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Alan Rawlinson 25th January 2012 12:29

London nautical school - Woolverstone
 
Any old boys from LNS Woolverstone around?

We are all getting on a bit, but the memories are fresh! the uniforms, the discipline, the fences, the ' liberty bus' and the weekly matches against Ganges in cricket or football - not to forget the boating on the river Orwell.

Alan Rawlinson 31st January 2012 17:35

last one
 
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Originally Posted by Alan Rawlinson (Post 570180)
Any old boys from LNS Woolverstone around?

We are all getting on a bit, but the memories are fresh! the uniforms, the discipline, the fences, the ' liberty bus' and the weekly matches against Ganges in cricket or football - not to forget the boating on the river Orwell.

Looks like I am the last onr standing... ( switch off the lights?) I did go back in the 80's when it was a boarding school, and all the old Nissan huts had long gone, and it was all grassed over. Quite an eerie feeling.

For the record , the boys in 12 Dorm were Alex Loveday; Peter Lightbody; Jack Wesson; Mick Mann, yours truly, and a few others.

2newfie 1st February 2012 03:19

There are a couple of us who were there in 1950 as the forerunners of the LCC boarding school and so were there for the last year of LNS.We were in 6 dorm.

Alan Rawlinson 2nd February 2012 08:07

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Originally Posted by 2newfie (Post 572138)
There are a couple of us who were there in 1950 as the forerunners of the LCC boarding school and so were there for the last year of LNS.We were in 6 dorm.

Thank goodness for that!

I was getting that feeling like I was all alone - just like a spooky movie!

I am aware of a couple of lads ( now approaching 80) who were there in 1950, and later went into the Bank Line where I was, one of whom was a bugler calling us to that freezing shower block every morning....

cheers
Alan

2newfie 3rd February 2012 02:15

Our dorm monitor a chap called "Apples"Hepworth was one of those buglers.We were in Foretop Division.One of us newbies had to get up and open the window by his bed so that he could sound "Reveille" and "Showers" without leaving the warmth of his bed.

Alan Rawlinson 4th February 2012 09:01

Woolverstone routines
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 2newfie (Post 572693)
Our dorm monitor a chap called "Apples"Hepworth was one of those buglers.We were in Foretop Division.One of us newbies had to get up and open the window by his bed so that he could sound "Reveille" and "Showers" without leaving the warmth of his bed.

I remember the name.

I ended up in charge of 12 Dorm and from memory the 'new' lads were 11 yrs old? Can recall some of the names - Gilbert, Day, Evans. Day was a tubby lad.

My claim to fame was the daily task of hoisting the flag at the morning Divisions. and was assisted by a boy called White.

Presumably you had a few years in civilian clothes, and later had a career starting at sea?

Cheers/Alan Rawlinson

jimthehat 4th February 2012 22:50

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Originally Posted by 2newfie (Post 572138)
There are a couple of us who were there in 1950 as the forerunners of the LCC boarding school and so were there for the last year of LNS.We were in 6 dorm.

I wonder if you were there for the first year of woolverstone hall?
I still have the school photo which was taken at the back of the school in October 1951,its one of those old long photos ,and we looked a fine bunch of lads.
I think that 6 dorm was foretop div and the last hut on the front row far left.
I was a buglar,tried for the band but was hopeless.

Jim ferrier(haggis)

2newfie 5th February 2012 02:57

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Originally Posted by jimthehat (Post 573233)
I wonder if you were there for the first year of woolverstone hall?
I still have the school photo which was taken at the back of the school in October 1951,its one of those old long photos ,and we looked a fine bunch of lads.
I think that 6 dorm was foretop div and the last hut on the front row far left.
I was a buglar,tried for the band but was hopeless.

Jim ferrier(haggis)

I was there for the first year of woolverstone hall 6 dorm was foretop but was all alone by itself near to the shower block.

2newfie 5th February 2012 02:58

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Originally Posted by Alan Rawlinson (Post 572998)
I remember the name.

I ended up in charge of 12 Dorm and from memory the 'new' lads were 11 yrs old? Can recall some of the names - Gilbert, Day, Evans. Day was a tubby lad.

My claim to fame was the daily task of hoisting the flag at the morning Divisions. and was assisted by a boy called White.

Presumably you had a few years in civilian clothes, and later had a career starting at sea?

