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Frank P



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I took this photo in 1970's I am not sure were it is I think it is in the West Indies, Grenada or Martinique?? Maybe somebody out there recognises the harbour, see the small island in the bay.
· Date: Wed, 28 September 05 · Views: 293
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Frank P

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Wed, 28 September 05 05:53

Look at the prominent bow, I think the Royal Viking Star was one of the first cruise ships to have such an acute angled bow?? Does anybody know of any other ship's that had a similar bow angle???

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Fri, 14 October 05 14:01

fantastic really enjoying your'e royal viking photos,i remember one of the vikings not sure if it was SKY or SEA in auckland with a slightlly turned up bow after a huge wave had hit her,this was back in the mid 70's then newspaper of the day had a headline saying VIKING LADY IN TOWN WITH A RINKELD NOSE
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Fri, 14 October 05 17:18

Hi Royal Viking,

I don't remember either the "R V Sea" or the "R V Sky" getting their bow damaged. The one with the bow damage was the Royal Viking Star, I was onboard at the time, it happened while we were crossing from Southampton to New York in September 1973 in very bad weather, a lot of the passengers were seasick. I have a photo of the dented bow (somewhere) I will post the photo when I find it. The bow was not repaired immediately, I think that the company waited until we went in to drydock for maintenance.

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Fri, 14 October 05 17:55

Hi Frank.
The first RCCL ships (Song of Norway, Nordic Prince and Sun Viking) were ordered about 2 years before the Royal Viking trio. Also from Wartsila and with the same bow, which was developed for RCCL. The entire design of all six ships was an extrapolation of the ferry Finlandia.
Secondly I am sure that the patrol boat in your photo is French. Seems to suggest the location is Martinique.

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Fri, 14 October 05 18:50

Hi Fred,
Thanks for that, I remember seeing the 3 RCCL ships that you mention occasionally in the Caribean, at 18,000tns they were 3,500 tns less than the RVL ships but they carried 50% more passengers (780 against 500), the RCCL ships were more like ferries. They survived because the one/two week passengers liked them.

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Fri, 14 October 05 19:17

There was a sort of cut and patch leapfrog between the two groups of ships. The three RVL ships had individual owners and after the 1973 OPEC inspired tanker crises, A F Klaverness, the owner of Royal Viking Sea was forced to sell. RCCL offered to buy her and carried out a study into increasing her capacity to that of the RCCL ships by adding a centre section. At the last moment the other two RVL owners exercised their pre-emption rights and the deal fell through.
This study inspired RCCL to add a 26 metre section into Song of Norway in 1978, which increased her tonnage from 18,416 to 23,005 grt and her passenger capacity from 724 to 1,196. A similar alteration was performed on Nordic Prince in 1980. The planned change to Sun Viking was cancelled because of the financial problems facing Gotaas-Larsen.
RVL performed similar surgery on their ships, starting with Royal Viking Star in 1981. Her size increased from 21,847 to 28,221 grt, which enabled her passenger capacity to be increased from 539 to 812.

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Sat, 15 October 05 05:31

Hi Fred,

From what I read on the intenet, the lengthening of the RVL ships was the main factor in the demise of Royal Viking Line. The people who go on a 7 day or 10 day cruise out of Miami on a RCCL ship, are not the same kind of people who would go on a 90 day Circle Pacific cruise with RVL. We had some passengers who stayed 3-4 months on the \"Royal Viking Star\". While I was onboard the ship, the passengers with the longest stay was 8 months and they had a couple of the most expensive suites.

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Sat, 15 October 05 06:59

I think there were two problems. Firstly it is very hard to make money in the luxury sector of any market. A small charge to a lot of people is often better than a big price charged to a few. Secondly Royal Viking started well but failed to maintain its market share. Really they were not getting new passengers as fast as the existing passengers were dropping out, through infirmity or death.
Royal Viking lengthened the ships in an effort to attract new customers. It was only partially successful.

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Sat, 15 October 05 07:33

I think the timing also had something to do with it, from what I have read, the 1980's were not some of the best time's for people with alot of disposable income(they were having a rough time). When i was onboard the R V Star 1973/6 we sailed mainly to capacity and the ship was most of the time profitable. In 1976 a 90 day cruise in a suite cost something like 20,000 each.

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