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Photo of a Soviet sailor, April 1981.
Large anti-submarine ship Stroyniy, Project 61...
· Date: Sun, 22 December 19 · Views: 293
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FG86
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Mon, 23 December 19 06:35

Interesting to see (if it is accurate) a project 61 Kashin class destroyer so close to Glasgow. From NATO perspective it was odd to call the Kashins -large ASW ship, as they were extremely noisy, being fitted with four first generation gas turbines and associated gearbox's the underwater noise was akin to a steam engine carrying a load of corrugated sheeting on a windy night. it was more accurate to call the Large ASW targets.
However as pure surface action destroyers they were more suitably equipped.
Glasgow appears to be at flying stations as only flight personnel are on teh deck, yet many goofers are crammed onto the quarter deck. I have the impression that the Russian ship is anchored or stationary, as Glasgow appears to have helm over to starboard judging by her stern wake so would be turning across the Russian bow, also if both ships were moving I very much doubt such a close encounter would be undertaken. An interesting photo.
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Thu, 26 December 19 13:38

Large anti-submarine ship, Project 61 NOT DESTROYER...
These are completely different classes of ships...
Photographed by a sailor from a large anti-submarine ship, Project 61 Stroyniy.
Yes, these ships had a characteristic sound from working turbines, so sailors called them "singing" frigates...
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Fri, 27 December 19 07:11

Sorry DDR, I should have clarified, Nato designated them Destroyers, not Warsaw pact.
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Sat, 28 December 19 16:31

20 ships of this class were built, unfortunately in 1974 the Otvazhny was lost along with most of her crew following a terrible fire whilst in the Black Sea. They were the world's first class of warship to rely solely on gas turbines, and interestingly could manage 36 kts at full chat. Carrying a (then) heavy AA armament. later modifications saw the addition of a variable depth Sonar and helicopter pad of some of the class. Sonar was basic with hull mounted medium frequency and VDS or on unmodified vessels just a hull mounted high frequency sonar.
Up against a RN type 42? well they would probably overwhelm a 42 with sheer firepower, sensor wise probably on equal footing, sea handling they are far superior.
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Sun, 29 December 19 00:26

I think this might have been the event highlighted from this previous post.
https://www.shipsnostalgia.com/galle...lasgow/cat/511
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Sun, 29 December 19 07:17

i don't think it is the same, as DDR states it is a project 61 Stroyniy (Kashin class) whereas the link is clearly a Kresta, Also the ground power flight deck flap is open on the link picture yet shut on the image above. However sea state looks similar, maybe taken during the same deployment yet different ships?
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Sun, 29 December 19 08:50

You wrote the wrong FG86...
Of the 287 personnel and the "Otvazhniy" practice of cadets, 24 were killed in the explosion (19 sailors and 5 cadets) ...
Here about the ships of Project 61...

There is detailed information...

In the photo by link a large anti-submarine ship, project 1134A Berkut-A (NATO: Kresta II Class) Admiral Isakov in 1981-82...These are different ships, different projects...
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Sun, 29 December 19 13:11

Thank you for the link, Interesting differences in the numbers of casualties, the records I saw state that the majority of the crew were lost, maybe they are including injured?
either way not a pleasant experience, I was also involved in a serious fire at sea in 1986, fortunately due to time of the incident the engine rooms were sparsely manned so we only had one minor casualty. even so it took many hours to bring the fire under control.
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Mon, 30 December 19 10:17

In the winter of 1978-79 near Bornholm Island, the ship was hit by the ice, the breach was large, in the "engine" stood in the water to the knees, in Sassnitz returned with difficulty... It was very scary...
After this occasion I don 't like winter and when it 's cold.
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