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Saga Ruby
Flåm, Norway
8 August 2010
· Date: Sat, 16 January 16 · Views: 291
· Filesize: 105.1kb, 111.5kb · Dimensions: 1024 x 681 ·
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Keywords: Saga Ruby
Source of Image, If not your own: My own
Location photo was taken: Flåm
Date photo was taken: 8 August 2010
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CliveH
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Sat, 16 January 16 03:43

Beautiful. I was lucky to have sailed three times aboard this ship; twice when she was Vistafjord and once when she was Saga Ruby. Such a pity this lovely ship is no longer in service.

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poseidon9
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Sat, 16 January 16 05:01

How was it in the "good old days of cruising" with ships of P & O, Cunard, Norwegian American, etc. with the crews? What was the nationality of cabin stewards and waiters and other hotel crew? Nowadays there are lots of stewards from the Philippines and other countries in Asia. Did they have the Filipinos already in 1970s or were the stewards from England, Norway, etc. (countries of origin of the owner). I have understood that for instance P & O has traditionally had crew from India and other countries outside of Europe for instance in galley. Did they have in 1970s that "all attentive" cabin steward system like nowadays (with stewards always somewhere close by all over the day)?
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Tomvart

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Sat, 16 January 16 06:09

Beautiful ship, I had the pleasure of visiting her in Swan Hunters with my late Dad just before she departed the for Norway and delivery to the customer.
He was very proud of this ship and she always had a soft spot in his heart when he used to reminisce about some of the ships Swans produced, I could see why as she was really well appointed tween decks and stunning classical lines.
He helped take her to Norway with a Swans steaming crew as the overseeing machinery Ch/eng, apparently they had a hair raising passage north going through some really rough weather in the North Sea.
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CliveH
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Sat, 16 January 16 08:37

poseidon9, When I sailed on Vistafjord, in 1977 and 1978, her public room stewards were a mix of Norwegian, German and Austrian. The cabin stewardesses were Norwegian as were the officers. I don't know about the deck crew but I'd imagine that it was a similar mix. When I sailed aboard the Queen Elizabeth 2, in 1983, she had an all British crew. I believe that changed during the following year. P&O were well-known for having crews, deck, cabins and public rooms, from the Indian sub-continent. I have not sailed with P&O since 2001 so I expect that may well have changed. My most memorable experiences with crew members from the Philippines have all been bad ones.

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poseidon9
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Sat, 16 January 16 11:51

Thanks CliveH for reply about the crews. Nowadays they have mostly the globalized crew. I don't know about the top end luxury market, how matters are there. Anyway I have understood that also Sea Cloud has or used to have some Philippines crew, don't know, if that's correct.
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CliveH
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Sat, 16 January 16 12:24

poseidon9, I have sailed on Sea Cloud too and whilst I remember that she had an American master I only have a hazy recollection of the rest of the crew, they may well have been from the Philippines but I cannot be sure. But then, that is surely how it should be, the staff should be efficient and unobtrusive. Everything about sailing on Sea Cloud was sheer perfection.

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Frank P

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Sun, 17 January 16 05:45

poseidon9,

I sailed with Royal Viking Line on the Royal Viking Star for 3 years 1973 - 1976 and the crew was as follows, Deck and engine room mainly Norwegian (Bergen Line), Stewardess's were also mainly Norwegian with a couple of Swedes thrown in... The Hotel dept, waiters and cooks etc, were mainly European with only a few Norwegians.....

During that time I visited the Vistafjord and Sagafjord and they had similar crewing arrangements.....

Cheers Frank
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poseidon9
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Sun, 17 January 16 11:34

OK, thanks for information about crew nationalities. It would be interesting to find out the present configuration of crews on cruise lines. On Carnival, Norwegian and Royal Caribbean the crews are very multinational. On European ferries they are still mostly from the country of origin of the owner.
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NAUCLER
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Sun, 17 January 16 13:43

Very nice photo of a very fine liner - she looks as always nice, even if I hink her appearance in grey hull was much more handsome. Her older original design sister SAGAFJORD of 1965 had even more handsome soft lines, but there was nothing to complain on VISTAFJORD's design in any form. In older days one could even see on the ship drawings which nationality should live in what quarters on board, "Goanese", "Asians" and I think I have even seen "Europeans" on some ship plans (1930's-1950's), etc... - something like that would render a long court process in our days - so everything was not better in golden older days... but ship design was indeed more handsome for our eyes!!! What are the plans for good old VISTAFJORD nowadays - she wouldn't hardly be turned into floating ship museum even in the golden oil rich Norway, her either... Will she survive some further years somewhere? Any ideas?
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RGascoyne

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Sun, 17 January 16 15:21

I sailed round the Horn on this magnificent ship when she was Caronia.
In the 60s on visiting ss Kenya I was told and saw many crew from Goa in the galley and passenger areas.
After the fall of the Berlin Wall, many western cruisers started to use East Europeans, but this did not seem to work too well and did not last too long.
Holland America always seemed to have many Indonesian catering people, from their colonial history, but lately they now have almost as many from the Philippines. I have always found both groups to be the best for a happy, smiling service experience.
I always thought that the 66 Strike was the death knell for British crews throughout and, generally now, it is rare to meet local nationals from the ship owners' origins.
Schools for catering staff are now running in China and recently many on Mariner of the Seas were graduates, quickly trying to improve their English.
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Fri, 22 February 19 11:08

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