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Old 27th November 2018, 05:26
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I sailed as ETO on an OBO called 'EB Carrier', under Turkish flag. I was with an agency, but v/l under D's, She was a wreck. I think she may have been 'Nordic Chieftain' originally.
Anybody got info on her?

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Old 27th November 2018, 12:10
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Did we meet Duncs? The only ETO I remember on her was Neil Long. She was the sister of Nordic Crusader which became Cast Fulmar. My last trip as E/O before coming ashore to invent ETOs. A fun trip. Sunderland Forge Self igniting switchboards (mine funnily enough was the emergency board which was differently and more reliably built. Nonetheless....). We ran out of fuel (actually we had oodles but nothing with which to pump it aft the idiotic submersible hydraulic drive pumps in the fwd. deep tanks having failed). The we almost hit Bermuda or Bahamas when we failed to go astern on calling for gas oil (all that they had) to finish the voyage). Fun, fun, all the way!

I saw EB C a couple of times (another sign of her being a fun palace). D trying to import our officers and crew, Mr. Sonmez pleading poverty and kept trying to change all to Turkish. I cannot fully recall the chronology but she had a fire in the after GSP and the starters had been reconnected with welding cable somewhere off Capetown (from memory). Tom McNeil in full sail as all-purpose superintendent/manager/owners tutor fitting new D/A Starboard side.

I also have a photograph of 'our' Filipino 'E/O''s cabin with a hot plate dangling from the light fitting and a heating lamp in his shower. This was after he had been sent home when I was looking for the ships electrical drawings which he had hidden under his bunk.

Neil was my eventual solution to that particular problem. I am not sure he appreciated the immense favour I felt this to be! It was he who attached training wheels to my Sembawang Superintendent's bicycle (it was a team effort, Maurice Kennedy had drawn my attention for the afternoon with either gin or beer whilst my traitorous staff modified the bike - much to the amusement of the entire shipyard). She was there after a major engine room flooding and minor mutiny off Japan (was there an axe mark in the old man's door when you were there?). That incident adequately illustrated the shortcoming in emergency alternator testing Ken Greer was onboard (I think the mutiny came first) and, blacked out after the flood, they were able to moonphone the office only five minutes in the hour which was about the endurance of the emergency generator without overheating. Weekly starting and stopping had allowed cold corrosion and there was a hole in on piston. Run them until all temperatures have reached normal and stable temperature!

Hilmi Sonmez was (is, am sure) a decent type and the only owner that has replaced a switchboard on my say-so. I was showing him the tulip connectors on the Sunderland Forge withdrawable starters that had managed to cause fires on every one we had and he asked me how to fix it. I replied that we had had a long experience of these and overlooking one improperly tightened tulip could burn the thing down. i.e. we had no solution but to throw them out and put in decently designed boards. And that's exactly what he did.

I am sure I can dredge more from the black museum to remind you of the good old days you must have had on her! (I remember the bridge wing RPM illumination feeding back to the tacho circuit and causing ME overspeed trip - what fabulous ships we Brits used to build).

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Old 27th November 2018, 16:40
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NORDIC CHIEFTAIN / CAST HERON / HELM (1981 - 1986) OBO
O.N. 363449. 86,098g. 59,370n. 161,798d. 957’ 6” x 140’ 3” x 81’ 0”
8-cyl 2 SCSA (980 x 2000mm) B&W type by Harland & Wolff Ltd, Belfast. 30,400bhp
5.4.1974: Launched by Sunderland Ship Builders Ltd., North Sands Yard Sunderland (Yard No.732)
11.1974: Completed for Anglo-Eastern Bulkships Ltd. - Denholm Ship Management Ltd
1981: Sold to Cast Combination Carriers Ltd and renamed CAST HERON
1983: Sold to Marvin Brook Ltd, and renamed HELM
1986: Sold to Ziden Denizcilik ve Ticaret A.S.Turkey and renamed INCI-S.
1988: Sold to Emmersdale Shipping S.A. Panama and renamed CHIHIROSAN
1989: Renamed EUROBULK CARRIER
1989: Renamed E.B.CARRIER
1992: Renamed COMRADE
1994: Renamed BULK ATHENA
28.7.1994: Arrived at Alang for demolition
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Old 27th November 2018, 23:00
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David V,
no, we haven't met. Re EB C It would take me too long to explain the problems I had. After repairing the float switches in the pump room bilges, the phil eng ignoring the alarms(I had fixed), and the pump room nearly flooding, which I caught in time. Turk engs losing steam and TA lost and no air to start a gen. Managed eventually to charge a comp by some dodgy tricks using emgy gen, and I mean dodgy, and got a diesel on the board.

