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A greek tramp discharges wheat in Hamburg. The grain is sucked out of her hold and blown into the barges at her side. 1960 or earlier.

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Nice period foto, Stein.
We had a few Loads of grain in Hamburg and Rotterdam where we went alongside a large ocean tramp like this

Of course they are all coasters, not barges :)
 

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Hi Bearsie. "River barges" the caption says. When is a river barge a coaster? (The Thames sailing barges could and did traverse deep water). I think of a river barge as something long and narrow, built as a row of bricks with a bow and stern, hatches nearly to the ship's side, and with a pretty low freeboard when loaded. At least some of these vessels fits that description, as far as I can see. The bright painted one with her anchors starkly in sight maybe not, but what about the one inside her? And number three from outside? Just asking, friendlywise! Stein
 

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They all look like river sea ships to me, so there is a sort of cross over area.
But barges (or inland ships as the germans and dutch call them) unlike ships have no raised foc'sle and no masts with cargo gear pointing into the sky.
Size is not a determinator, since some river "barges" are bigger than coasters by quite a bit, its other marks that identify them, lenght of hull versus width.
No raised foc'sle (bow), big squarish windows where coasters have port holes,
high masts,different hatches (rain cover only) no plimsoll mark and free board, less draft, draft of course wouldn't be visible in a picture.
Almost forgot the little "cottage" at the bow for the crew member on most barges. Some of these details are not visible in this picture due to the angle.
So I went by general appearance, although in the days of the sailing / barge/ coaster these differences would have been less pronounced.

PS: looking at it with a magnifying glass, some of the vessels #3, #7 might be that funny class, classified as estuary traffic licensed vessel (or whatever the proper german title was at the time)
Your picture of Hull shows all barges, dumb barges at that :)
 

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Okay Bearsie. To tell the truth, I did know you're an expert, and therefore expected you to be in the right, although my text said otherwise. I just enjoy disputing a little bit, do enjoy having you lay out the facts, and did - in all truthfulness - consider those vessels to be a little on the small side. All the best! Stein.
 

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Well, at 17 I didn't care all that much but I was always a curious fellow :)
So a bit later in life I got into history and this and that...
Something similar can probably be said for any coastal area, but since the picture is in Hamburg...
I find the history of shipping on the lower Elber river fascinating!
Most of these small coaster owners used to be farmers and built small ships to take their harvest to market, then the neighbors , then every ones...
and with so many small harbors they was good reason to have small ships.
I bet 10 øre that none of the grain in your picture went on a truck, most likely all of it went to the local mills directly in these little ships :)
I only know a few things about Norway . Like the Lade Jarl and all that stuff
and Tømmer lafting :) But even after the Jakten and Jekte were replaced by more modern ships the small towns on the islands and inside the fjords were most likely supplied by similar little freighters, although without river traffic they wouldn't need to be "river sea" ships with fold down mast and low wheel houses.
You know, this SN forum is the greatest place I have run into in years!
And cool folks like You and Letterkenny and.. and... and ...
The pictures make the memory real, Stein :) Tusen Takk :)

PS.: Almost like we just slipped the lines yesterday and will be right back with another load :)
 

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Hi Bearsie. The Lade Jarl (Jarl:earl) I'm not sure about, a group of viking mini-kings or something? I think I remember a Håkon Lade-jarl, but I'm not sure. Anyway, mentioning Norwegian coasters I remembered a book I must reccomend all members. It's called Tramp, was published 86/87 in US, UK and Australia. Is the result of an author, M. Krieger and a photographer J. Howard tramping around the world photographing old tramps and inteviewing their crews. Absolutely stunning pictures. Two small Norwegian coasters and 18 other old ships, mostly coasters, who all belonged in a museum. If you come across it, do take a peek inside! Calendar pictures of battered old hulls that never could be published as calendars, and some smashing yarns too!
 

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I have the book ! (K)
Actually the best story in it is the old swedish coaster under turkish flag "Aksel", the norwegian 50ton coaster owned by a helicopter pilot hauling Hytta's and most of all the very old little coaster from Denmark with the old captain, ex german "Pionier" :)
As far as Lade Jarl he ran what is now Trondhjem ex Nidaros not too far from Sticklestad, some interesting stories around there...
We have relatives in Ekne, just a few miles up the fjord from Trondhjem.
 

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