Ellerman Wilson Line. ss “LIVORNO”

michael james
1st February 2006, 21:50
A friend of mine (without access to a pc) started his sea going career down the engine room of the Livorno in the late 1950`s – I have discovered that she was sold to Greek owners in 1967 and renamed Antonis. He would be very much obliged if any member can come up with any further information on her. MikeJ

nigelcollett
2nd February 2006, 13:38
Hi Mike

LIVORNO O.N. 181285 2957g 1464n 343.2x50.0x21.0 feet

Built by William Gray & Co Ltd West Hartlepool ( Yard No. 1192)

Launched 28.8.46 Completed Dec 46.

5.2.55 Damaged in collision with Swedish m.v. Torsholm

13.10.55 Damaged in collision with M.T. British Trust

Aug 59 Blacklisted by Arab League foe trading with Israel

23.8.67 Sold to Margerencia Cia Nav. S.A. Greece and r/n Antonis

Aug 1971 Laid up in Genoa

Feb 1973 Arrived La Spezia for breaking up

Regards

NigelC

michael james
2nd February 2006, 14:18
Nigel C, Thank you very much for this info, I will pass it on.
She had quite a interesting career it seems !
I am very much obliged to you. MikeJ

tercar
3rd February 2006, 19:34
just like to mention that I sailed as AB on the Livorno from Hull Oct 1955,
I had just got married on the 6th Oct. First the collision in fog in the Thames Estuary,then I broke my ankle leaving Tripoli, strapped up in Algiers.
We were supposed to be home for Christmas, but we were put to anchor off Lisbon until Boxing Day to save docking fees in London.
Pleased to say I am still married and we celebrated our Golden Wedding last October.

michael james
3rd February 2006, 23:20
tercar, 50 years and never a cross word ! Good reason to celebrate - well done both yourself and the Mrs.

My friend was on her later than you, 1961 (his first trip to sea) whilst she was "blacklisted" for trading to Haifa and Tel Aviv.
She was an oil burner in his time but remembers there being evidence of her possibly being a coal burner originally, ash shoots, stoke hold wing bunkers etc.

theaskew
6th August 2006, 17:12
HI I sailed on the SS Livorno in April 1959 (AB) from Hull/
the Captains name was JW BOTHEROYD.I did 2 voyages on her.
down the (MED) sorry i dont rember a lot about the voyages.
ARTIE

mikematthews
12th January 2008, 09:11
Hello

My dad Fred Matthews sailed with Wilsons, he was a motorman.
His discharge book shows him in the Livorno in the 1950s

Xantippe
22nd January 2008, 13:01
My father Arnold Snell was the Bosun on the Livorno in the early fifties. He let me steer her up the Thames when I was a child. Well that is how I remember it!

Tinkerboy
24th October 2008, 13:45
I sailed on the Livorno in April 1960. I remember there was not much in Hull so I went down to London for a ship. I wasn't to keen on Wilson boats, they were all old and chatty, When I got to West India Dock they offered me the Livorno, it was one trip out and back and off. We went to Cyprus and Haifa.

apttony
21st May 2009, 20:37
My grandfather was an Engineer (before he became 2nd or 1st) on the Livorno in 1905 & 1906. This was obviously an earlier ship, but does anybody have a further information or a photo of her?

Tony

terry8541
22nd May 2009, 14:46
Tony, Look in, www.photoship.co.uk I think you will find her there, Terry

apttony
26th May 2009, 20:32
Thanks Terry

I presume that it must have been the "Livorno-01" ?