A lot of my time was spent getting the IG system working and we passed a survey on it in Singapore. Mr Somnez wanted us to carry oil for our next cargo(we had coal from Aussie at the time).

In Iskenderun, Mr Somnez's head man came on board. He turned out to be Kenny Macleod from Stornoway. I had sailed with Kenny many years before, when he was 2/O on the Stirling Bridge. I told him(after a few beers together), I wouldn't sail with an oil cargo(too dangerous), he arranged my repatriation.

I don't know if she actually carried an oil cargo after that.


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Old 28th November 2018, 02:01
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Well, I am pleased we have now.

That pumproom design was supposed to have been a special university commission. Maybe excellent for pipeline fluid mechanics but ergonomic nightmare (and I was not much less fat then).

Nothing wrong with reverse feeding from the ESB - that is if you haven't burned it to the ground. The short circuit protection's all to cock but then how often does one have a short circuit? (Sunderland Forge excepted). Ken Greer's solution was altogether dodgier employing CO2 bottles.

IO didn't remember Kenny being in Turkey, only Tom McNeill exiled there. It was Kenny as Master that got the knock at his door. Capt. Omur Ostaskin was a good Sonmez man, just one of far too few to run a shipping company.

During one visit he had his son with him (perhaps a son) he had been offered a trip but Mrs Sonmez had objected on the grounds of safety.

I am not sure which or if it is true but one of the them sank. In water not deep enough to disguise from underwriters that she had been unseaworthy so no claim allowed.

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Old 28th November 2018, 02:49
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David, I'll stand corrected on this. But, I was told the ER and pump room were flooded at some stage. I spent some time putting alarms on a diesel gennie(none on it), which I believe was a retrofit, after flooding. I was also told, Kenny, who was OM at the time, went into the flooded pump room with BA to open valves under water. I was told this after leaving.

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Old 28th November 2018, 03:29
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many thanks for info.
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Old 28th November 2018, 11:16
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I don't remember anything about pump room flooding. The engine room one was caused when a bend broke off after one of the (Siemens motored) SW pumps.
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Old 29th November 2018, 02:55
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As I said, David, I stood to be corrected. This was told to me 2nd/3rd hand? My own prob re pumproom. Plates were being repaired on wing tanks, welders(Turk), left a plate off, C/O, ballasting didn't know, ballast water into bilges and pump room bilges. Caught in time.

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Old 29th November 2018, 08:22
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Until I joined this Website I believed Denholm's was a Blue-Chip outfit.

Until I read Mr. Varley's posts I believed Sunderland Forge were the Rolls-Royce of Switchboards.

Until I joined the Texaco Denmark I believed Rolls Royce made good diesel engines, the elite.

Bubbles burst all around, do I require counselling? Or am I just a simpleton?

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Old 29th November 2018, 12:13
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It took good men to run such ships. Running the client was always more difficult, horses to water and all that. An owner makes the mistake of spending money on what he wants to and not on what he needs to. The manager has to spend what is needed with the money the owner wants for something else.

I remember Denmark's Em D/A (As I do TOR I and TOR II) and that the door would be dangerously sucked shut if it started with it unsecured. Was it still in situ when she went for scrap? Those for the main generators on the ex Uiterwyk reefers (largest EM Slip couplings ever made) were long gone when we got a couple. The only evidence being the rail on which the lead curtain had run around them to stop the disintegrating running gear flying further from the crankcase than necessary.

