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Old 19th January 2011, 19:13
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Captain Matheson:- Almerian / City of Leeds

My first trip as an Apprentice with E & P was in 1963 under Captain Matheson on the Almerian, renamed City of Leeds for the Borneo run under Bucknall colours. Captain Matheson was a great guy for a first tripper, a good coach, took an interest in study progress, happy to impart knowledge, etc.. He stands out in stark contrast to some of the indifferent and aloof Old Men I sailed under later!

Anyone remember Matheson and knows what became of him?
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Old 19th January 2011, 20:35
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My first trip as an Apprentice with E & P was in 1963 under Captain Matheson on the Almerian, renamed City of Leeds for the Borneo run under Bucknall colours. Captain Matheson was a great guy for a first tripper, a good coach, took an interest in study progress, happy to impart knowledge, etc.. He stands out in stark contrast to some of the indifferent and aloof Old Men I sailed under later!

Anyone remember Matheson and knows what became of him?
Tks
Peter Mann
I sailed with a Capt Matheson years ago with Holyhead Towing. This "old man" had been involved in the "Yangtze Incident", had a limp and stole all the chocky biscuits!! Doubt if he was your guy though.

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Old 1st February 2011, 18:49
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Hi JL,
Thanks for this but probably not the same one, probably a bit older and I don't remember a limp!
I've since realised that Matheson seems to have been a common name at sea, so I was asking rather a long-shot question really!
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Old 2nd February 2011, 15:24
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I thought it wouldn't be him. Good luck with your search.
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I was the radio officer when the City of Leeds/GJGV first went down to Borneo in 1963, but I'm sorry to say that she was the ex Venetian under capt Willi Brownley. I'm a very fine drawing of her I made in the monsoon in the run back to Aden when I spent many an evenings on the bridge with the mate Brian Middleton. I have cine film taken in the canal with my old ship one of the Orient liners in the Bitter Lakes for company. happy days - my first ship on my own. We had a crew of British Somalies. It was her first trip down to the Far East and as a 19 year old she remains my favourite ship, but boy was I sick! A very fine large model of the Egypian and her sisters is pride of place at the National Sea Training Centre Denton Gravesend. I've some hope of looking after it if it is to be moved for any reason.

I have a Marconi CR300 receiver which is identical to the one I battled with in my attempts to keep in touch with Portishead radio. It was okay for the Med, but once through the canal it was a different story.

Willi has passed away, but his antics with the R N in Aden will live on......

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Old 22nd February 2012, 13:34
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I was 3rd Mate on City of Leeds in 1964 for a coastal ex London, to Le Havre, Hamburg etc then off at Middlesborough. The master was J. Irvine and the Mate a guy called Liversedge I believe. The trip was the most incredible and eventful i ever spent aboard and many years later I was told our trip went down in the annals of E.P folk law. Anybody out there aboard that coastal ? maybe i should write a short story about it one of these days.
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I served on the Almerian when she was on charter to Cunard. She was then the Assyria.

Cpt Matherson was the master and my trip was 16/9/66 - 8/11/66.
London/Rotterdam/Le Havre/Quebec/Montreal/Toronto/Detroit/Chicago/Montreal/Liverpool(?)

I remember having my 17th Birthday in Chicago and enjoying the Whiskey A-Go-Go on Nort Rush when we told the GoGo dancers that we were from Liverpool and new the Beatles

On the way back towards the St.Lawrence the US Pilot was responsible for us hitting a bridge and Cpt.Matherson stopped the ship immediately and threw him off - in the middle of nowhere!
That meant a few days in Montreal while Lloyds assessed things and we had repairs to a large hole in No:4 hold done. Nice nurses in Montreal!!
Trip back was in a Force 10 which kept pace with us all the way which meant no hot food BUT amazing sights...............
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Old 9th March 2012, 01:13
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Hi Duncan,
Your message got me puzzled. Back in 1963 I was third mate June/August 1963 on the Cunard cargo vessel Assyria. She was in London Docks for quite a bit of this period I seem to recall. I think maybe she then was sold ? Are we talking of the same vessel here ?
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Well, as I said, that is what happened in 1966. My Blue Book stamp is;

SS ASSYRIA LIVERPOOL
O.N. 187148
G.R.T.3648.99
N.R.T. 1519.29
N.H.P. 572

The photo was taken on a lay-by birth in the Seaway before my trip.
She was built in 1956 As the Almerian. I think she was sold to Pakistan or some such the trip after I served.
YOUR Assyria must have been the 1950 Cunarder of G.R.T.8638. with Steam Turbines. The Almerian (Assyria) had Combined Steam Reciprocating and Turbines

Hope that clarifies the detail
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Hi Duncan,
Thanks for your interesting information and photo. That's definitely the Almerian of 1956, and your story of the pilot sounds definitely like the Captain Matheson I remember! He had obviously stayed with the Almerian for quite a few years. Do you have any idea which way his career went after that as the Ellerman fleet disintegrated?

