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kewl dude 16th June 2017 23:42

USS FITZGERALD/ACX CRYSTAL collision (merged threads)
 
http://tinyurl.com/y7mw5wxt

<https://news.usni.org/2017/06/16/destroyer-uss-fitzgerald-collides-japanese-merchant-ship>

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKBN1972SW

USS Fitzgerald collided with containership ACX Crystal 56 miles off Yokohama

I guess uploading images to SN is broke? I waited ten minutes for a
9821.46 KB Fitzgerald damage picture to up load then gave up.

Greg Hayden

Geoff Gower 17th June 2017 10:22

Seven Missing, Three Injured After U.S. Navy destroyer Collides With Containership Of
 
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By Idrees Ali and Tim Kelly (Reuters) Seven sailors are missing and three injured after a U.S. Navy destroyer collided early on Saturday morning with a Philippine-flagged container ship south of Tokyo Bay in Japan, the U.S. Navy said.
The Japanese Coast Guard said the destroyer was experiencing some flooding but was not in danger of sinking, while the merchant vessel was able to sail under its own power.
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The U.S. Navy said in a statement the USS Fitzgerald, an Aegis guided missile destroyer, collided with a merchant vessel at about 2:30 a.m. local time (1730 GMT), some 56 nautical miles southwest of Yokosuka, a rare incident on a busy waterway.
Three aboard the destroyer had been medically evacuated, including the ship’s commanding officer, Cmdr. Bryce Benson, who was reportedly in stable condition after being airlifted to the U.S. Naval Hospital on the Yokosuka base, the Navy said.
The other two injured were transferred to the hospital to treat lacerations and bruises, it said. The Fitzgerald, the Japanese Coast Guard and Maritime Self-Defense Force were searching for the seven missing sailors.
Benson took command of the Fitzgerald on May 13. He had previously commanded a minesweeper based in Sasebo in western Japan.

Ron Stringer 17th June 2017 10:59

"Images of the container ship following the collision show damage on the port bow, suggesting the destroyer was attempting to give way to the merchant ship ahead of the impact."

Mm-m-m. Maybe, maybe not.

sternchallis 17th June 2017 11:24

US Destroyer hits Container ship
 
How does that happen.
A Naval ship that is top heavy with radar and a GM problem with all the bods on the bridge, how do you hit a darn great container ship. All those steel containers on deck in all colours a good radar signature and very visible.
Presumably the container ship did not have a good British complement of Officers and crew, but maybe a dog on watch and they didn't hear him bark, too much Ouzo.

But then the Old man of (was it ) HMS Edinburgh off the coast of Australia hit that rock, that was on the chart.
The excuse was they were taking on a helicopter at the time, so obviously nobody was minding the shop and they nearly sunk it.
Had it not been for the Engineer officers shoring up bulkheads and reducing the flooding it would have sunk. The Engineer Officer got the MBE for his effort and double promotion.
The old man obviously go the DCM 'Don't Come Monday' and a bar to his CDM "Cadbury's Dairy Milk".

The Mark 1 Eyeball is still not redundant despite all these electronic gizmos. Electronic assisted collisions?

Just reminds me of the U tube clip of the US warship arguing with a lighthouse keeper.

Davie M 17th June 2017 11:30

Interesting damage to both ships. US ship starboard side, container ship port bow.

Stephen J. Card 17th June 2017 11:34

That bulbous bow is a real killer! Anchors stowed on those 'horns' can rip a 'tin can' in seconds.

The container vessel is the ACX CRYSTAL bound Nagoya to Tokyo Bay.

Stephen J. Card 17th June 2017 11:37

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Originally Posted by Davie M (Post 2511497)
Interesting damage to both ships. US ship starboard side, container ship port bow.


Either they were in a converging 'overtaking' situation or the USS Fitzgerald went to port. We will find soon enough.

sternchallis 17th June 2017 11:47

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Originally Posted by Stephen J. Card (Post 2511521)
Either they were in a converging 'overtaking' situation or the USS Fitzgerald went to port. We will find soon enough.

Still no excuse, even in confined waters. Look at the number of ships going up and down the English Channel and crossing it at various speeds and sizes.

Stephen J. Card 17th June 2017 11:52

No, no excuse at all... unless there was some good reason... like keeping a bad lookout.

Tony Selman 17th June 2017 11:53

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This image capture from Marine Traffic shows that the container ship has done some form of U Turn. We don't know what the warship was up to as that is not tracked. To me as a layman I would have thought that a fast and highly manoeuvrable warship could perhaps have got itself out of the way as the track shows the container vessel made the turn and carried on for a while before the collision.

sternchallis 17th June 2017 12:10

Quote. However, the USS Fitzgerald is one of the most advanced warships in the world - with highly sophisticated radars systems.
It doesn't matter how many toys they have to play with, if they cannot use them to avoid things like this and have somebody to make the correct decision having seen all the screens.

What happened to Mark 1 EYEBALL and rules of the road at sea.

Later will come the investigation into how one of the world's most sophisticated warships failed to avoid colliding with a 30,000-tonne cargo ship on a calm, clear night.

