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Torture irons, British convict ship Success. Built 1840, became a prison hulk in Australia in 1852, first with men as prisoners, later with women and boys. After that career, she had a certain success as an exhibition ship in England, US and Canada. And the above photograph is taken during that part

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Worth a read is: The Fatal Shore. The epic of Australia's founding, by Robert Hughes,(ISBN: 0394570898) which takes in the fact that Britains ruling class set this transportation of convicts in motion, but as in all things everybody gets tarred with the same brush especially the workers.
 

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Since it was no longer possible to plunder Africa for slaves they had to find a new supply.
They were being humane after all since the penalty for theft of a loaf of bread was normally hanging.
(There doesn't appear to be a smilie for tongue in cheek remarks.)
I can't think of a possible use for a bear/man trap on board a ship but maybe I'm being naïve.
Kris
 

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I don't think justice or being humane come into Britains ruling classes thinking, as they used to pay the the transporters before they shipped the convicts, and only later, paid them after transportation, when the penny dropped that more would arrive alive to fuel their land grab from the Aboriginies.

Yeah, I think their should be tongue in cheek smilies.
 

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Kris,
I think the more humane penalty for theft of a loaf of bread is hanging, being sent to Australia is far worse!
Rgds.
 

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Now, now Geoff, I know you had a bad night recently, but just remember, they're only games!

Everyone wants to judge what happened 200 years ago by today's standards.
The stories of convicts being transported for stealing loaves of bread and handkerchieves are largely mythical. Most of the transportees' crimes were much more serious.

My wife is descended from a convict who, along with his brother, was sentenced to death for sheep stealing in Herefordshire. Stealing a sheep may not sound much today, but, in those times, one sheep and its wool, offspring and meat could keep a family going for years, so it was a pretty serious crime. The ancestor had his sentence commuted to 12 years transportation and ended up in Tasmania where he got into more bother. There is no word of what happened to his brother, so it looks like he didn't get the soft option.

Maybe the bear trap is what the convicts used when they were stealing bears. Nowadays all that paraphernalia is replaced with a can of capsi*** spray - that's progress.

John T.
 

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Would be good to see some of that gear used on the designers of some of the cruise ships.
 

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John,

Hence the saying when "going for it" - "I may as well be hanged for a cow as a sheep!".

There's an old pub out in Wales, not too far from Trawsfynnydd, up in the hills and in the middle of nowhere. It was used as the site of the circuit assizes and the steps for the gallows are there. In the wall are stone "shelves" where the executed sheep stealers etc. were layed for their relations to claim the body to bury it. Yes, sheep stealing was a very serious crime!

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Dave
 

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Dave,

Ok then, but in those bygone days what was the penalty for having relations with a sheep?

Here in New Zealand, being world leaders in social legislation, the Goverment is shortly to enact law legalising sex across the species.

Rgds,

Geoff.
 

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Stealing sheep was a heinous crime but "pinching" one is just foreplay.

Geoff, I hope you're kidding about the new legislation, but, if you're not, would any children of the relationship be "baastards"?

John T.
 

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Hey Geoff.........never forget, the first Australians were picked by the best judges in England !!
 

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