(By the way, I count myself lucky to have seen a steam reciprcoating engine on my first trip as late as 1963!).
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Old 28th July 2012, 16:29
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Hello Venetian,

I think you must mean 1964, because Venetian was Venetian during 1963.
I joined her in May '63 as the Venetian and spent the rest of the year on her in the Meddie. my favourite ship, a very happy one.

Cheers
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Afraid I can't add any more to Cpt Matherson's history.
My next (and last) trip was on the Arcadian into the Med with Cpt Jones.
In 1976 I joined Ellerman City Liners as a shipping rep based in Birmingham and sold all the groups services. I stayed in shipping until about 1984 as a rep and then a shipping manager for a company in Halifax.
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Capt Matheson

Good day, I sailed on the Salerno June/Oct 1974 as second mate. The vessel was chartered to the Canadians and traded in the Arctic for the summer. Capt Willi Brownlea was master but Capt (Angus?) Matheson relieved him part way through the voyage.
ireverted back to City Line after that voyage and have no knowledge of Capt Matheson's subsequent commands.

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Old 24th July 2013, 10:05
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I was the radio officer when the City of Leeds/GJGV first went down to Borneo in 1963, but I'm sorry to say that she was the ex Venetian under capt Willi Brownley. I'm a very fine drawing of her I made in the monsoon in the run back to Aden when I spent many an evenings on the bridge with the mate Brian Middleton. I have cine film taken in the canal with my old ship one of the Orient liners in the Bitter Lakes for company. happy days - my first ship on my own. We had a crew of British Somalies. It was her first trip down to the Far East and as a 19 year old she remains my favourite ship, but boy was I sick! A very fine large model of the Egypian and her sisters is pride of place at the National Sea Training Centre Denton Gravesend. I've some hope of looking after it if it is to be moved for any reason.

I have a Marconi CR300 receiver which is identical to the one I battled with in my attempts to keep in touch with Portishead radio. It was okay for the Med, but once through the canal it was a different story.

Willi has passed away, but his antics with the R N in Aden will live on......
Hi Venetian, you wrote a few years ago, but I was wondering if you knew what became of the models of the Egyptian and others? Are they still at Denton?
Cheers
Peter
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Hello Venetian,

I think you must mean 1964, because Venetian was Venetian during 1963.
I joined her in May '63 as the Venetian and spent the rest of the year on her in the Meddie. my favourite ship, a very happy one.

Cheers
POeter
You are quite correct - 1963 was my first memorable trip around the world on the Orcades/MABA. City of Leeds/GJGV in '64 was a very big change but a voyage that I relate to all who will listen with much amusement and laughs. Willi once said the Radar wasn't working correctly because the colour of the picture had changed..... But we were happy as you say, but rather hotter in the Red Sea than we would have wished. Oh that the fleet now was as it was then- days of adventure!
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Capt Angus Mathieson

I sailed with Capt (Angus) Mathieson on Florian in the early 60's. He was always immaculately dressed and sported a small beard. He had the mannerisms of the actor Peter Finch when he portrayed Capt Langsdorff in the Battle Of The River Plate. VBut I must say I always found him to be very fair and gave praise where/when it was due.
He once scowled at me for the entire meal when I had forgotten to attach my shoulder epaulets to my shirt when we were supposed to be in "whites" but I must have been in his good books because I wasnt sent packing out of the saloon!
On another memorable saloon occasion the Ch.Eng (Mr.Ablett) vigorously shook the bottle of tomato ketchup before ensuring the cap was secure and Capt Mathieson ended up with a red diagonal stripe across his face and uniform - bit like an ambassadors sash!
Happy days? Not that one perhaps!
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Old 1st August 2018, 21:41
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Capt Angus Mathieson

Hello "Nick the Greek",
Thanks for your memory, which descibes Capt Mathieson exactly as I remembered him, beard and all!
It was my first trip as an appprentice and he took a great interest in my learning, quizzed me on the Rules of the Road every evening, and was interested in the training side of apprentices rather than just using us as slave labour as some of the other "Old Men" did!

His emphasis on learning and proefessionalism stayed with me after that, so I often wondered what happened to him.

Good old days!
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Hi Venetian, you wrote a few years ago, but I was wondering if you knew what became of the models of the Egyptian and others? Are they still at Denton?
Cheers
Peter
Hello Peter - I've not been looking for a while, but I can confirm that the model is still at Denton. It's large and in a glass case and in reasonably good condition. I've retired from NWKC but keep in touch so if you are interested in viewing let me know. If I had space I'd love to have her here at home! A model was also offered at 900 by Classic Ship Models some time ago, smaller but good never the less. I have a short 8mm film on DVD taken on our way home from Borneo coming up to Suez. Happy days when ships were ships....
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City of Leeds/GJGV

