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Fairfield 13th October 2004 10:23

T H Watermeyer
 
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Another piece of artwork,too big for the scanner unfortunately.
TH WATERMEYER was built by Lobnitz at Renfrew in 1939 and was one of many Clyde built tugs for the South African Railways.As far as I know she worked all her life at Cape Town except for some War Service.She lasted until 1982 and was scrapped at Cape Town.

Ken Malcolm 13th October 2004 19:37

SAR tugs
 
Your details of Watermeyer are absolutely correct, she was one of the largest class of steam tugs built for SAR&H in the period 1943-54.

The class were all of around 2 600shp, with a free running speed of 11-13kn, all were originally coal-fired, due to the abundace of good quality local coal.

I shall dig into my books and provide the complete class history, but sadly, not one was preserved! The only two remaining examples are W H Fuller (1934) sunk off PE, and Otto Siedle (1938) sunk off False Bay, I don't think getting to them is half the fun !

Magic tugs, I recall many a day spent on board CF Kayser and T Eriksen in the seventies in Port Elizabeth.

Fairfield 13th October 2004 22:10

Have a great liking for these tugs and was lucky enough to see FC STURROCK and JR MORE fitting out.

Ken Malcolm 16th October 2004 12:16

SA Tugs
 
Hello Fairfield,

Must have been great to be at Ferguson's back then. A friend of my father's, Bill Jackson, worked for Ferguson when the Bates and Campbell were built ('50-51), perhaps you know him?

Fairfield 16th October 2004 20:59

No,afraid not.Just saw them on trips on QM II from Glasgow and from Gourock bound trains!

Ken Malcolm 23rd October 2004 15:43

Hello Fairfield,

I spent many a weekend on QMll and Waverley back in the 60's!

Fairfield 23rd October 2004 19:59

Both are still going strong-WAVERLEY sailing still and QM II is a pub/restaurant on the Thames Embankment.

Robin Stobbs 17th October 2005 05:30

Hi Malcolm,

I also spent many hours on CF Kayser and am making a large (1/32 scale) model of her. I have dozens of B&W pics of most details - do you perhaps have any detail photographs? Regards, Robin Stobbs

Robin Stobbs 21st October 2005 18:34

35 years ago I made a 1/32 scale radio-controlled working model of Sct. Knud (St. Canute in her Anglophile form!). In all this time all I have had to replace are the odd 6v battery, rebuild the gearbox and replace all her lights with up-to-date LED circuits! This tug has a fascinating history (which I won’t go into here) and, it seems, has become quite a popular radio-controlled scale working model, especially since Graupner turned out a kit which, incidentally, lacks scale in many aspects. I am most anxious to obtain the drawings published in (I think) ‘Ships Monthly’ and about 1966 to 1969. These drawings showed Sct. Knud as she probably was configured when acquired by the Fowey Harbour Commission in the mid-60s. Any readers have this or have any ideas?? Failing that – any readers have authentic general arrangements drawings of her?

Next query: I am busy on a 1/32 scale model of C.F. Kayser, one of the twin screw harbour tugs based in Port Elizabeth (South Africa) and built by Lobnitz in Renfrew. This is a huge model with a displacement of around 42kg! Back in the ‘60s I took a number of photographs of CFK with the idea of using these detail pics to make a super-scale model. Now I realise that I really need many more pics and wonder if any readers have some they would care to share. CFK as I knew her in the 60s differs considerably from the original drawings – more so than her sister ship ‘Eriksen’.

Last query! My next project – simply because I have her drawings ex South African Railways and Harbours – is to be the ‘William Weller’ which I intend making to 1/32 scale as well and as per her configuration when she left Italy. This is not because Weller was anything special (she was soooo underpowered that on one occasion when detailed to go to Mossel Bay in the face of a strong south-wester, she had to turn back to PE having made no headway in some hours ‘flat-out’ steaming!) but simply because she looks attractive and will be a darn sight more portable than CFK! Anyone have pics of her, or her sister ships?

Regards and thanks for a great website, Robin

ROY LORENTZ 29th November 2005 18:34

F.c.sturrock/j.r.more
 
I have a 1/48 radio controlled model of the J.R.More the original of which is preserved in our local Maritime Museum.Iwill post pictures shortly.
For what it's worth I also have a complete set of plans (1/48 scale)fo these fine ships if anyone locally is interested.
Cheers,
Roy Lorentz

japottinger 29th November 2005 20:15

F.C. Stuurock
 
I have a complete set of model plans of above.

SeamusMartin 17th February 2006 13:50

Hello Robin, I would like to build radio controlled models of F Schermbrucker and Cecil G White. I was wondering where I could get copies of the lines drawings and general arrangements? I don´t live in SA anymore so it is proving to be quite difficult.

andysk 15th June 2006 12:52

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The attached pic of E S Steytler taken in East London on 30th August 1978 may help some of you modelmakers !

Cheers

Andy

the yard 15th July 2006 22:44

According to my records the TH Watermeyer was built by Pointhouse Yard, Glasgow, of A.&J. Inglis with a Harland and Wolff ship number 1021.

Yard No. 1021
Vessel Type Tug
Built Pointhouse Yard, Glasgow, of A.&J. Inglis
Launch Date Thursday 6 July 1939
Slip Number 2
Handover Date Wednesday 1 November 1939
Owner South African Government
Weight 620 grt
BP Length 145 Feet
OA Length 155 Feet
Breath 33 Feet
No. of Screws Twin
Speed (Approx.) 12 Knots
Propulsion Lobnitz & Company Ltd. Renfrew - Triple Expansion 6 cylinders

Robin Stobbs 24th December 2006 04:26

SAR&H tug drawings
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SeamusMartin (Post 38610)
Hello Robin, I would like to build radio controlled models of F Schermbrucker and Cecil G White. I was wondering where I could get copies of the lines drawings and general arrangements? I don´t live in SA anymore so it is proving to be quite difficult.

