Stephen J Card's post of this painting led to comments on the apparent difference of perspective between the bow area and the rest of the ship. I maintained the bow perspective was wrong, and I believe the above diagram proves it. This does not detract from the overall brilliance of the work.
Aye, nautical terminology is as tricky as medical. I'll defend hawsehole, however, as long as my dictionary does (a hole for a ship's cable). Anchor ports seemed a logical equivalent to, say, gun ports - except you can't actually pass any part of the anchor through them (at least not from inboard to outboard). But let's not get bogged down in technical terms; my point is simply to claim that Walter Thomas, like many other good painters, tried to get a little too much of the far side of the bow into his picture (and to defend that claim, when disputed by hawsehole-deniers et al).
Regards to all.
Hawsehole or hawse-hole appears in almost every glossary of nautical terms I've looked at. Some confine its use to the hole for the anchor chain, others don't. I can't believe all these glossaries were compiled by landlubbers - but who knows? I suspect that if I were to ask SN users for the preferred terms for a a hole for a hawser and b a hole for an anchor chain I'd get a variety of responses. But as I said, let's not get bogged down in technical terms - at least not when the thread is about something else.
Splice my mainbrace and keelhaul my binnacles! Panama leads now. This thread is taking on a life of its own and turning remorselessly into another nautical glossary. Maybe I should stop swimming upstream and go with the flow. Panama leads were adopted originally for towed transit of the Panama canal, I understand. Now they're used to take anchor-chains through the side of a ship? Well, I'll eat my (Panama) hat!
Just a short one.... I wouldn't use HAWSEHOLE - better term is FAIRLEAD... also as PANAMA LEAD
HAWSE PIPE... is where you would pass down a HAWSER or CABLE to attach to anchors. Admiralty Manual of Seamanship. I try not to use for names or parts in shipping.... better to find old books... as in Admiralty Manual of Seamanship.... even the early one... like 1912. ;-)
Ian, I must apoligise about using that VOLTAIRE paining of Walter Thomas. That image was my photo taken at Liverpool Museum. Just snapped without thinking about what I was doing. I was lower than the painting and not in the centre.. all distorted in the image... and then cropped. I may have made the situation worse. Even more... the artists like Shosmith and Thomas were closer to the mark....than artists like Rosenvinge... vanish points all over the place!
For seeing the part of the foscle....' that can't see on the other side of the stem'.... depends the shape of the deck plan... some ships very narrow and some are very 'blunt'. Compare say... MAURETANIA (07_ with say HIGHLAND MONARCH. Also... it depends if you are close up... or distant.... and if you are doing a painting close up (and can't see around) and use image as if you are distance (and CAN see around)... then you get a MIX of BOTH... as in the Thomas painting. I'm not being very helpful. These things are going in paintings all the time. There is no quick answer. Most of the time it is just a gut feeling that something that is right... and easy to get completely wrong! For the last six weeks I have been doing a painting of the s.s ROTTERDAM. Large painting... 32 x 54. 11 ships in the painting.... 5 of them tugs! Well, made the drawing.... thought it was all right so went on painting. All complete and then our friend artist on SN... Willem Johan... said he saw some mistakes. One of them I had all the wheelhouse windows completely wrong... and another tug.... was at least 25% bigger than it should be! Tried to 'correct it'. After two days or work I had to scrape it all down.... and repaint the tug... in the correct size. More major... I had one large tug, the Smit tug THAMES in the scene... behind on the Parkade.. shows Euromast. Well... THAMES might have been there because Euromast was not yet finished! So.... kept it all there... said it was a year later. To make it correct.... repaint the funnel of THAMES and give her the colours of Overseas Towage & Salvage with her later name SALVONIA. Good friend and Maas Pilot pointed out that SALVONIA was probably not there at all... might be at Maasluis. I told the pilot that I was putting SALVONIA there as OTS now had that beautiful and was parading all up and down the Maas to show off her with a night red ensign! I had already included an Everard ship... to have a red ensign. Hey... my painting... my ships. ;-) I will put up a photo on the gallery later. Good luck!