Cheers/Alan Rawlinson

Those are names that bring back memories.I left to join the MN in 1955

jimthehat 5th February 2012 10:41

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Originally Posted by 2newfie (Post 573290)
Those are names that bring back memories.I left to join the MN in 1955

I expect then that there are quite a few of us around who are standing proud in my photo,I left in summer 52 and i was in Johnstones house.i am not savvy enough to transfer the photo onto the web site,I would have to copy it in two sections and then the difficult part .

jim

Alan Rawlinson 5th February 2012 20:30

Woolverstone names
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jimthehat (Post 573233)
I wonder if you were there for the first year of woolverstone hall?
I still have the school photo which was taken at the back of the school in October 1951,its one of those old long photos ,and we looked a fine bunch of lads.
I think that 6 dorm was foretop div and the last hut on the front row far left.
I was a buglar,tried for the band but was hopeless.

Jim ferrier(haggis)

Jim

Always wanted to be a drummer, but didn't have the nerve to try!

Loved the band, especially on Divisions, playing " On the Quarterdeck " , and the march down to the church. Can also remember the church services and the boring sermons when we got up to various tricks to pass the time.

On another tack, there was a stocky lad called Tribe in our Dorm, and I seem to remember him getting involved in a punch-up or two. Do you recall the name?

2newfie 6th February 2012 03:17

I was in Corners after LNS closed

jimthehat 6th February 2012 08:45

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Originally Posted by 2newfie (Post 573538)
I was in Corners after LNS closed

We are getting there yes I remember Tribe,one i used to keep clear of.In my dorm there were a couple of twins and we were very good mates they both went on to ganges.
So civvy houses,johnstons,Corners halls and i cant remember the fourth one.

jim

jimthehat 6th February 2012 08:47

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Originally Posted by Alan Rawlinson (Post 573491)
Jim

Always wanted to be a drummer, but didn't have the nerve to try!

Loved the band, especially on Divisions, playing " On the Quarterdeck " , and the march down to the church. Can also remember the church services and the boring sermons when we got up to various tricks to pass the time.

On another tack, there was a stocky lad called Tribe in our Dorm, and I seem to remember him getting involved in a punch-up or two. Do you recall the name?

Played the last post down at the church,but got excused church parade being a catholic.

2newfie 7th February 2012 03:24

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Originally Posted by jimthehat (Post 573583)
We are getting there yes I remember Tribe,one i used to keep clear of.In my dorm there were a couple of twins and we were very good mates they both went on to ganges.
So civvy houses,johnstons,Corners halls and i cant remember the fourth one.

jim

Hansons was the other and they later added Berners for !st years.I always the remember the Divisions on the road and the order that went out"RC'c and Jews fallout".I was quite willing to be one or the otheron a very cold morning.Guess that wouldn't be "politically correct" now(lol)

Alan Rawlinson 7th February 2012 08:35

Life after 'square rig '
 
I often wondered what the regime was like after the nautical school ceased. I left in 51, the last year that the nautical regime operated. How different was it, I wonder? No uniforms, but what about being called to the showers by a bugle call ( 4 blasts for the quarterdeck) Did that stay the same?

Divisions?
Dormitory inspections?
March to church?

I gues the ' liberty bus' into Ipswich at weekends became a plain old minibus!

2newfie 8th February 2012 03:26

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Originally Posted by Alan Rawlinson (Post 573839)
I often wondered what the regime was like after the nautical school ceased. I left in 51, the last year that the nautical regime operated. How different was it, I wonder? No uniforms, but what about being called to the showers by a bugle call ( 4 blasts for the quarterdeck) Did that stay the same?

Divisions?
Dormitory inspections?
March to church?

I gues the ' liberty bus' into Ipswich at weekends became a plain old minibus!

We still had CPO Matthews getting us out of bed but other than that everything nautical disappeared.We kept the sailing dinghys and did eventually get a Sea Cadet Corps going but it mainly became ,whilst I was there,a typical boys boarding school.

jimthehat 8th February 2012 10:23

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Originally Posted by 2newfie (Post 574076)
We still had CPO Matthews getting us out of bed but other than that everything nautical disappeared.We kept the sailing dinghys and did eventually get a Sea Cadet Corps going but it mainly became ,whilst I was there,a typical boys boarding school.

Does anyone remember the crosscountry runs in mid winter?I won the intermediate and senior runs my last two years there,and was captain of the rugby team.

jim

Alan Rawlinson 8th February 2012 12:28

cross country
 
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Originally Posted by jimthehat (Post 574117)
Does anyone remember the crosscountry runs in mid winter?I won the intermediate and senior runs my last two years there,and was captain of the rugby team.

jim

Yes, Jim, remember them well. I never managed to win one, but got a huge kick out of starting at the back with all the fatties and secret smokers, and then working my way through the field to end up in the top 5 or so.

