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WW1 Destroyer in Portsmouth Dry Dock
WW1 Destroyer in Portsmouth Dry Dock

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Need some help identifying this one.

Assuming it to be a British Destroyer, it is of 'Turtleback' design with a funnel code of either 31 or 39. Looks more like 31 to me, being of smaller diameter. Not close enough together for 30.

So if a Class A, this would limit it to HMS Sturgeon or HMS Sunfish.

If she's a Class C, she could be either HMS Albatrooss, Fairy, Falcon, Gipsy, Leven, Osprey, Ostrich or Violet.

The postcard was posted in 1907 so the date would all fit.

Well that's the extent of my amateur and limited knowledge. I am sure someone out there will spot a tell tale lifeboat davit or gun type that will pin her down ..!! I don't know what the significance of the number 4 on her bow is.
· Date: Tue, 25 August 09 · Views: 257
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Keywords: WW1, destroyer, dry dock, Portsmouth
Source of Image, If not your own: Original photographic postcard from my personal collection. Published by Gale and Ponden
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Cooky Boy
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Registered: January 2009
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Tue, 25 August 09 09:23

From a casual search, looks very much like an "A" Sunfish Class.
Wish I could afford some Janes, would make life much easier.
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RUMRAT
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Tue, 25 August 09 09:38

HMS VULTURE.Brazen Class
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threefunnels

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Tue, 25 August 09 10:14

Hi Dave,
I had discounted HMS Vulture because according to my information she had a funnel pattern 35m where the middle funnel is a larger diameter to the other two, and that doesn't seem to be the case in the photo, and, the 'm' denoting that the mast sits between the first and second funnels. It looks like the mast is forward of the first funnel in the photo.

Interested what led you to your conclusion - my information sources may be incorrect of course.
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Steve Woodward
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Tue, 25 August 09 15:17

Vulture did indeed carry the number 4 on her hull, however she had her mast between the first and second funnels, I'm away from base at the moment and so this is only a guess but Vulture is a good and close guess but one of her near sisters HMS Thorn carried the mast just aft of the fwd funnel.
The era these ships were built (late 1890's to early 1900's) was a race between two companies - Thomson (John Brown) and Fairfields to build the fastest torpedo boat destroyer and quite a few of these attempts fell below the required specs and speeds - 30 knots, which was really getting to the limit for recip steam engines, turbines were needed.
Heaven only knows what it was like in these tiny hulls, typically 220 feet long and just over 20 feet in the beam with two steam turbine engines and four boilers.
The boilers were vented one up the smaller fore and aft funnels and two back to back up the centre funnel, add this to magazines and aux machinery and there must have been pitifully little space left for the 60 man crew, thankfully the very short range of these ships meant they could only stay at sea 48 hours.
Assuming this is the Thorn ( and Im not certain) then her details were approx L 220
B 20' Draft 9' disp 420-430 tons
Machinery : twin screws, four Normand c/f boilers 6.500 bhp
Armament : one 12 pounder gun on the focsle- note the wheelhouse is under the gun!. two single mount 14" torpedo tubes and 60 crew
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threefunnels

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Tue, 25 August 09 15:45

Hi Steve ... the plot thickens. I just think that the funnel pattern is 31 rather than 35 as the middle funnel looks the same diameter as the other two?

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Steve Woodward
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Tue, 25 August 09 17:51

When I get home I will get all my stuff out on old destroyers and have a look-see, it's the prominent ring frames below the 12 pounder that jog my memory
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