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QE and Normandie

Queen Elizabeth and Normandie are seen docked side-by-side in New York at piers 91, and 88 respectively. Based on an earlier color view, the Normandie already appears to have her white superstructure painted grey, so I would assume the work would have taken place after the fall of France on 10 May,

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I think you mean that her superstructure is now painted grey?
I note also in other posts that the Ile De France was painted in the same scheme at around the same period.

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She is shown being painted as grey. Look at the large windows of Prom Deck. Just at the curve you can see the outboard is painted white and inboard is grey.

OK. A bit of trivia... if we can find. We know that LIZZIE came in with most of the lifeboats missing. When she left NY on 13 Nov she had a full complement of boats. They were all the John Brown's boats. How did they get them over? Obviously by ship, but how and when?

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Wow Stephen, that's a tough one to answer. If anybody knows the answer, it will probably be Clive. He wrote one of the best books on the ship yet seen. It makes you wonder if Cunard sent one of their own cargo ships over with everything that would be needed to complete the ship to the point of being fully fitted out. I wonder too how they got the boats on board, do you think the cables of her own davits would be used to hoist them up from the deck of the other ship?

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This is why the questions. The boats of the MARY and ELIZABETH were quite larger than any other liners of the period. Would have been difficult to lift them from davits of any other ship... even MAURETANIA. To put them on as 'deck cargo' is more likely on more than one ship. No problem lifting them, a simply wire span attached from the hooks and lift by shore crane or from ship's derrick. Probably from Glasgow too.

Another question. Why they didn't pick up all the boats before they sailed? Perhaps the boats were not yet finished and had to be sent later. In any event there were only eight boats to be fitted. She was in New York for almost eight months. Not a big problem.

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Clyde (cunard61) Thank you for your kind words regarding my book on the Queen Elizabeth. Sadly, I do not know the answer to the question regarding her boats at the time of her first dash across the Atlantic to New York. Indeed, to confuse the issue even further, pages 38 and 39 of my book has illustrations showing the Queen Elizabeth with an almost complete compliment of boats on her port side and about 7 boats on her starboard side and this was the arrangement of her boats when she made that first Atlantic voyage. She remained at her New York berth for 8 months before making her voyage to Singapore where she was refitted for war work. Whether or not more boats were delivered to her during those 8 months, I do not know. I do not have any photographs of her either leaving New York or arriving in Singapore, which would at least go some way towards answering the question.
 

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To Clive, I have Ringo Varisco's large tome on the QE. There is a photo of the vessel leaving her jetty with a full array of lifeboats on her stbd side. It has to be leaving NY cos Normandie is alongside .

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Alan, Thanks for that. So that means that boats were delivered to her at some time during those 8 months that she was alongside in New York. Interesting to know what ship delivered them and when.
 

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