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GRAND PRINCESS
Leaving Lisbon.

Lisbon, May 9th 2007

IMO nb - 9104005
Call sign - ZCBU5
Port of Registry - Hamilton
Flag - Bermuda
Builder - Fincantieri
Built year - 1998
Gross Tonnage - 108806 t
Net Tonnage -
Deadweight -
Length over all - 289,51 m
Beam - 40,20 m
Depth -
Draft - 8,5 m
Passenger capacity - 3300
Engine -
Power -
Seped - 22,5 knots
Owner - Fairline Shipping
Manager - Princess Cruises
Former names - Princess Cruises "[url=http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/gallery/showgallery.php/cat/all/si/9104005]GRAND PRINCESS (2)[/url]" [1998- ]
Sisterships - Princess Cruises "[url=http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/gallery/showgallery.php/cat/all/si/9192351]GOLDEN PRINCESS (2)[/url]" [2001- ], Princess Cruises "[url=http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/gallery/showgallery.php/cat/all/si/9192363]STAR PRINCESS (2)[/url]" [2002- ]

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Aren't you all tired of saying nothing but bad of these ships?

Fine, you don't like it, but is it necessary for you - those who don't like them - to always make your statement...? Almost every photo of these vessels have comments like these.

I find her a very good looking ship, expecially thanks to her bow and stern.

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I agree Pedro. The Grand class are very popular ships and a large number of their new passengers come to them because they are impressed by their looks. Can you point us to a good looking car carrier Emmanuel? That would be interesting!

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This is what you get when you cross-breed a shopping cart with a duck.
I definitely prefer the lines of ships like the CARNIVAL FREEDOM, or the RADIANCE-class of RCCL.

Fred, there isn't much science in a car carrier: It's a large floating box, designed to take has much cars as possible.
If you like your ships simple and functional, then a car carrier is what you are looking for.

Now, what you get when you add several hundred balconies on a ship like this: http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/photos/412808.jpg ?
A GRAND PRINCESS.

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Today I visited STAR PRINCESS in Lisbon and if you don't like the outter lines, is impossible to dislike the inner ones. Absolutely magnificent! Her interior is far beyond beautiful...

I don't know the inside of other cruise ships, but this is impressive!
 

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Stunning they might be but not innovative that's for sure.

Compare this room on the EMPRESS OF BRITAIN (2):
http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/gallery/data/520/medium/EmpressBritain.jpg

With a room of similar function on the STAR PRINCESS:
http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/StarPrincessPhotos/StarPrincess-int-04-SeaPix.jpg

Not much different, and they are separated by 70 years... talk about evolution (MAD)

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Paulo Mestre
 

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What would be evolution, Paulo? Chairs that are hanging from the ceiling or that float?

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PB
 

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If interior design evolves in that direction, why not?

Now, instead of trying to emulate, why not innovate:
http://www.interiordesign.net/contents/slideshow/idw_0704_jamesbeard_7.jpg
http://www.interiordesign.net/contents/slideshow/idw_0704_jamesbeard_8.jpg

If the ships are getting bigger, they should be getting bolder... perhaps they need some ideias: http://www.interiordesign.net/id_article/CA6411097/id

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Paulo

The photographer for the interior shot of the Empress of Britain was either very bad at figures or he was on the wrong ship. Empress of Britain was 25,516 grt not the 42,500 tons he quotes on the card. She carried a maximum of 160 first and 894 tourist class passengers. Grand Princess carries a maximum of 3,300 passengers in a single class. The Empress of Britain photograph looks to be of the first class dinning room where set meals were served at rigidly fixed times. The Grand Class have six dinning rooms in a variety of styles with free-style dining at what ever time the passengers wish to eat. I feel that things have moved on in 50 years.

Empress of Britain entered service in 1956. She was a commercial failure and was withdrawn in 1963 after only 7 years service. She was chartered out as a cruise ship for a year, but that was a failure. She was sold to Goulandris who gave her a major refit for 1,313 passengers, which kept her in business until 1975 when her owning company went bust. She then had the good fortune to be bought by Carnival who spent $5 million converting her into a proper cruise ship with accommodation for 950 passengers and for the first time in her life she made money and had a secure future.

Grand Princess was delivered in 1998. During the past 9 years she has consistently sailed with a full load of passengers. The Grand class are very popular with cruise passengers and are very profitable ships.

Commercial ships are only built to make money for their owners. For a car carrier, tanker, container ship or bulk carrier appearance is of little or no consequence to the build decision. Cruise ships need to attract their passengers to make money. The Grand Class are very good at doing this. Some of our members dislike them, which is their privilege. Carnival will not be too concerned; the ships are sailing with a full passenger load on every voyage.

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Fred, that is the EoB of 1930, not 1956.
If you look closely this what you would find on a 1930's liner, not on the mid 1950's.

Of course Carnival only cares on selling their product, they don't even look at what they have to sell... they now that if you set your ship like a big fancy Mall, with a load of balconies and pools on top, you will have a winning recipe, the target clientele isn't looking for anything else, other than a cheap way of carrying them to the beaches of the Caribbean.

Their costumers (not passengers) don't care for much more... the average cruisegoer nowadays only says: "So what if the walls are covered with fancy veneers or cheap wood, or the floor is covered in marble or a ugly carpet, just bring us the food, the drinks and the watersports".

Ships like this will always be oriented for the masses, selling for the masses, thus I don't expect anything changing in the near future, that is why the ships of RCCL or CCL/Princess or NCL will always look the same, despite of the brand: pastiche and uninspired.

The problem isn't the companies... are the masses.

Best regards from Lisbon,
Paulo Mestre
 

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