Alan Rawlinson 8th February 2012 12:33

post nautical
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 2newfie (Post 574076)
We still had CPO Matthews getting us out of bed but other than that everything nautical disappeared.We kept the sailing dinghys and did eventually get a Sea Cadet Corps going but it mainly became ,whilst I was there,a typical boys boarding school.

Thanks - was the band kept on?

I remember Mathews ( a great character, who got me on the right track). The other RN types were Pamplin and Denton. Did they stay on?

Do you remember Mr Mathews carried little poems on cards in his top pocket, which he could be induced to read out when he was in the right mood.

A few of us 'old boys' drove to his house to see him in Grays after his retirement, but he cleared off to the pub for a darts match, I think it was.!

Split 8th February 2012 15:42

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Originally Posted by Alan Rawlinson (Post 574154)
Thanks - was the band kept on?

I remember Mathews ( a great character, who got me on the right track). The other RN types were Pamplin and Denton. Did they stay on?

Do you remember Mr Mathews carried little poems on cards in his top pocket, which he could be induced to read out when he was in the right mood.

A few of us 'old boys' drove to his house to see him in Grays after his retirement, but he cleared off to the pub for a darts match, I think it was.!

Why was it called London Nautical? I went to London Nautical School in Stamford Street where it moved from Comber Grove after being evacuated in Wales.

I left in 1948 and realise that the present school bears little resemblence to its nautical past.

jimthehat 8th February 2012 23:09

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Originally Posted by Split (Post 574207)
Why was it called London Nautical? I went to London Nautical School in Stamford Street where it moved from Comber Grove after being evacuated in Wales.

I left in 1948 and realise that the present school bears little resemblence to its nautical past.

It was aschool set up and run by the london county council.
the school was split up into two withe boarding school at woolverstoneand the day school some where in the east end.

re staff the commander as we knew him stayed on and became the school burser and stands(sits) proud in the oct 51 photo as does Mr mathews and taffy Edwards the sports coach.
jim

2newfie 9th February 2012 02:22

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Originally Posted by Alan Rawlinson (Post 574154)
Thanks - was the band kept on?

I remember Mathews ( a great character, who got me on the right track). The other RN types were Pamplin and Denton. Did they stay on?

Do you remember Mr Mathews carried little poems on cards in his top pocket, which he could be induced to read out when he was in the right mood.

A few of us 'old boys' drove to his house to see him in Grays after his retirement, but he cleared off to the pub for a darts match, I think it was.!

It was the first thing you heard as he marched from one Nissen hut to another,and he always took up where he left off as he carried on from one hut to the next.As far as I remember only he and Commander Wiseman remained after the change over.I remember Denton as well.

Alan Rawlinson 9th February 2012 08:12

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Originally Posted by 2newfie (Post 574326)
It was the first thing you heard as he marched from one Nissen hut to another,and he always took up where he left off as he carried on from one hut to the next.As far as I remember only he and Commander Wiseman remained after the change over.I remember Denton as well.

Interesting - I remember him fondly...

There was a Norwegian Nav teacher called Johannsson. I still have my reports, and one in particular, where he wrote the great slogan " This boy has more enthusiasm than natural ability " !

I'm still getting over it. He did steer me through ' O ' level Navigation, though. Always remember the ' O ' level seamanship, where we had to sail, row, and scull the big heavy whalers down on the Orwell. ( The paper was set by Pangbourne College, if I remember correctly)

jimthehat 9th February 2012 09:36

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Originally Posted by Alan Rawlinson (Post 574354)
Interesting - I remember him fondly...

There was a Norwegian Nav teacher called Johannsson. I still have my reports, and one in particular, where he wrote the great slogan " This boy has more enthusiasm than natural ability " !

I'm still getting over it. He did steer me through ' O ' level Navigation, though. Always remember the ' O ' level seamanship, where we had to sail, row, and scull the big heavy whalers down on the Orwell. ( The paper was set by Pangbourne College, if I remember correctly)

Now I remember nav and seamanship ,could not remember who set the papers but it was the school certificate and one had to get five subjects to gain the qualification ,

jim

Joe C 9th February 2012 11:11

Capt.Johannsen
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Rawlinson (Post 574354)
Interesting - I remember him fondly...

There was a Norwegian Nav teacher called Johannsson. I still have my reports, and one in particular, where he wrote the great slogan " This boy has more enthusiasm than natural ability " !

