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Old 7th September 2017, 09:20
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Britain orders fleet of 'budget battleships' in deal to boost shipbuilding

6 SEPTEMBER 2017 • 12:01AM

A radical shake-up of how warships will be built for the Royal Navy that aims to spread the work around the country has been unveiled by the Ministry of Defence.

Proposals floated by industrialist Sir John Parker in his review of the sector last year have been backed by Defence Secretary Sir Michael Fallon in a move intended to deliver budget vessels to the British military that are also aimed at being attractive to foreign buyers.

Under the National Shipbuilding Strategy, Britain will buy five “Type 31e” general purpose frigates – a cut-price warship – to bolster the Royal Navy’s depleted fleet, with the first one intended to enter service in 2023.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...-shipbuilding/
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Sounds like a pretty good idea to me. As long as the ships are on a par with other ships within say Nato.
Basically it's saying that we no longer have the capability of building any ships in one single place, and One Off orders solely for the RN is no longer cost effective.
It's good if we can flog reasonably priced ships to other nations.
Hopefully these ships, if built for the RN, would have some built in advantages not available in those sold to foreign flags.
Better than just flogging off our older ships at a cut price to all and sundry I suppose.
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5 years to build a cut price gunboat - won't they be out of date when they hit the water?

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As long as they are 'containership proof'! And while these new ships are building, the RN should look at their own watchkeeping abilities. Come to 2023 there won't be any watchkeepers with any sea experience.
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It's the Type 21 saga all over again, almost a carbon copy in fact.
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what a farce cut price ships for the Royal Navy. Good god lets stop giving Billions in foreign aid and aid ourselves first cut price ships what an embarrassment we are. lets just build real solid ships and be proud of what we could do and still can do.
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We should buy a few OSVs while the price is cheap, ideal for coastal patrol & ERV combined.

Plus it would give the RN watch time on real ships.
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Old 7th September 2017, 15:25
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Five new frigates, they should be able to keep two at sea at any one time, but remember they are going to need two task forces to defend their new aircraft carriers.
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What we should do, and what we can do in the way of naval ships are two entirely different things.
We'd all like to build the highest quality ships, and sod the expense, but we just can't do it these days.
It's time we realised that we are little different in strength or wealth than most other countries in Europe, and we must trim our sails accordingly.
These new ships need to be little more than decoys, or sacrificial lambs, to protect the big boys in ours and other fleets, so don't need to cost quite as much.
It's a sad fact that we aren't the great maritime nation that we once were. The RN had a major surface fleet when the British Merchant Fleet was the biggest in the world, and was there to protect primarily British ships. That's no longer the case.
The Good old days are long gone when we need "The Fleet" in the way we used to. Most fleets are jointly owned by several countries, as they are in NATO.
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Cammell Laird are in the frame for the building ! Having worked there and what I know I hope they are not built there ! https://www.clbh.co.uk/cammell-laird...lding-strategy
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Will they be built on the same principle as the QE carriers, bits & pieces built all over the place & jig sawed together at a nominated yard. What a farce.
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The armed forces have become secondary to the NHS, not overseas aid. Until we curb the ridiculous cost of the NHS we simply won't have a meaningful defence budget.

NHS budget 2017 125 billion pounds, UK defence budget 44 billion, including 7.2 foreign aid.

Go figure.... 3x the defence budget.

++ In 2000 the defence budget was 28 bn and the BBC reported on budget day:

Tuesday, 21 March, 2000, 17:39 GMT
Billions for the NHS

The total NHS budget is to rise by 35% in real terms over the next five years, Chancellor Gordon Brown has announced.

Mr Brown told the House of Commons spending on the NHS would rise from £49.3bn in the current financial year to £54.2bn next year - £2bn more than had been planned.

The year after that, spending will rise again, to £58.6bn, then to £63.5bn, then to £68.7bn in the year starting April 2003.
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So since 2000, the NHS budget has gone from £49.3bn to £125bn, an increase of 260% whereas the defence budget has rised from £28 bn to £44bn, +157%.

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Two things are certain. These new vessels won't be "battleships," and the certainly won't be on budget.
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The armed forces have become secondary to the NHS, not overseas aid. Until we curb the ridiculous cost of the NHS we simply won't have a meaningful defence budget.

NHS budget 2017 125 billion pounds, UK defence budget 44 billion, including 7.2 foreign aid.

Go figure.... 3x the defence budget.

++ In 2000 the defence budget was 28 bn and the BBC reported on budget day:

Tuesday, 21 March, 2000, 17:39 GMT
Billions for the NHS

The total NHS budget is to rise by 35% in real terms over the next five years, Chancellor Gordon Brown has announced.

Mr Brown told the House of Commons spending on the NHS would rise from £49.3bn in the current financial year to £54.2bn next year - £2bn more than had been planned.

The year after that, spending will rise again, to £58.6bn, then to £63.5bn, then to £68.7bn in the year starting April 2003.
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So since 2000, the NHS budget has gone from £49.3bn to £125bn, an increase of 260% whereas the defence budget has rised from £28 bn to £44bn, +157%.
Ahem? In this day and age....
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Never fear Dickyboy, that's not going to happen.
Sir Michael Fallon has sunk without grace after some sexual shenanigans, And the opening poster, who was such a vociferous Tory shill has likewise vanished.
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Never fear Dickyboy, that's not going to happen.
Sir Michael Fallon has sunk without grace after some sexual shenanigans, And the opening poster, who was such a vociferous Tory shill has likewise vanished.
I only bought the post up Tongue in Cheek, to point out where the priority of spending is, and should be spent, today.
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