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Old 14th October 2010, 14:06
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Served my time with CPR (as it was known then). Aboard the Beaverford when she was 'iced in' alongside in Montreal October 1958 to February 1959. Interesting times!
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Old 10th November 2011, 10:32
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Hello Geoff, Did you say that you were 4th Eng. on the Beaverfir in 1966. I was 4th Eng. on her in 1962. Were all the beer labels still stuck inside the wardrobe in the 4ths cabin?
An interesting fact that I just uncovered yesterday. Canadian Pacific bought the fleet of Beaver ships from Elder Dempster in 1903. Hey, where would we be without computers.
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Old 10th November 2011, 11:37
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There is a lot of confusing information on the Web. I know that it was definately the Empress of Canada that caught fire in Gladstone dock in 1953. There is another reference to the Empress of Canada being torpedoed by an Italian submarine in either 1942 or 1943. Strangely she was carrying Italian POWs and an awful lot of them were lost. I can only put this down to the fact that CP was forever changing the names of their ships. I`m sure that they lost another ship by a fire. I remember one thing they were very strict about fire drill. We would be questioned about Fire extinguishers and Fire exits and if you didn`t know the locations you were in trouble.
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Old 10th November 2011, 23:43
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was on the beaverfir, 5 trips, all great lakes. rolled like a barrel.lol. 25-3-64. to 19-12-64. cheers, colin. K.
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Old 11th November 2011, 16:23
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I kept my testimonials that you got on leaving a ship and I`ve just found that the Chief Engineer on the Beaverfir 1962 to 1963 was J McKibbon. I get a good laugh when I sometimes dig them out and see the Report as to Sobriety---- Very Good. How bad had you to be to be called a drunk??????
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Hello Geoff, Did you say that you were 4th Eng. on the Beaverfir in 1966. I was 4th Eng. on her in 1962. Were all the beer labels still stuck inside the wardrobe in the 4ths cabin?
An interesting fact that I just uncovered yesterday. Canadian Pacific bought the fleet of Beaver ships from Elder Dempster in 1903. Hey, where would we be without computers.
Geoff hasn't been to SN since April 2009. I hope he's OK.
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Old 8th April 2012, 23:27
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Hello Shipmates,I sailed on the Empress of England 67/68 It was a great ship to be on.I joined at the tail of the bank on the clyde with a piper playing in full regalia as passengers were boarding.I was catering boy and on Joining found myself promoted to the platehouse.good move as wages trebled.Then made my way into the Kitchen as Assistant Cook.I think it was a Jim Jeffries who was Chef and George Sandys.I remember sailing down the clyde on her when The Q E 2 was doing her trials. She was astern of us when she developed problems.
Some of my best seagoing memories were of that vessel,liverpool for me was the best run ashore in the World bar none and that after a career at sea of over eighteen years.Sailing to Montreal in the summer and then on to the cruising.Those were the days.Regards to any who were there at the time.
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Old 25th June 2012, 16:27
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Have not seen any reference to CP on this site, I sailed on the Beaverboats from 1965 to 1970. Looking for anyone who sailed at that time. Sailed on Beaverelm, Beaverash, Beaverpine, Lord Strathcona, and Pacific Logger.
Had some great times, met some great people.
Geoff Bray
Geoff; just re-registered on the site. Getting a little bit older, but delighted at first visit to see reference to CP Ships:
Joined - Beaveroak/CP Ambassador, NR Crump, then sent to TSU for the Maiden of the TG Shaughnessy on which I served for a while.
Left CP late '74 and joined ZAPATA Marine to work the Nigerian Oil Base at WARRI. First post for years will keep it short.
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Old 25th June 2012, 18:27
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Sailed on the Scotland as A.B,late 50s cruising out of New York. Was the the Empress boat that was previously the DeGrasse I think it was the France,they used to say at the Pool as she was going thro looking for a crew(Keep of the Grass) maybe some Liverpool crew will remember this and why it was said.
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Old 9th September 2013, 16:31
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timelink site.

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Geoff
What is the url for the website for CP Ships ex employees
Regards

Gand00k1n
You requested the url for the timelink site. Just had an email back from Marshall Christie today, re uploading photos. The only one that can upload on the site is himself.

copy of the paragraph

'Thanks for yours yes I can upload photos onto the website but no one else can!!!'

Can't say I blame him. Most of the ones I have are 'happy snappies' of parties and not everyone wants to be remembered of their youth taking part in fancy dress parties etc.

Lucy Knight
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Old 11th September 2013, 20:36
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There is a lot of confusing information on the Web. I know that it was definately the Empress of Canada that caught fire in Gladstone dock in 1953. There is another reference to the Empress of Canada being torpedoed by an Italian submarine in either 1942 or 1943. Strangely she was carrying Italian POWs and an awful lot of them were lost. I can only put this down to the fact that CP was forever changing the names of their ships. I`m sure that they lost another ship by a fire. I remember one thing they were very strict about fire drill. We would be questioned about Fire extinguishers and Fire exits and if you didn`t know the locations you were in trouble.
The Empress of Canada that was sunk in WW2 was launched in 1920. The Empress of Canada that burned in the Gladstone Docks in 1953 was originally the CP liner Duchess of Richmond, launched in 1928, but renamed the Empress of Canada in 1947. Hope that helps.

