly on the 20th May Fraser closed the web site down. He posted his message on FaceBook. ..........."I have from tonight closed bluestarline.org permanently. The reasons being financial, failing eyesight and other health concerns which make it impossible to keep the website updated.

Thank you to all those who have visited the website in the past.

Fraser Darrah".
**********************
A very informative company website with a list and history of all the company ships, many images supplied by members, history of the Vestey family firm, crew lists going back into 1970' s or earlier until the demise from the centre fold of the house magazine, a logbook of posts, obituary section and copies of the house magazine as pdf's and images of various reunions. Other intersting sections added by Fraser including his own photographic images.
A well structured and interesting website, definately a labour of love by one man.

Foca
31st May 2019, 15:31
I do remember carrying animal skins from the Amazon, used to come in two varieties, wet and dry.The wet ones stunk to high heaven. Frozen cargo we carried most were the Blue Water Catfish, also in late sixties and early seventies we carried shrimp from Georgetown, Guyana to New York. Although we tallied them in we were always short on discharge.....and resultant was a nasty letter from Marine Superintendents. So in Georgetown we tallied them on the quay and into the hold and again we were short in NY, until on the next trip we tallied then twice in Georgetown and out in NY. And the next thing we heard was, a lorry had pulled up in the Warehouse at Pier One asking for his forty cases of shrimp, only he asked the wrong guy and it turned out that was what had been happening along ....Mafia again.

duquesa
1st June 2019, 08:58
I do remember carrying animal skins from the Amazon, used to come in two varieties, wet and dry.The wet ones stunk to high heaven. Frozen cargo we carried most were the Blue Water Catfish, also in late sixties and early seventies we carried shrimp from Georgetown, Guyana to New York. Although we tallied them in we were always short on discharge.....and resultant was a nasty letter from Marine Superintendents. So in Georgetown we tallied them on the quay and into the hold and again we were short in NY, until on the next trip we tallied then twice in Georgetown and out in NY. And the next thing we heard was, a lorry had pulled up in the Warehouse at Pier One asking for his forty cases of shrimp, only he asked the wrong guy and it turned out that was what had been happening along ....Mafia again.

I remember the stinking skins and the shrimp shortages very well indeed. Almost as well as the hang overs in Belem!!

Foca
17th June 2019, 13:13
Everyone I sailed with always said it was the ice in the drinks that caused to bad heads......!!

sternchallis
17th June 2019, 16:30
I am pleased to report that the Log Book is back on line, the rest will follow shortly over the next few weeks.

Foca
17th June 2019, 18:56
During my 13 years in Booths, mostly spent on the UK and US runs..except for six months I spent in Lagos in the cement queue on the "Dominic ", but that's a story for another time. We did have some funny times with the antics of the crew...it was about 0100hrs in Cabadelo and I was on the bridge checking the gear as we were sailing at three, when I heard a thump on the quay, looked over the bridge wing and there was the pantry boy legging it up the dock overcoat, case and all...called some of the crew to chase after him...he had fallen in love and was jumping ship to get married. I think it was the same trip we were in the Islands loading logs and one of the AB's came to me to say he had seen a local come onboard with a snake and when he left he did not have the snake..he was quite adamant..bloody big snake it was. Anyway it was all forgotten until we arrived in Las Palmas and one of the crew was ill and went ashore to the doctors and was put in hospital. Message came back to pack his gear and send it ashore, so his roommate who slept in the lower bunk started packing his gear..opened the drawer under his bunk to find this big snake curled up in the drawer, he nearly died of fright when he thought that he had been sleeping with the snake just below him.....of course the AB was vindicated, told you Second. Another time in Trinidad the stevedores used to swear something awful…we were sitting in Leckies cabin having a quiet beer…and this guy was shouting down number 3 hatch, what he was going ashore to do his wife and his mother and come back and do the same to him. Our scouse bosun one day had a word in the boss stevedores ear, saying that the crew all being Christians were very upset about all this cursing and swearing….anyway it certainly did the trick…until Friday afternoon when the head stevedore approached the bosun and asked him if he would like to come to their church on Sunday and read the lesson.

Abramhillside
28th June 2019, 09:19
Hi Guys,

I was up in Manaus in 1960s on the L+H Sheridan. Along with our sister ship Spencer we ran between New York, West Indies and Manaus and St lawrence in the summer months, you may remember us.

Met quite a few Booth ships up there and in the Amazon and our two ships were later transfered to Booth Line as the Cyril and Cuthbert. I also sailed on the Rubens, which became the Bernard, and sailed on her again when she came back to L+H as the Rossini.

Chris.

Hi Chris

Im in possession of my late brother Paul Abrams Chief Engineers reports from when he joined MN in Jan 65 until he left in 1980
He was with LH and started off on Ronsard and was engineer on Spenser from Feb 66 to Feb 67 before joining Ronsard again.
He then did stints on Veras, Veloz & Venimos up until 1972.
I've also got loads of pics but 50 years later can't really say what part of the world they are from!!! But I do remember he did the trips up the Amazon to Manaus and I've still got an old Winchester style rifle that he brought back telling me (I was only at primary school at the time) that it was used to shoot at the locals who tried to shimmy up the mooring ropes!!!
Also remember him returning from one trip and meeting him in Liverpool, he'd been away for what seemed like years, and he gave my mum a load of fillet steak to take back with us but the little freezer in the fridge wasn't big enough for it all so we were on best steak every night - a bloody luxury back then.
So many memories.
Regards - Alan

sternchallis
31st July 2019, 15:18
Is anybody in touch with Mike Lock, he was a Chief Officer with L&H and Booth Line and also sailed with BSl. He came from Hull.

Foca
5th August 2019, 08:36
I remember Mike Lock well, but I never sailed with him.....I did sail with his cousin Charlie Lock, who was 2nd Engineer on the "Dunstan" in 1965...like a lot of Booth men seem to dropped out of site.