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Old 5th September 2019, 04:19
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Navy abandoning virtual touch screen control for ships

Navy scrapping touchscreen controls on destroyers after deadly collisions: report https://www.foxnews.com/tech/navy-di...creen-controls

Its the wrong application of technology to control a boat, they are going back to physical controls.
Which makes a lot of sense! People have hands, arms, feet, and need to interact bodily to control things in a natural world with things like levers, switches, hand and foot controls, its the way we are hardwired.

People died in collisions blamed on touchscreens.
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Old 5th September 2019, 06:47
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Correct. And any number of electronic applications seem to me to only exist to enable the so called designers to show off. Our Renault Scenic has persistent computer problems that don't really reflect anything mechanical. The key is a remote device without any physical key to back it up. I call that asking for trouble.
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Old 5th September 2019, 09:59
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I beg to differ.
Two nay three things come to mind, Luddites, Bandwagons and Cover-up's.
Discuss.
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Old 5th September 2019, 11:10
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Navy scrapping touchscreen controls on destroyers after deadly collisions: report https://www.foxnews.com/tech/navy-di...creen-controls

Its the wrong application of technology to control a boat, they are going back to physical controls.
Which makes a lot of sense! People have hands, arms, feet, and need to interact bodily to control things in a natural world with things like levers, switches, hand and foot controls, its the way we are hardwired.

People died in collisions blamed on touchscreens.
It may be worth pointing out that this story refers to the US Navy. There are others!

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Old 5th September 2019, 11:39
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Meanwhile the RN is running Windows XP in the flying control room of its brand new carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth.
Which is ok actually because there are no aircraft on board anyway
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Old 5th September 2019, 14:02
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Meanwhile the RN is running Windows XP in the flying control room of its brand new carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth.
Which is ok actually because there are no aircraft on board anyway
Pat

XP was the best-regarded O/S ever created by MS - unfortunately, it was MS who decided to end support for it -preferring to earn more revenue from a dodgy and unreliable W10 base.

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Old 5th September 2019, 16:36
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My main screen is a touch screen display, if a fly lands on it the cursor will move to that point.
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Old 5th September 2019, 16:53
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Some body said a computer is as good as the person operating it
My computer is useless
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Old 5th September 2019, 20:45
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Some body said a computer is as good as the person operating it
My computer is useless
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Old 5th September 2019, 21:03
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Meanwhile the RN is running Windows XP in the flying control room of its brand new carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth.
Which is ok actually because there are no aircraft on board anyway
The RN launched and recovered Buccaneers and Phantoms from Ark Royal using chinagraph pencils.
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Old 5th September 2019, 21:06
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The RN launched and recovered Buccaneers and Phantoms from Ark Royal using chinagraph pencils.
And ping pong bats
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Old 12th September 2019, 03:02
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And ping pong bats
Which would be even more suitable today as they don't emit an electronic signature! Crafty chaps these matelots!
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The same principle quite obviously applies in the introduction of "self-driving" motor-cars.

What principle?

The principle that the mere fact that a thing is possible is a very long way from making it right and proper or sensible or safe.

The fault in self-driving cars is self-evident in the much-vaunted provision of the human-override facility. In an activity which requires as much concentration as driving a motor-car it is barking-madness to yield it to automation at any time. The US Navy seems to have proved the point.

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Old 12th September 2019, 07:55
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What happens if a black out occurs. So many devices that will shut down

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The same principle quite obviously applies in the introduction of "self-driving" motor-cars.

What principle?

The principle that the mere fact that a thing is possible is a very long way from making it right and proper or sensible or safe.

The fault in self-driving cars is self-evident in the much-vaunted provision of the human-override facility. In an activity which requires as much concentration as driving a motor-car it is barking-madness to yield it to automation at any time. The US Navy seems to have proved the point.
Well said Barrie, I remember watching a TV program about aircraft pilots some years ago and the view was expressed that a machine is very good at monitoring but not so good at assimilating new information, but the converse is true in a human. It went on to ask why pilots monitored the autopilot rather than the other way round?

There is also the issue that too much reliance on automation will render the human stale and detract from his input when that is required.

Basil may be able to correct me on this but BA require pilots to make a certain percentage of landings manually (1 in 5?) other airlines have lower standards. The high quality of BA's procedures was evident in the near loss of BA 9 - no other airline had a procedure for a dead ship relight in flight - because Boeing said it couldn't happen.
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My main screen is a touch screen display, if a fly lands on it the cursor will move to that point.
What happens if you sneeze on the screen?
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Old 12th September 2019, 13:27
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I could never get the hang of touch screen, or pads for that matter. A simple mouse does for me. It's the simplest and fastest way for me to point and click. Bring back XP I say!
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Old 12th September 2019, 17:16
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What happens if you sneeze on the screen?
It becomes a bit of a majority vote. I try not to do it, "snot on the touch screen" is not an error message you want to see.

The touch screen can be useful when everything else goes wrong, a quick dab at the screen can be a big help.
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Old 20th September 2019, 00:30
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Not exactly Touch Screen, but I remember a whole bunch of newbuild supply boats with LCD instrument displays.
Worked fine until arriving in Australian temperatures then they all went blank because they were too hot.
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Old 20th September 2019, 04:38
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Had a screen based thermometer thingy for recording temperatures inside rail ore wagons in Port Hedland eleven years ago. Bit of a heat wave at the time and the temperature went up to almost 50 C outside but it must have been considerably hotter inside the steel wagon in the sun and the screen went solid blank black.

Oh well that's a few bob down the drain we thought so put it in the fridge in the crib room as nothing to lose.

It's sitting here on my desk where it is showing 23 C and 45% humidity 11 years later!
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