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Tomvart



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The ships company of HM Submarine UTMOST displaying their Patrol Jolly Roger at Holy Loch in Scotland after a successful year's service in the Mediterranean in 1942
· Date: Wed, 28 February 18 · Views: 407
· Filesize: 39.6kb, 66.6kb · Dimensions: 800 x 596 ·
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Keywords: HMSm Utmost
Source of Image, If not your own: IWM
Location photo was taken: Holy Loch
Date photo was taken: 6 February 1942.
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spursnut
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Wed, 28 February 18 09:51

Wasn't Utmost one of those subs found by a French diver recently in the Med Tom?
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Tomvart

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Wed, 28 February 18 10:34

Not sure mate....most of the U class had busy eventful wars so its not surprising she was lost. i will need to get googling! wonder if she is alongside Forth or Maidstone?
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Tomvart

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Wed, 28 February 18 10:56

Couldn't find anything on her wreck discovery but did find an interesting transcript of her log from Aug 1940 through to her mysterious sinking on 23 November 1942:
https://uboat.net/allies/warships/ship/3540.html
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Tomvart

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Wed, 28 February 18 11:00

Spoke to too soon Ray!

Published in the Pompey News 12 Jan 2018!

A ROYAL Navy submarine wreckage found in the Mediterranean that played a significant role in destroying enemy fleet during the Second World War was deployed from Portsmouth. HMS Utmost is thought to be one of six British submarines recently discovered by a Belgian diver off the coast of Tunisia.
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spursnut
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Wed, 28 February 18 14:01

Ha, spoke too soon Tom!! Mind you I did think he was French so one all then!!
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Dartskipper

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Wed, 28 February 18 15:11

I hope the divers treat the wreck with due respect if she is also a grave.

(I had a discussion with other divers who were exploring the wreck of the troopship Narkunda off Bougie. I told them that she was the grave of the stokers and engineers who couldn't escape, and I never heard from them again. My Dad was a very junior 4th mate on Narkunda when she was bombed.)

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Tomvart

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Wed, 28 February 18 16:32

I don't think anyone really knows any facts about her loss to be honest, from what I have read - she just disappeared without trace, the Italian Navy claim to have atacked and sunk her, but this is disputed due to the large positional differences between her last radio report, the depth charge positions reported by the Italian Navy and her expected ETA in Malta..........either way she disappeared without trace and sadly all hands were lost, so wherever she is found...is a war grave in my mind?
One theory I read suggests that she more than likely got entangled in a minefield on her approaches to Malta.
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Wed, 28 February 18 16:50

As Roy has said, whatever the cause they should treat the wreck with total respect. It brings home the dangers of being a submariner when you take a look at the image posted Tom, nine months later she was gone. RIP to a brave crew.
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ThomasJohn
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Wed, 28 February 18 19:20

Navy History Net quotes "Her loss is recorded as being by depth charge attacks from the Italian torpedo boat GROPPO which had attacked a submarine on 25th November 1942"
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Thu, 1 March 18 05:00

TJ, that's also what wiki states - however this was contested by the Italian Navy command themselves when the claim was made, and this is reflected by some of the other websites where she is listed, mainly on positional grounds - but also because Groppos claim was unconfirmed by any evidence (flotsam/oil/bodies), Groppo after conducting 2 geographically different depth charge runs (laying limited patterns on each run), was then ordered to rejoin the convoy escort, which she did. Looking at the Uboat net listing for her, they also have her log transcriptions with overlaid positions from her radio reports leading up to her loss. Uboat net suggest that she was more than likely lost in a minefield based on her SOA and signalled ETA in Malta from her last report.
I am putting my eggs in that basket as the evidence seems more compelling.
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Tue, 23 July 19 02:34

Tomvart, thanks for the history on the Utmost. Can you please explain the Patrol Jolly Roger, Ie the bars and the daggers etc.
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