I'm still getting over it. He did steer me through ' O ' level Navigation, though. Always remember the ' O ' level seamanship, where we had to sail, row, and scull the big heavy whalers down on the Orwell. ( The paper was set by Pangbourne College, if I remember correctly)

Excuse the intrusion onto your thread but there was a Capt. Johannsen at KEVII in '53 when I was there, who also had a good line in reports.When I laid out a fellow crewmember when shipping an oar he reported,"Better in charge of a boat than an oar!"I wonder, was it the same Capt.Johannsen?

Alan Rawlinson 9th February 2012 12:02

Johannson
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe C (Post 574393)
Excuse the intrusion onto your thread but there was a Capt. Johannsen at KEVII in '53 when I was there, who also had a good line in reports.When I laid out a fellow crewmember when shipping an oar he reported,"Better in charge of a boat than an oar!"I wonder, was it the same Capt.Johannsen?

Hallo Joe,

Could well be the same bloke, as presumably the job at Woolverstone disappeared when they dropped the Nautical theme in 1951.

Even after all these years, I still have an image of him and he was not very tall - maybe about 5'9" or so ?? Trim built, as opposed to some of the lecturers!

Alan Rawlinson 9th February 2012 12:13

Woolverstone teachers/lecturers
 
I can recall a couple.........

Grout (Geography) - A huge bloke with 'club like' hands which he liked to use to cuff us round the head, frequently. ( Not allowed today, of course)

Lidster - Maths, and a bit of a tyrant in my book.

The Head ( name escapes me) appeared some 15 years later on the bridge of the ferry I was on - bombing along in the dark, and he came up the bridge ladder, a bit worse for wear. After a few minutes we had established our common time spent at Woolverstone, and then I had to get him removed as he was draped over the auto pilot.

jimthehat 9th February 2012 22:54

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Originally Posted by Alan Rawlinson (Post 574418)
I can recall a couple.........

Grout (Geography) - A huge bloke with 'club like' hands which he liked to use to cuff us round the head, frequently. ( Not allowed today, of course)

Lidster - Maths, and a bit of a tyrant in my book.

The Head ( name escapes me) appeared some 15 years later on the bridge of the ferry I was on - bombing along in the dark, and he came up the bridge ladder, a bit worse for wear. After a few minutes we had established our common time spent at Woolverstone, and then I had to get him removed as he was draped over the auto pilot.

Was that the same maths teacher who used to throw the blackboard wooden duster at anyone he perceived not to being attentive.

jim

2newfie 10th February 2012 02:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Rawlinson (Post 574418)
I can recall a couple.........

Grout (Geography) - A huge bloke with 'club like' hands which he liked to use to cuff us round the head, frequently. ( Not allowed today, of course)

Lidster - Maths, and a bit of a tyrant in my book.

The Head ( name escapes me) appeared some 15 years later on the bridge of the ferry I was on - bombing along in the dark, and he came up the bridge ladder, a bit worse for wear. After a few minutes we had established our common time spent at Woolverstone, and then I had to get him removed as he was draped over the auto pilot.

I remember Crout used to whack peoples desk with the rolled up wall maps if they weren't paying attention and I have known he chase a boy up the stairs walloping him with a golf club for forgetting his Geography books.(O happy days)He also was a bit fanatical about eating fish and woe betide any boy that left any on their plate.(Scribe)

Alan Rawlinson 10th February 2012 09:59

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Originally Posted by 2newfie (Post 574568)
I remember Crout used to whack peoples desk with the rolled up wall maps if they weren't paying attention and I have known he chase a boy up the stairs walloping him with a golf club for forgetting his Geography books.(O happy days)He also was a bit fanatical about eating fish and woe betide any boy that left any on their plate.(Scribe)

Can recall the woodwork bloke, called Young, and still have an oak stool that I made under his guidance.

Must have been 1950 or 1951 I was in the crew of his yacht when he entered the Harwich Regatta, and we were supposed to race 3 times around the SUNK light vessel ( in those days). Anyway, it got very rough, and the organisers shortened the course to twice round before calling it off. We fell foul of the old wreck outside of the entrance - believe the patch of shoals was called ' The rolling Stones ' ( Jim?) and there was a mast sticking up with shell holes in it. Mr Young's wife was spotted praying on her knees in the cabin! but being boys we thought it was all great fun.

The sequel was that when we finally got back up the Orwell to our moorings, and dug into beans on toast, he later discovered we had won the shortened course, and Young was presented with a cup.

Did he stay on, I wonder?

Split 10th February 2012 14:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Rawlinson (Post 574418)
I can recall a couple.........

Grout (Geography) - A huge bloke with 'club like' hands which he liked to use to cuff us round the head, frequently. ( Not allowed today, of course)

Lidster - Maths, and a bit of a tyrant in my book.