Sunderland Forge was just that sort of Rolls Royce.

There is an old joke. I have a Stradivarius and a Rembrandt. Unfortunately Stradivarius did not paint well nor Mr. Rembrandt make good violins.
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Old 2nd January 2019, 12:33
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I was 1st trip Engineer Cadet on Norvegia Team, Capt George Hay, I thought I had entered a mad house, but had a great time. Joined in Cape Town then Freeport Bahamas, Ras Tanura, Kaoshung, Hay Point then left in Taranto
E/C on Advara in SE ASia and Australia
J/E on Loch Maree, Asia Liner, Troll Park, Arctic Troll and Scotstoun.
Went ashore after twice being relieved by Sri Lankans on 50% my salary serving trips 50% longer
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Old 2nd January 2019, 13:02
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I was 1st trip Engineer Cadet on Norvegia Team, Capt George Hay, I thought I had entered a mad house, but had a great time. Joined in Cape Town then Freeport Bahamas, Ras Tanura, Kaoshung, Hay Point then left in Taranto
E/C on Advara in SE ASia and Australia
J/E on Loch Maree, Asia Liner, Troll Park, Arctic Troll and Scotstoun.
Went ashore after twice being relieved by Sri Lankans on 50% my salary serving trips 50% longer
Dave, were you in the August 1973 intake at Glasgow CNS?
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Old 2nd January 2019, 15:49
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Dave,
When were you on Norvegia Team and Loch Maree?
I was on Loch Maree Feb 77 to June 77 and Oct 79 to Mar 80, Norvegia Team Sept 77 to Feb 78.

What did you do when you came ashore?
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I was 1st trip Engineer Cadet on Norvegia Team, Capt George Hay, I thought I had entered a mad house, but had a great time. Joined in Cape Town then Freeport Bahamas, Ras Tanura, Kaoshung, Hay Point then left in Taranto
E/C on Advara in SE ASia and Australia
J/E on Loch Maree, Asia Liner, Troll Park, Arctic Troll and Scotstoun.
Went ashore after twice being relieved by Sri Lankans on 50% my salary serving trips 50% longer
Would you have been on the Scotstoun in 1971-1972?
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Old 3rd January 2019, 06:52
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Would you have been on the Scotstoun in 1971-1972?
I was Junior Engineer. Not sure of dates but joined in Rio then loaded bagged sugar in Recife for Bandar Abbas. Swing there at anchor for ages, then alongside for unloading, mostly by hand and very slowly, by Afghans, at the beginning of the Iranian revolution. Eventually left, without pilot, in company with some other vessels. Loaded Iron ore at Goa ( again mostly by hand ) then discharged in Constanza - Romania where we did a complete Officer and Crew change with a chartered twin turbo prop flight back to Prestwick where 2 of the UK crew were arrested for something they did before joining.
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Old 3rd January 2019, 19:47
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still here rod holroyd crinan 1963 intake
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Old 3rd January 2019, 21:44
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This thread starts with "Anyone left from". , always gives me a start , are we all fading away . Will the last crewman close the hatch.
A better thread start is "Any old Bankers out there"
Don't worry , there are thousands of us.

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I was Junior Engineer. Not sure of dates but joined in Rio then loaded bagged sugar in Recife for Bandar Abbas. Swing there at anchor for ages, then alongside for unloading, mostly by hand and very slowly, by Afghans, at the beginning of the Iranian revolution. Eventually left, without pilot, in company with some other vessels. Loaded Iron ore at Goa ( again mostly by hand ) then discharged in Constanza - Romania where we did a complete Officer and Crew change with a chartered twin turbo prop flight back to Prestwick where 2 of the UK crew were arrested for something they did before joining.
The Iranian revolution was 1979, unless you're talking about the one in 1953.
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Old 4th January 2019, 13:27
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Anyone been on these?
Helm 1983
Bise 1984
Pacific Express 1985, 1986
Canada's Tomorrow 1985
Taifung (ex Blue Whale) 1986, 1987

