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surveychile 17th November 2017 12:51

Argentinean Submarine ARA San Juan is lost with 37 men on board.
 
As per: https://www.clarin.com/politica/busc...H19WxynkG.html

I have translated the newspaper article in the link as follows:

Looking for the Submarine San Juan, Navy confirmed that this one has not been found, as leaked out

The ship would have suffered a technical failure Wednesday morning. There are 37 people on board.

A rescue operation arranged by the Naval Marine Traffic Command tried to locate an Argentine submarine since last night, with which contact was lost since Wednesday.

The ship "ARA San Juan", which carried out surveillance exercises in the exclusive economic zone, at the height of Puerto Madryn, would have suffered more than 36 hours ago a failure and subsequent fire in the battery bank, the system that stores the energy electric on board

That would be the reason why the contact between the crew was interrupted (37 people, including eight officers) and the Naval Base of Puerto Belgrano.

"The submarine was not found," Navy spokesman Enrique Balbi said amid versions that said he was already located and being transported to a port.

The spokesman's statements broke the secrecy that remained since last night, when the news transcended. "The last communication was on Wednesday," he said and said a search plan for the submarine was deployed.

"The version of the fire is not official information, there could have been a technical failure," Balbi said. "We still do not have communication," he said.

In order to detect the location of the ship, a search and rescue procedure was arranged with the participation of two corvettes and an army plane to track the area.

The "ARA San Juan" (S-42) is a submarine type TR-1700 manufactured in Germany. It was incorporated into the national Navy in 1985. It is conventional electric diesel propulsion and snorkeling system, designed for attacks against surface forces, submarines, merchant traffic and mining operations.

From 2007 to 2014, the submarine abandoned its station at the Mar del Plata naval base for its so-called "half-life" repair, in order to extend its useful life for another 30 years.

Between the carried out works the replacing and integral repair of the 960 elements of their batteries was realized, area where this Wednesday could originate the fault.

My apologies for any mistaken made.

Regards

Tomi.

CEYLON220 17th November 2017 14:00

Was`nt aware that Argentina had submarines, anymore news on the San Juan? I have now gone to the Argentina Navy site and found that she has 3 subs:

SANTA CRUZ S41
JUAN S42 BOTH 2,264 TONS- BUILT 1985-7
SALTA 1248 TONS BUILT 1972

Mad Landsman 17th November 2017 14:05

For Exclusive Economic Zone, I take it to mean territorial waters.
If the boat was at the same latitude as Puerto Madryn then there would be no claimed 'extended area' of Las Malvinas to worry about.

Hopefully then not too far out in the ocean.

Days without contact does sound bad though.

tsell 17th November 2017 23:41

It is to be hoped that the sub will be located and raised, with the rescue of all on board and that this does not turn into yet another 'ocean tragedy'.

Taff

trotterdotpom 18th November 2017 01:31

Not sounding too promising, is it? Hope they'll all be safe though.

John T

cueball44 18th November 2017 08:42

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Just found this.

Mad Landsman 18th November 2017 08:45

BBC report gives stated last position as 400km off Patagonia.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-42030560

Michael Taylor 18th November 2017 12:46

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Originally Posted by cueball44 (Post 2695041)
Just found this.

If in fact she is at 70m I would have thought they would have used Davis Gear if those are issued these days and into rafts. Seem to remember this stuff when they sent us to Whale Island whilst at the School of Nav.

cueball44 19th November 2017 08:32

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Maybe good news.

Mad Landsman 19th November 2017 08:35

also:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-42041978

Samsette 19th November 2017 19:08

USN assets are on the way from the Marine Corps Air Station Miramar, in the San Diego area.
Let us hope they arrive in time to effect a successful rescue.

5036 19th November 2017 19:41

The UK has rescue submersibles able to evacuate all NATO and Russian submarines and can be anywhere in the world in 24 hours, I wonder if they might be employed?

Varley 19th November 2017 23:41

Would a commander with one ballast blow left use it to ascend into 6 metre waves without motive power? Perhaps there is hope. Fingers crossed.

Binnacle 22nd November 2017 19:49

Submarine hunt: RAF plane back on Argentine soil for first time since Falklands
http://news.sky.com/story/submarine-...lands-11139053

RHP 23rd November 2017 00:04

Fingers crossed and in our prayers.

BobClay 23rd November 2017 00:07

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Originally Posted by RHP (Post 2704937)
Fingers crossed and in our prayers.

Amen to that.

KEITHMAR 23rd November 2017 20:55

The Argentine Navy confirms that there was an explosion(what sort of explosi on , was not described?)on board the Submarine" San Juan". And appear to confirm that ALL aboard , have perished....... May They Rest in peace.!

surveychile 23rd November 2017 21:12

And the following article appeared in the argentinean newspaper La Nación:

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/2084923-n...o-ara-san-juan

Submarino ARA San Juan: la Armada confirmó un "evento violento consistente con una explosión" y continúa la búsqueda

Submarine ARA San Juan: the Navy confirmed a "violent event consistent with an explosion" and the search continues

El vocero de la fuerza, el capitán Enrique Balbi, dijo que recibieron esa información a través del embajador argentino en Austria, Rafael Grossi

The spokesman of the force, Captain Enrique Balbi, said that they received this information through the Argentine ambassador in Austria, Rafael Grossi

A ocho días de la desaparición del submarino ARA San Juan, el vocero de la Armada Argentina, Enrique Balbi, aseguró hoy que el Gobierno recibió información a través del embajador argentino en Austria, Rafael Grossi, de que "hubo un evento anómalo, singular, corto, violento y no nuclear, consistente con una explosión" en la zona del último contacto del navío.