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Old 12th September 2013, 13:46
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The Empress of Canada that was sunk in WW2 was launched in 1920. The Empress of Canada that burned in the Gladstone Docks in 1953 was originally the CP liner Duchess of Richmond, launched in 1928, but renamed the Empress of Canada in 1947. Hope that helps.

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In 1981 George Musk wrote and excellent book called something like Canadian Pacific- Hisoty of Famous shipping line. He has also wrote others. He had about 30 yrs in the office then I believe and it was offered in the CP monthly rag Summer 81 at a discount.

This book tells the story and history of all the Empress ships , Beaver boats modern CP Ships fleet and loads of photos.

It mentioned the Empress of Canada being sunk near South Africa and also how Captain Williams (died 2003 and worked on Empress, Beaver and CP Ships fleet inc ID Sinclair) was an apprentice on it when it sunk. (Later to be Captain on the Empress boats and in CP Ships fleet. I remember him telling me about it on the Sinclair and how he and another young lad jumped over side by side and his friend never came up . He put it down to sharks. The book said about the Italian POWs and how a German submarine surfaced and picked up only the Italian doctor POW amongst the Italian POW's The doctor had apparently had his port open before it was struck. It also mentioned that the ship had received a change or order followed by another. It said that after the war Captain Williams met a German radio operator who said the change of orders had been sent from Germany. A lot of the losses where apparently because they were in shark infested waters for quite a long time before they were rescued. There was a copy of this book on ABE books recently which would have been cheaper than the original hardback.

On the timelink site re his obituary written by one of his family it mentioned him telling his grandson 'if ever in shark infested waters head for an oil slick' It also mentions that during his career experienced ship sabotage and bugging of the ship's communication system. Maybe thats what the reference is about.
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Old 12th September 2013, 20:02
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When sailing with CP it was generally believed the Book was called "The Birth of a Company" giving the complete history from the first mine at Trois Riviere and the subsiquent expansion to, what was then, the early 70's.

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Old 13th September 2013, 01:36
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good day pensioner.sm.today.05:02.re:canadian pacific.just an inquiry.did you ever hear of the beaverdalle.i was on her in 1946.i don't suppose shes still around.here are her stats from my discharge book,beaverdale.london.o.n.180818.g.t.9901.n.t.900 0.hope this is of interest to you and other x.cp.did they ever name another the beaverdalle??I must add they considered her very modern in her day.have a great day.regards ben27
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Old 13th September 2013, 10:23
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In 1981 George Musk wrote and excellent book called something like Canadian Pacific- Hisoty of Famous shipping line. He has also wrote others. He had about 30 yrs in the office then I believe and it was offered in the CP monthly rag Summer 81 at a discount.

This book tells the story and history of all the Empress ships , Beaver boats modern CP Ships fleet and loads of photos.

It mentioned the Empress of Canada being sunk near South Africa and also how Captain Williams (died 2003 and worked on Empress, Beaver and CP Ships fleet inc ID Sinclair) was an apprentice on it when it sunk. (Later to be Captain on the Empress boats and in CP Ships fleet. I remember him telling me about it on the Sinclair and how he and another young lad jumped over side by side and his friend never came up . He put it down to sharks. The book said about the Italian POWs and how a German submarine surfaced and picked up only the Italian doctor POW amongst the Italian POW's The doctor had apparently had his port open before it was struck. It also mentioned that the ship had received a change or order followed by another. It said that after the war Captain Williams met a German radio operator who said the change of orders had been sent from Germany. A lot of the losses where apparently because they were in shark infested waters for quite a long time before they were rescued. There was a copy of this book on ABE books recently which would have been cheaper than the original hardback.

On the timelink site re his obituary written by one of his family it mentioned him telling his grandson 'if ever in shark infested waters head for an oil slick' It also mentions that during his career experienced ship sabotage and bugging of the ship's communication system. Maybe thats what the reference is about.
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I sailed with Captain Williams on the N.R.Crump and he told me that on the Empress of Canada that the wireless messages came from the Germans to a point where they were intercepted by a U-Boat and torpedoed.He ended up in the water with an Electrician who had on a boilersuit with short sleeves and being in the water the fish came and nibbled at the electricians forearms whereas Bill had a long sleeved shirt on . Bill also told me as he handed over a CP passenger ship to the Germans the German Captain and he were reminicing about the war and it transpired that it was him that was the Captain of the U-boat that sunk the ship.I enjoyed saing with Bill and he was an absolute gentleman.
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good day pensioner.sm.today.05:02.re:canadian pacific.just an inquiry.did you ever hear of the beaverdalle.i was on her in 1946.i don't suppose shes still around.here are her stats from my discharge book,beaverdale.london.o.n.180818.g.t.9901.n.t.900 0.hope this is of interest to you and other x.cp.did they ever name another the beaverdalle??I must add they considered her very modern in her day.have a great day.regards ben27
Hi Ben
Sorry these ships were before my time in CP I joined them in 1970. I would assume they were probably what was known as "The Black Beavers" for obvious reasons and were Diesel Electric.