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Old 4th January 2019, 16:17
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Anyone been on these?
Helm 1983
Bise 1984
Pacific Express 1985, 1986
Canada's Tomorrow 1985
Taifung (ex Blue Whale) 1986, 1987

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Hi Bob I was on the Cast Heron when she changed her name to Helm anchored off Gibraltar. Joined 19/06/1983 at Huelva and left 22/10/1983 at Genoa - last ship in Denholm's

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Old 5th January 2019, 10:28
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Hi Andy, I was Mate on the Helm from Dec 1983 to Apr 1984. You're right. She was a wreck. I was regular in Denholms, but I nearly walked off in Rotterdam. Luckily, a riding squad joined there, and all the defective cargo valves were repaired. Helm was later sold to the Turkish company (Sonmez, I think), and later, I was sent there as a Training Officer for Denholms in 1986/87when the Turks were having trouble. By then she was Inci S. That ship was 'Trouble'.
I found various name changes as follows:
Former name(s):
- Comrade (Until 1994)
- Comtrade (Until 1993 Nov)
- Chihirosan (Until 1989 Mar)
- Eurobulk Carrier (Until 1989)
- Inci S (Until 1988)
- Helm (Until 1986)
- Cast Heron (Until 1983)
- Nordic Chieftain (Until 1981)

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Old 5th January 2019, 11:13
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Was on her as Nordic chieftain when she was storage tanker out in Ardjuna oil field Indonesia. Interesting 3 months.
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Hi Andy, I was Mate on the Helm from Dec 1983 to Apr 1984. You're right. She was a wreck. I was regular in Denholms, but I nearly walked off in Rotterdam. Luckily, a riding squad joined there, and all the defective cargo valves were repaired. Helm was later sold to the Turkish company (Sonmez, I think), and later, I was sent there as a Training Officer for Denholms in 1986/87when the Turks were having trouble. By then she was Inci S. That ship was 'Trouble'.
I found various name changes as follows:
Former name(s):
- Comrade (Until 1994)
- Comtrade (Until 1993 Nov)
- Chihirosan (Until 1989 Mar)
- Eurobulk Carrier (Until 1989)
- Inci S (Until 1988)
- Helm (Until 1986)
- Cast Heron (Until 1983)
- Nordic Chieftain (Until 1981)

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Hi Bob,

I was also sent over to her with an Engineer Cadet from the Cast Kittiwake when anchored up the Gulf Autumn 1982 to assist in removing a cargo valve in the pumproom. We were up to our thighs in in crude oil and trying to work with spark free tools. We were there for 2 days but got called back to the Kittiwake before the job was finished as she had received orders to load oil at Kharg Island. She had a history of leaking cargo valves.

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Old 5th January 2019, 17:47
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NORDIC CHIEFTAIN / CAST HERON / HELM OBO
O.N. 363449. 86,098g. 59,370n. 161,798d. 957’ 6” x 140’ 3” x 81’ 0”
8-cyl 2 SCSA (980 x 2000mm) B&W type by Harland & Wolff Ltd, Belfast. 30,400bhp
5.4.1974: Launched by Sunderland Ship Builders Ltd., North Sands Yard Sunderland (Yard No.732)
11.1974: Completed for Anglo-Eastern Bulkships Ltd. (Denholm Ship Management Ltd)
22.11.1974: Registered at London
1981: Sold to Cast Combination Carriers Ltd and renamed CAST HERON
1983: Sold to Marvin Brook Ltd, and renamed HELM
1986: Sold to Ziden Denizcilik ve Ticaret A.S.Turkey and renamed INCI-S.
1988: Sold to Emmersdale Shipping S.A. Panama and renamed CHIHIROSAN
1989: Renamed EUROBULK CARRIER
1989: Renamed E.B.CARRIER
1992: Renamed COMRADE
1994: Renamed BULK ATHENA
28.7.1994: Arrived at Alang for demolition
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