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Old 13th January 2008, 22:37
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Lithgows Ltd - Port Glasgow

Hello!
Ok, this is not a ship, but a shipbuilder!

Anyone knows if still exist (and where is it!) an archive about ships built by Lithgows Ltd - Port Glasgow? Any idea of who succeded at this company?
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Old 13th January 2008, 23:17
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Lithgow's no longer exists in any form. In 1969 Lithgow merged with Scotts Shipbuilding & Engineering to form Scott-Lithgow Ltd.
Scott-Lithgow were absorbed into British Shipbuilders in 1977 which only hastened the company's demise as it seemed what orders for political expediency were seemed to be diverted away from Scott-Lithgow. The last work done by the yard was the self propelled semi-submersible drilling rig Ocean Alliance in 1987.
Lithgow's originally had two yards in Port Glasgow. The East Yard and the Kingston Yard with Wm Hamilton between them.
Port Glasgow is located on the lower reaches of the River Clyde adjacent to the town of Greenock.
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Old 13th January 2008, 23:41
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Thank you Jim,
do you think that Lithgow's old archive with ship plans and technical sheets is completely gone?
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Old 14th January 2008, 00:36
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Lithgow's - -
Early 1960s I wrote to Lithgow's.addressed to Office Manager..
I complimented them on building sturdy ships and wrote I had sailed in two of them - CAPE HOWE maiden voyage 1943 and FREECREST ex EMPIRE AUSTEN in 1951..In a SAE I asked if I could obtain a photo of the ships taken when new..
After three weeks and no acknowledgement I wrote again and included a 3 Postal Order thinking that money would bring results..
Needless to say I heard no more..There's one born every minute!!
I later realised that addressing it to Officer Manager was an error..
I am still looking for a wartime photo of CAPE HOWE - she was equipped with torpedo protection nets..
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Old 14th January 2008, 02:29
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Hi Stan,
Can't find a wartime photo but here's on of her.

http://www.clydesite.co.uk/clydebuil...p.asp?id=18301

I think the net device was called an "AND" (Admiralty Net Defences) or something similar, one of my old mans ships was Fort Venango, fitted with AND. Also an interesting site on the 1st Cape Howe at

http://www.mikekemble.com/ww2/merchantnavy6.html

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Old 14th January 2008, 14:51
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Hi VB,
Thankyou for the links. Of the photo of CAPE HOWE 2 which I sailed in,I have that photo taken in Capetown...When built her funnel was smaller..
Years ago I saw a ship in Hamburg which I recognised as a 'Fort' boat.She had a German ensign and her name was AUGUST THYSSEN..
I found she was built as FORT VENANGO..
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Old 14th January 2008, 15:06
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Wikipedia has a time line of Lithgows that may be of interest:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithgows
There is an existing Company claiming the heritage of the original shipbuilder, but I'm not sure how legitimate that assertion might be:
http://www.lithgows.co.uk/
Archives of the Company are held by Glasgow University as listed here:
http://www.archives.gla.ac.uk/collec.../gd/gd320.html
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Old 14th January 2008, 15:45
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Thank you Bruce!
That's perfect!
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Old 18th January 2008, 18:25
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I think you will find that Glasgow University Archives have a lot of documents from Lithgows but if you are looking for ship plans they went to National Maritime Museum.
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Old 22nd January 2008, 13:27
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I think you will find that Glasgow University Archives have a lot of documents from Lithgows but if you are looking for ship plans they went to National Maritime Museum.
Thank you Jim,
do you know if National Maritime Museum gives these plans? How can I obtain them?
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Old 22nd January 2008, 13:34
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Thank you Jim,
do you know if National Maritime Museum gives these plans? How can I obtain them?


Mmmh I've found how to do! Quite expensive, unfortunately!
http://www.nmm.ac.uk/server/show/nav.3237

Other ways?
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Yes NMM is expensive... Other ways ? Depends on what you are seeking.
Are you looking for a specific ship ? In many cases British shipowners would build several ships in one 'class' at various shipyards. If you are after a particular ship, first find out if there were any sisterships and where they were built. If this is the case you might be able to obtain similar ship plans through other museums such as Tyne and Wear or Wirral. You'll still have to pay, but maybe not as much.
I was very fortunate in a couple of instances. Shell built their tankers all over the place depending on the flag and I found that Nederlands Sheepvaart Museum retains a lot of plans from the Dutch shipyards. They were very helpful and provided a couple of sets of plans free.
One definite requirement though is patience. It does take time.
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Old 22nd January 2008, 16:36
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Does the name Ross Belch ring any bells with the Ship Building fraternity??
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Old 22nd January 2008, 17:23
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Does the name Ross Belch ring any bells with the Ship Building fraternity??
do you mean the Managing Director of Scott Lithgow ??
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Old 22nd January 2008, 17:32
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Are you looking for a specific ship ? In many cases British shipowners would build several ships in one 'class' at various shipyards. If you are after a particular ship, first find out if there were any sisterships and where they were built.
All her sisterships were built by Lithgows! The shipowner was the Lyle shipping Co. (Cape York Motorship Co.)...
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Old 24th January 2008, 05:02
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I think you may be stuck with NMM. Lloyds register does provide some very useful 'Infosheets' on sources for research. Namely #1, #9 and #10 but I think that is going to lead you back to NMM.
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Marcus,
Yes, I believe he was. Passed away about 5/6 years ago. Lived in Greenock.
I knew him quite well and found him a thoroughly nice person.

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But what ship are you looking for & what year was it built?
There are a number of alternatives to the NMM as plans sources, but it is very sad that so many plans have fallen into the hands of the NMM. If their aim is to surpress our maritime heritage, they are doing a fine job with their excessive charges!
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Old 24th January 2008, 09:05
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Bill , the name Ross Belch rings distant bells but not sure exactly where .
Was he not , at one time , on the board of directors at Denholm ?.
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'CAPE CLEAR' Lithgows Ltd. 1939-44

Can anyone tell me anything about this ship built by Lithgows Ltd. in 1939 and sunk in collision in 1944?

I understand she was owned by Lyle Shipping about which I can find no information.

Her official number may have been 165968

Any history, photograph, or dimensions for the 'CAPE CLEAR' , or suggestions for further research, will be much appreciated,
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Old 24th January 2008, 09:17
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John,

Ross was indeed on the Board of Denholms and also Jebsens. I think his relationship with Jebsens went back to Ross's relationship with Atle Jebsens father.

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Old 24th January 2008, 15:45
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Ross Belch does not enjoy universal admiration amongst the marine cognoscenti.
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Old 24th January 2008, 20:22
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Tacho,

I have heard that from some quarters and I could detect another side. However, I can only speak how I found him.

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Old 25th January 2008, 14:20
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As Chris Wood wrote, I'm searching infos and photos fo Mv "Cape Clear" built in 1939 by Lithgows and sank in 1944 after a collision with the "Henry Dearborne" near the Gulf of Suez...
Thanks to everybody!
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Old 25th January 2008, 17:52
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You can find details of CAPE CLEAR by looking in
www.miramarshipindex.org.nz

CAPE CLEAR
Built 1939 Lithgows 5,085 gross 447ft 5in long 56ft 2 in wide 24 ft 1in deep.
10.5 knots.

Sunk in collision with HENRY DEARBORN (US) 28 21N 33 11E whilst en-route Basra to Hampton Roads All saved.

Looks like sister ship to CAPE HAWKE (1941 to 1963) Split accommodation.
Find picture of CAPE HAWKE in www.photoship.co.uk

Photographs in HISTORY OF LYLE SHIPPING COMPANY LIMITED

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