I obtained my drawings of C.F. Kayser and William Weller from the SAR&H headquarters back in the mid-60s. I'll see if I can track down where similar drawings can be obtained from Portnet though, as I'm sure you understand, "Fings aint wot they used to be!"

SeamusMartin 29th December 2006 02:32

That would be fantastic, Robin any help with this is greatly appreciated.

I have made a small website with my pictures of the S A steam tugs if you are interested it is at:
http://www.geocities.com/seamusmartin9/

Ballito 27th August 2007 16:24

Hi Roy,Ballito here,
I understand you have drawings of the JR More,would be interested to see them Thanks

ROY LORENTZ 10th September 2007 19:02

Have sent a direct email in this regard.You a welcome to view the plans and then decide if they are suitable for your purpose.
Regards,
Roy.

3rdEng 5th May 2014 13:44

Hi,
To anyone interested in building these steam tugs, I have almost all the builders' drawings of each one of them. And don't believe all the details you read about them, especially in David Reynolds's book: he can't tell length overall from length between perpendiculars. Even Lloyds always quotes them at 6 cylinder triple expansion when what they really mean is twin 3 cylinder triple expansion engines.
All of them, except the White, and the big ones - McEwen & Hoy - had exactly the same engines, a pair, 17", 29" & 48" by 30" stroke. The horsepowers from the trial diagrams are: LW 2377 iHp, SDH 2318 iHp, TSMcE 3300 iHp, SWH 3577 iHp, CFK 3193 iHp, TE 3285 iHp, FS 3393 iHp, JXM 3250 iHp, OS 3259 iHp, ESS 3220 iHp, THW 3251 iHp, JDW 2960 iHp, FTB 3066 iHp, AMC 3246 iHp, RBW 2796 iHp, DH 3096 iHp, FCS 3269 iHp & JRM 3110 iHp.
Hope this is of help.
3rdEng

3rdEng 17th August 2014 20:19

SAR&H Tug Drawings
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Robin Stobbs (Post 96224)
I obtained my drawings of C.F. Kayser and William Weller from the SAR&H headquarters back in the mid-60s. I'll see if I can track down where similar drawings can be obtained from Portnet though, as I'm sure you understand, "Fings aint wot they used to be!"

Hi. The Ludwig Wiener, J. W. Sauer & Sir David Hunter can be obtained from Glasgow University Archives. I have all the rest of the big tugs from SAR&H drawings and can make copies. The only ones I don't have decent drawings of are the W. H. Fuller and John Dock, but even there I can scratch something together and you can extrapolate from the C. F. Kayser and Eriksen. I also have an accurate list of trial results. I can make copies at the local drawing office (some won't come out very well, especially the T. S. McEwen and the Kayser and Eriksen. All the oil burners are there as well, although those are now available from Glasgow Uni as well.

woodend 18th August 2014 07:34

They were a great class of tug and great fun to drive. Spent many a happy shift on the THW, CFK, TE,ESS and the OS. A good team of stokers and they were great to handle. Let the steam drop and they soon became sluggish and difficult. One of the funniest sights I remember was on a very busy but beautiful day in Cape Town when Master of the DANIE HUGO, we were hurrying from the Old Dock to the New Dock to assist as cant line tug to a VLCC sailing from the Landing Wall. There was this VLCC with a diminutive THW under the bow and Pilot Dammerall saying over the radio: 'Come on WATERMYER PUSH!' He had backed her away from the berth and now had to turn through 180*. Needless to say up went our cant line and between us made short work of it. Memories of ships and people........!

rickles23 18th August 2014 07:54

Hi Fairfield,

Could you scan it in two sections?

If you do not have the photo program I will do it for you.

Regards

3rdEng 18th August 2014 14:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by woodend (Post 996002)
They were a great class of tug and great fun to drive. Spent many a happy shift on the THW, CFK, TE,ESS and the OS. A good team of stokers and they were great to handle. Let the steam drop and they soon became sluggish and difficult. One of the funniest sights I remember was on a very busy but beautiful day in Cape Town when Master of the DANIE HUGO, we were hurrying from the Old Dock to the New Dock to assist as cant line tug to a VLCC sailing from the Landing Wall. There was this VLCC with a diminutive THW under the bow and Pilot Dammerall saying over the radio: 'Come on WATERMYER PUSH!' He had backed her away from the berth and now had to turn through 180*. Needless to say up went our cant line and between us made short work of it. Memories of ships and people........!

Thanks, John. Tell me, did you find any differences between the sisters (apart from us down below?) I have heard some say they preferred the JXM to the THW but I knew a THW man who would have nothing good said about the JXM! Also the CFK and the TE were slightly lighter. Did that make a difference that you noticed?
Scott

woodend 18th August 2014 14:36

Hi Scott, I can't remember any marked differences in handling between the various sisters. They all handled better when full of bunkers and with all the water tanks 'pressed up'.

Dickyboy 18th August 2014 14:40

Hi! I know very little about tugs, but always liked the look of the SAR ones. Good and solid looking as it were. I never saw tugs like them elsewhere. Were they built specifically for SAR to their specification's? Perhaps when I saw them (In the 60s) they were old but well kept? They seemed huge compared with other tugs that handled ships in other parts of the world. They were almost ship sized themselves, it seemed to me.


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