Tony

terry8541
27th May 2009, 09:32
I would say without a doubt it was Tony, I was on "Livorno 02" 1957 to 1959, and I believe there were only two of them,
Terry

tommyt999
14th July 2012, 15:49
I joined the Livorno right after leaving the Vindicatrix, this would be about 1966.
Joined her in Hull and went down to the Med. I was a Deck boy, still have great memories.
Tommy

RedRobbo
4th October 2016, 00:52
In the mid to late 50s I was at primary school in Alfold, near Cranleigh in Surrey, and have memories of us being visited periodically by the captain of the SS Livorno who arrived in full fig, bearing gifts from afar. Once, this included a large lump of mineral from which, we were told, you could get toothpaste. Our fierce spinster of a head-mistress was noticeably cheerier when he visited! I am afraid I cannot remember the captain's name from this distance.

Aberdonian
4th October 2016, 09:09
Pumice stone from the Mediterranean island of Lipari which would be a likely place for the SS Livorno to call.

Keith

mikekhh
6th October 2016, 12:19
Sorry, folks, but there were actually three ships named LIVORNO in the EWL Fleet.

LIVORNO (1)
19 February 1870 launched by Humphrys & Pearson, Hull (Yard No. 9) for Brownlow, Lumsden & Co, Hull
Originally named MARSDIN
1870 Owners became Brownlow, Lumsden & Co
1875 Lengthened by ship builders and re-engined
1878 Acquired by Thos. Wilson, Sons & Co Ltd
1889 Renamed LIVORNO
14 March 1901 Sold to Sambur SS Co Ltd, Liverpool with TB Stott as Managers
01 June 1907 Stranded at Valsorarna, Gulf of Bothnia whilst on passage from Pitea to Liverpool with a cargo of wood; subsequently re-floated but declared a CTL and scrapped at Wasa

LIVORNO (2)
01 December 1909 launched by Earle’s Shipbuilding & Engineering Co Ltd, Hull (Yard No. 562) for Thos. Wilson, Sons & Co Ltd
January 1910 Completed
April 1935 Sold to Hellenic Lines Ltd, Piraeus with PG Callimanopulos as Managers and renamed TURKIA
17 May 1941 Destroyed by fire and explosion near Zafarana Light, Suez. Wilson, Sons & Co Ltd, after being abandoned by her Crew, when on passage from New York to Piraeus with general cargo and explosives

LIVORNO (3) as per Nigel Collett above

Two good books on EWL are:-
Wilson Line by John Harrower
The Wilson Line of Hull 1831 to 1981 by Arthur G. Credland and Michael Thompson

Cheers
Mike

saudisid
6th October 2016, 19:26
Sorry, folks, but there were actually three ships named LIVORNO in the EWL Fleet.

LIVORNO (1)
19 February 1870 launched by Humphrys & Pearson, Hull (Yard No. 9) for Brownlow, Lumsden & Co, Hull
Originally named MARSDIN
1870 Owners became Brownlow, Lumsden & Co
1875 Lengthened by ship builders and re-engined
1878 Acquired by Thos. Wilson, Sons & Co Ltd
1889 Renamed LIVORNO
14 March 1901 Sold to Sambur SS Co Ltd, Liverpool with TB Stott as Managers
01 June 1907 Stranded at Valsorarna, Gulf of Bothnia whilst on passage from Pitea to Liverpool with a cargo of wood; subsequently re-floated but declared a CTL and scrapped at Wasa

LIVORNO (2)
01 December 1909 launched by Earle’s Shipbuilding & Engineering Co Ltd, Hull (Yard No. 562) for Thos. Wilson, Sons & Co Ltd
January 1910 Completed
April 1935 Sold to Hellenic Lines Ltd, Piraeus with PG Callimanopulos as Managers and renamed TURKIA
17 May 1941 Destroyed by fire and explosion near Zafarana Light, Suez. Wilson, Sons & Co Ltd, after being abandoned by her Crew, when on passage from New York to Piraeus with general cargo and explosives

LIVORNO (3) as per Nigel Collett above

Two good books on EWL are:-
Wilson Line by John Harrower
The Wilson Line of Hull 1831 to 1981 by Arthur G. Credland and Michael Thompson

Cheers
Mike


Mike

I think Arthur G Credland was involved with Hull Maritime Mus.

Alan