You will note they didn't show the track of the US ship. I wonder why.
It also said they didn't know where it was going and neither did their old man if it hit a containership.

It might have been a busy area, but so is the English Channel, which years ago without all the toys they have now as probably busier than now due to the volume of ships trading with the UK and continent. Ships are larger now so fewer ships.
The docks round Britain's coasts used to be packed with ships, unlike now.

expats 17th June 2017 12:27


This urban legend comes to mind!

Stephen J. Card 17th June 2017 12:42

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Originally Posted by Tony Selman (Post 2511553)
This image capture from Marine Traffic shows that the container ship has done some form of U Turn. We don't know what the warship was up to as that is not tracked. To me as a layman I would have thought that a fast and highly manoeuvrable warship could perhaps have got itself out of the way as the track shows the container vessel made the turn and carried on for a while before the collision.


Yes, a pity the US vessel did not have their AIS 'working'.

I think the 'U' turns were done after the collision and came back to render assistance. Just before that the CRYSTAL seems to have made a small alteration to port. Perhaps the USS was overtaking and did not see the CRYSTAL make the alteration.

One of the problems with overtaking is that you see a single sternlight and that ship ahead can be turned port or starboard and nothing to indicate direction... especially container ship. The accommodation block is hidden by the aft end containers. Perhaps ships should have stern 'sidelights'.... say blue and yellow or even flashing lights to left or right than the sternlight to indicate turning. Something new to make the rules 'difficult'!

John Rogers 17th June 2017 12:59

The Captain of the Destroyer will be looking for a new job in a month or two.

John Rogers 17th June 2017 13:04

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Originally Posted by expats (Post 2511617)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VHXRYXzEVU

This urban legend comes to mind!

This urban legend joke goes back many years,many people believe it's true, It's not true,but still a good joke.(Whaaa)

woodend 17th June 2017 15:07

My sympathies are for the missing and those confirmed dead, their loved ones and friends. RIP. They probably did not even know what happened! Interesting track record of the 'box boat', that slight port course (probably scheduled) alteration obviously just minutes before the s**t hit the fan. However I will await more information if we get it before the enquiry before forming a concrete opinion.

sternchallis 17th June 2017 16:00

A lowly minesweeper to an ocean greyhound. A bridge too far.
I would think he will be sweeping roads in his next job.

sternchallis 17th June 2017 16:33

I see the destroyer is being helped by naval tugs.
Why?
It was damaged above the waterline in what looks like the bridge wing, assume the propulsion and rudders are functional, the wheelhouse would have been lower and on the ships centre line, there would always be an after steering position.

I am sure many a RN ship in WW2 fought and continued with the voyage with more damage than we see here.
In the days of Nelson, if it floated, it could be sailed more or less.
I suppose with the bridge damaged aĺl those electronic toys would be out of action, so they wouls actually need to navigate the old fashioned way that perhaps have never done, taking bearing from the bridge wing compass.
What's charts?

Stephen J. Card 17th June 2017 16:39

[QUOTE=woodend;2511745]Interesting track record of the 'box boat', that slight port course (probably scheduled) alteration obviously just minutes before the s**t hit the fan.


Small alteration of course to pass island of Toshima and head up towards Island of Oshima. The distance between the alteration, about 10 degrees alteration to port, to the collision... about 3.8 miles. At 15 knots, roughly 15 minutes.

Don't know the speed of the FITZGERALD. Don't know the courses either, but from the photos they seem to converging on similar courses.

A.D.FROST 17th June 2017 18:09

Not to make to much light of the situation,but A sailor(Gas turbine technician) went missing from USS SHILOH and after a seven day search and 5,500 nm using several ships he was found alive in the ER aboard the USS SHILOH (300 crew) .Brings back memories of being relieved at midnight by a pisshead 3rd.(should micro-chip them)

eddyw 17th June 2017 19:14

Destroyer damaged starboard side. Container ship damaged port bow!

slick 17th June 2017 19:37

All,
There will no doubt be a fairly bloody enquiry with accusation and counter accusation being bandied about.
In the distant past I had a whole week on a US destroyer and the bridge manning was well populated and the handovers as to who was in charge were rigorouly observed.
The ROR was strictly obeyed and only one Officer gave the orders.

Yours aye,

slick

"You may open fire now Gridley"

KEITHMAR 17th June 2017 23:12

Warship collision
 
Question; How did one of U;S;mos t sophisticated missile ships get close enough , on the High seas I believe, to a very large box boat, and COLLIDE?? .... JESUS??(Wave)(Wave)

spongebob 18th June 2017 01:32

No answers yet? The freighter's bulbous bow must have holed the warship below the waterline but how on earth can two sofisticated ships get into that situation. Human error or i attention no doubt.

Bob

John Rogers 18th June 2017 02:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by KEITHMAR (Post 2512249)
Question; How did one of U;S;mos t sophisticated missile ships get close enough , on the High seas I believe, to a very large box boat, and COLLIDE?? .... JESUS??(Wave)(Wave)

It was not on the high seas.


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