Eight days after the disappearance of the submarine ARA San Juan, the spokesman of the Argentine Navy, Enrique Balbi, assured today that the Government received information through the Argentine ambassador in Austria, Rafael Grossi, that "there was an anomalous, singular event, short, violent and non-nuclear, consistent with an explosion "in the area of the last contact of the ship.

"Se recibió una información sobre un evento anómalo, singular, corto, violento y no nuclear, consistente con una explosión", apuntó. Balbi dijo que la novedad "coincide" con el dato aportado ayer por la agencia internacional Ismerlo, especializada en el rescate de submarinos siniestrados, sobre el registro de un "ruido" a apenas 30 millas de la última localización del navío.

We received information about an anomalous, singular, short, violent and non-nuclear event, consistent with an explosion," he said. Balbi said the novelty "coincides" with the data provided yesterday by the international agency Ismerlo, specializing in the rescue of sinister submarines, on the record of a "noise" just 30 miles from the last location of the ship.

Balbi dijo que la novedad "coincide" con el dato aportado ayer por la agencia internacional Ismerlo, especializada en el rescate de submarinos siniestrados, sobre el registro de un "ruido" a apenas 30 millas de la última localización del navío.

Balbi said this news "matches" with the data provided yesterday by the international agency Ismerlo, specializing in the rescue of sinister submarines, abot the register of a "noise" just 30 miles from the last location of the ship.

El hallazgo de la "anomalía hidroacústica" obligó, anoche, al envío de buques con capacidad de sonares y telefonía subacuática y dos aeronaves de Estados Unidos y Brasil, para que verifiquen si allí se encontraba el ARA San Juan.

The finding of the "hydroacoustic anomaly" forced, last night, the sending of vessels with sonar and underwater telephony capacity and two aircraft from the United States and Brazil, to verify if the ARA San Juan was there.

"Los dos informes dan casi el mismo punto y casi el mismo área. Estamos hablando de un área de 125 kilómetros de radio", precisó.

"The two reports give almost the same point and almost the same area, we are talking about an area of 125 kilometers of radius," he said.

La ubicación registrada del ARA San Juan en su última comunicación había sido el golfo San Jorge, a 432 kilómetros de la costa (240 millas náuticas), al sudeste de la península Valdés, en Chubut.

The registered location of ARA San Juan in its last communication was the San Jorge Gulf, 432 kilometers from the coast (240 nautical miles), southeast of the Valdés peninsula, in Chubut.

"No sabemos la causa que produjo en ese lugar, en esa fecha, un evento de estas características", remarcó el vocero de la fuerza.
"We do not know the cause that produced in that place, on that date, an event of these characteristics," remarked the spokesman of the force.

Balbi señaló que continúa el operativo para dar con el San Juan: "En consecuencia, seguimos buscando. Hasta tener evidencia concreta de dónde está el submarino y nuestros 44 tripulantes". Y añadió: "En cuando a cualquier hipótesis o conjetura, hasta que no tengamos evidencia certera, no podemos afirmar ninguna afirmación concluyente, valga la redundancia".

Balbi said the operation continues to find the San Juan: "As a result, we continue to search, until we have concrete evidence of where the submarine and our 44 crew members are." He added: "As for any hypothesis or conjecture, until we have accurate evidence, we can not affirm any conclusive statement, worth the redundancy."

El nuevo parte de la Armada generó indignación entre los familiares de los 44 tripulantes. "Son unos desgraciados, nos mintieron", aseveró Itatí Leguizamón, esposa del cabo primero Germán Oscar Suárez.

The new information of the Navy generated indignation among the relatives of the 44 crew members. "They are miserable, they lied to us," said Itatí Leguizamón, wife of Corporal Germán Oscar Suárez.



El ARA San Juan es un submarino de ataque construido en Alemania en 1985. En 2004 se le realizó una reparación denominada "de media vida". Un comunicado de aquel momento afirmaba que los arreglos extenderían la vida del navío por 30 años.

The ARA San Juan is an attack submarine built in Germany in 1985. In 2004 a repair called "half life" was made. A statement from that time stated that the arrangements would extend the life of the ship for 30 years.

Very sad news, if confirmed.

Tomi.

RHP 24th November 2017 00:24

The sad fact is Argentina does not have the resources to operate a navy any more, hasn't for 30 years so all ships, subs and aircraft of their airforce if we're honest must be considered to be unsea/air worthy. They haven't for example, bought a single new aircraft for their AF since 1982..... Brave lads and lasses, god bless.

Binnacle 24th November 2017 03:12

Explosion dashes survival hopes.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-42100620

Basil 24th November 2017 09:42

Anyone know if they carry HTP fuelled torpedoes?

Cisco 24th November 2017 13:43

Q.... is it normal to cut submarines in half to renew the batteries as was done with this one?

BobClay 24th November 2017 14:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cisco (Post 2707113)
Q.... is it normal to cut submarines in half to renew the batteries as was done with this one?

Where was that done ?

Cisco 24th November 2017 14:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobClay (Post 2707145)
Where was that done ?

Tandanor shipyard.... more aqui ... https://www.globalsecurity.org/milit...santa-cruz.htm


Scroll down a bit...

There was also talk by the Kirchner regime about converting them to nuclear power.............

BobClay 24th November 2017 14:43

Ok, thanks for that. I would have thought opening up the pressure hull of an old submarine and then putting it back together was very specialised work. But I'm no expert on subs. Perhaps we should be grateful they didn't retro - nuclear it. But that's not much compensation for the bereaved families.


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