Re Bill Williams I also sailed with him on at least one of the Wood Boats and yes found him to be OK.

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I sailed with Captain Williams on the N.R.Crump and he told me that on the Empress of Canada that the wireless messages came from the Germans to a point where they were intercepted by a U-Boat and torpedoed.He ended up in the water with an Electrician who had on a boilersuit with short sleeves and being in the water the fish came and nibbled at the electricians forearms whereas Bill had a long sleeved shirt on . Bill also told me as he handed over a CP passenger ship to the Germans the German Captain and he were reminicing about the war and it transpired that it was him that was the Captain of the U-boat that sunk the ship.I enjoyed saing with Bill and he was an absolute gentleman.
The story youv'e just told was mentioned was touched on in George Musks book. There was also a photo post war of an Empress boat with a politician and his wife on board. I think it was Eden and a Captain looking on which looked like a younger Capt Bill Williams. Also a photo of the ID Sinclair the supertanker he ended up on till he retired.

Canadian Pacific - story of the famous shipping line by George Musk
Publisher David and Charles
ISBN 0-7153-9279-4
1st edition 1981
2nd Edition published 1989 so probably now out of date
I'm not sure David and Charles who were located by Newton Abbot railway station Devon even exist now.

Another book I was recommended by M.C. (editor of timelink site which I haven't obtained yet is:-

Canadian Pacific by Duncan Haws
Publisher Travel Creators Ltd
First published 1992
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When sailing with CP it was generally believed the Book was called "The Birth of a Company" giving the complete history from the first mine at Trois Riviere and the subsiquent expansion to, what was then, the early 70's.

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Must have been a different book as this book didn't get published till 1981 and went right up to then. George Musk did write other books and one of them was earlier as you will see if you google ABE books.
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good day pensioner.sm.yesterday.20:37.(66)re:canadian pacific,thank you for your reply.of course I was on the beaverdall way back.but I was interested about c,p,on readind the thread.i say it again,she was a great ship.a blast from the past,happy sailing regards ben27
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Old 19th September 2013, 16:05
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Does anyone have access or know where there are any 1979 copies of the monthly company mag the office used to send out to the ships. I am interested in obtaining a scan of one article published in probably 79 if not 80.
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Have not seen any reference to CP on this site, I sailed on the Beaverboats from 1965 to 1970. Looking for anyone who sailed at that time. Sailed on Beaverelm, Beaverash, Beaverpine, Lord Strathcona, and Pacific Logger.
Had some great times, met some great people.
Geoff Bray
Hello. The Beavers looked like proper cargo ship. Bit like
Blue Funnel, unmistakable silhouette. Did four months on
The Empress of Canadaand the only thing I missed was
The power of her transmitters. She lasted quite a while.Carnivale
Bought her as their first cruise ship then she went to the Greeks who really
Took care of her and it wasn't until a few years ago she ended up at Gadani
Beach. There's also a pic of the 'white empress' posted by mysrlf.
Take care.
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You might be interesfed to know that out of the three Empresses the Englad kept going until a year or so ago as a school/library ship. I was on the Canada as 6th. Sparks in 62.
Dead right abkut Lpool...in the 60ies it was humming.
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Old 21st September 2013, 14:55
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I sailed on the England for a couple of trips in the galley and shall always remember anchoring off in the Mersey overnight to sail at first tide.I wondered why they did so and was informed that the entire crowd would have piled ashore and chances were that there would been a few crew members short on sailing.
Remember those fellers sitting on their cases on the quay waiting
to cover any shortages?
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Old 24th November 2013, 01:40
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Anyone I Know From My Time With CP Ships Out There?

I was with CP Ships from 1976 to 1980 as 3/E and 2/E.

I sailed in the following order on the W.A. Mather, H.R. MacMillan (when it was arrested in Iraq), W.E. Beatty (with Capt. Bill Williams), CP Voyager, Lord Mount Stephen, CP Trader and then as 2/E on J.V. Clyne, CP Trader, CP Voyager, G.A. Walker and Fort Steele.

I then left the Merchant Navy to work on the rebuilding of the Venice Simplon Orient Express in 1980 and never returned to the sea.

I have great memories of the time I spent with CP Ships.
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Did you know John Phillps Chief Engineer? He was on Srathcona i think. and lord mount stephen. I am sure he spoke about someone calles Geoff who played guitar?
My name is morag. Dad died in 96.
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