The Head ( name escapes me) appeared some 15 years later on the bridge of the ferry I was on - bombing along in the dark, and he came up the bridge ladder, a bit worse for wear. After a few minutes we had established our common time spent at Woolverstone, and then I had to get him removed as he was draped over the auto pilot.

Crikey! What an example!

jimthehat 10th February 2012 15:56

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Originally Posted by Alan Rawlinson (Post 574617)
Can recall the woodwork bloke, called Young, and still have an oak stool that I made under his guidance.

Must have been 1950 or 1951 I was in the crew of his yacht when he entered the Harwich Regatta, and we were supposed to race 3 times around the SUNK light vessel ( in those days). Anyway, it got very rough, and the organisers shortened the course to twice round before calling it off. We fell foul of the old wreck outside of the entrance - believe the patch of shoals was called ' The rolling Stones ' ( Jim?) and there was a mast sticking up with shell holes in it. Mr Young's wife was spotted praying on her knees in the cabin! but being boys we thought it was all great fun.


The sequel was that when we finally got back up the Orwell to our moorings, and dug into beans on toast, he later discovered we had won the shortened course, and Young was presented with a cup.

Did he stay on, I wonder?

Alan,
are you thinking of the rolling banks just east of the beach end?/

jim

Alan Rawlinson 10th February 2012 16:09

approaches to Harwich
 
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Originally Posted by jimthehat (Post 574706)
Alan,
are you thinking of the rolling banks just east of the beach end?/

jim

Jim,

That's the place. There used to be a wreck there, with a mast sticking up, back in the 50's - but later removed. Also, the lightship (Sunk?) was also replaced, I think.

2newfie 11th February 2012 02:26

Jim:
On another forum you mentioned getting a chit for kitting out at Monnerys,I to received the same chit and was told there was a fund for boys who entered the Merchant Navy which even carried over after LNS was finished.It included No.1 uniform,battledress,working gear,heavy weather gear and a No.10 uniform(which never saw the light of day.)E#verything a seagoing Apprentice needed.

Alan Rawlinson 11th February 2012 08:06

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Originally Posted by Alan Rawlinson (Post 574711)
Jim,

That's the place. There used to be a wreck there, with a mast sticking up, back in the 50's - but later removed. Also, the lightship (Sunk?) was also replaced, I think.

The lightship we raced round was the ' Cork Lightship '

2newfie 12th February 2012 02:40

There is an ex Marconi/Bank line sparks who was also at Woolverstone named David Harrington.Don't know if you know him?

Alan Rawlinson 12th February 2012 12:16

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Originally Posted by 2newfie (Post 575121)
There is an ex Marconi/Bank line sparks who was also at Woolverstone named David Harrington.Don't know if you know him?

Don't recall him. The Woolverstone boys that I know went into Bankline were:-

(Mick) Mann- back in 1949
Weston - around 1950
Brian Lucy - Not sure. Brian says he was in 12 Dorm when I was there, but I don't recall it, so this is a complete mystery to me. Does anyone remember him at Woolverstone?
Jim - 1952

I left in 1951 to join the Forthbank.

I'm sure there were many more.

In my time, Mason went to Union Castle, and Wesson went to BP tankers.

Ron Stringer 12th February 2012 12:43

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Originally Posted by 2newfie (Post 575121)
There is an ex Marconi/Bank line sparks who was also at Woolverstone named David Harrington.Don't know if you know him?

Member oldmarconiman

oldmarconiman 16th February 2012 09:54

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Originally Posted by Ron Stringer (Post 575222)
Member oldmarconiman

Hi Ron, spot on! Went to Woolverstone along with "2newfie" - you running incognito these days Brian? "You can fool some of the people some of the time but not all of the people all of the time" - LOL! (Wave)

Woolverstone Hall Boarding School for Boys, as it was to be known, opened on a trial basis in Sept 1950 and was officially opened the following year, but for that first year we shared the establishment with the remaining members of LNS Woolverstone - complete with buglers and nissan huts!

A prior posting named Taffy Edwards as PE Master, he was of course Taffy Evans, long since departed.

Matt Mathews was a great old character. He signed my autograph book with the quote - "Steer by your own compass!" which I surely did, sometimes through some pretty rough and murky seas though Matt.

I have mentioned it before but my time as an R.O. on the Eskbank and old liberty Corabank are recorded on my web site http://www.oldmarconiman.co.uk should anyone be interested. Both under Captain Sam Withers. Good ships and good memories of both.


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