By the way, does anybody know what became of Brian Middleton, mate on old GJGV back in '64. I've a short film of him walking back from forward starboard on our way up the Red Sea.
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I was 3rd Mate on City of Leeds in 1964 for a coastal ex London, to Le Havre, Hamburg etc then off at Middlesborough. The master was J. Irvine and the Mate a guy called Liversedge I believe. The trip was the most incredible and eventful i ever spent aboard and many years later I was told our trip went down in the annals of E.P folk law. Anybody out there aboard that coastal ? maybe i should write a short story about it one of these days.
I rather think I was the R/O on that trip. Marconi told me that I couldn't go or leave after our adventures in the Far East so I stayed for the coastal. Interesting to say the least ending with dry dock in Middlesborough. As we discharged the ship became lighter and despite the Monsoon in the Indian Ocean I felt very queezy as we hopped overnight from one port to the next. We were aground for a fair time at one stage. No one told me, so I slept through it all. My radio log was somewhat lacking as a result!
God days, long gone,
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I did an FRC course at Gravesend about 15 years ago and I see, to remember there was a full sized ship model of the Egyptian in the reception.
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Early 1970s I knew a Captain Matheson he was from Texas. He was a short skinny guy, very friendly and outgoing. Rarely does one see a deck officer in the engine room. But daily Captain Matheson wandered around the whole ship and touched base with everyone he ran across. He called it Management by Wandering Around.

When I got into management with Westin I delegated all of my responsibilities except my signature to my staff. I spent my days wandering around the property. The Arizona Biltmore Resort was forty acres of mostly one or two story buildings but there were three four story and one three story buildings. I touched base with department heads and assistants and I knew many of the employees. There were also two eighteen hole golf courses and the whole thing was 600 acres.

In hospitality settings the Maintenance Department works with ALL other departments and often I became aware of things that needed doing. From hourly employees, that needed to do the work that the department managers never mentioned. I am a firm believer of Management by Wandering Around.

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I did an FRC course at Gravesend about 15 years ago and I see, to remember there was a full sized ship model of the Egyptian in the reception.
You are quite correct, that's the model. She's now down at the Empty Denton site near the fire ground away from the main college where you would have seen her. I believe the model actually belongs to the Marine Society and is on permanent loan to the college but is no longer seen by students as the site is unused being the former Seaman's Mission building. l'd dearly love to look after her and maybe write a book on the adventures we had on the City of Leeds ex Venetian on passage to Borneo, while we were there, and on our way home.
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Hello Peter - I've not been looking for a while, but I can confirm that the model is still at Denton. It's large and in a glass case and in reasonably good condition. I've retired from NWKC but keep in touch so if you are interested in viewing let me know. If I had space I'd love to have her here at home! A model was also offered at 900 by Classic Ship Models some time ago, smaller but good never the less. I have a short 8mm film on DVD taken on our way home from Borneo coming up to Suez. Happy days when ships were ships....
Thanks Venetian. I'm a bit confiused with initials, but I assume you mean the National Maritime Training Centre on Lower Higham Road? I must try to check it out, but I live down near Bath now so not so easy. I wonder why particularly the "Egyptian" scale model is there, given all the possible models they might have acquired. I hope they continue to look after it! Yes, Borneo, a great trip.. Kuching, swimming at the Sarawak Club, Labuan, Jesselton, loading timber at Tanjung Manis...... Connell House Singapore. We went out on the Egyptian as City of Leicester in May/June/July 1964, had a horrendous journey back across Indian Ocean in SW Monsoon. Took so long we ran out of fresh water, had to drink beer instead in the last few days before we struggled into Aden.
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Thanks Venetian. I'm a bit confiused with initials, but I assume you mean the National Maritime Training Centre on Lower Higham Road? I must try to check it out, but I live down near Bath now so not so easy. I wonder why particularly the "Egyptian" scale model is there, given all the possible models they might have acquired. I hope they continue to look after it! Yes, Borneo, a great trip.. Kuching, swimming at the Sarawak Club, Labuan, Jesselton, loading timber at Tanjung Manis...... Connell House Singapore. We went out on the Egyptian as City of Leicester in May/June/July 1964, had a horrendous journey back across Indian Ocean in SW Monsoon. Took so long we ran out of fresh water, had to drink beer instead in the last few days before we struggled into Aden.
Exactly the same as we experienced on old GJGV other than Singapore was a riot when we arrived so we steamed straight off to Kuching. We loaded timber and tin in Port Swetnam (?) and while alongside an ancient BI liner crept in, the Rajula. I had seen her before in Singapore a couple of years back when on the Orcades. I thought at the time she must have been left over from the war she was so old. But no. She dropped a boat and the senior R/O came aboard and asked if as a Marconi ship I could let him have a spare magnetron as their radar wasn't picking up targets closer than two miles. It didn't do the trick, I now know it was a shorted out series resistor on the T/R cell's keep alive voltage circuit. But I was invited onboard the Rajula - what a fabulous ship with palms growing on the boat deck and 1st class passengers only allowed by invitation. But the junior R/O wanted to swap with me as a lovely Indian girl had him in her sights. But instead I came back through the Monsoon just like you. Miles out in our DR, Captain Brownley saying the radar wasn't working because it to failed to see Socotra and the colour of the screen had changed to green from orange and he would sack me if we made Aden. But next morning all was well. Socotra had appeared hours later, we were 50 NM out in our DR so he gave me a banana instead of the sack!
Yes it's the National Maritime Training Centre now, but it's at their Denton site now unused next to the Met Police firearms training centre that formerly was the old Seaman's school before it combined with the Gravesend College.
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