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Old 9th December 2012, 21:17
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HMS Hood

I've just watched Ch 4's account of the sinking of the HMS Hood, and I wonder if anyone else was offended by the attempt to 'recover' the ships bell. Surely this is a war grave and any 'official' sanction on removal of any part of the wreck opens the floodgates for any other trophy hunter to plunder any other wartime wrecks designated as 'war graves'. I very strongly feel THERE BUT FOR THE GRACE OF GOD and leave as we would like to be left - in peace!!
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Old 9th December 2012, 21:23
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I certainly agree with you there Rob, leave the bell where it is.
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Old 9th December 2012, 21:33
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yes just watched and agree it should remain as is
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Old 9th December 2012, 21:43
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Old 9th December 2012, 22:12
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I've read the thread you refer to. I have to say I disagree with a lot of the submitters. I believe we have to have a modicum of decorum and know when to leave well alone. The apparent feeling of 'they are dead and won't know' doesn't wash, I'm afraid.
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Old 9th December 2012, 23:06
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not getting involved in it - was just directing you to an existing thread on the subject where there are a number of views - personally I'm pretty neutral on it.
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Old 10th December 2012, 00:26
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I saw the program and it looked to me as if the ROV operator may have deliberately fumbled the bell recovery. Maybe he felt as we do.
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Old 10th December 2012, 01:05
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I was uncomfortable with this programme, I found the whole thing sensationalist with the marine archaeologists intent on declaring their findings as gospel rather than open to analysis and debate.
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Old 10th December 2012, 08:06
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I watched the programme and I don't think they really found anything new, it was a poor presentation. One question, I am sure I read somewhere it was a shell from the Prins Eurgen that caused the explosion on HMS Hood, can anyone throw any light on this.
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Old 10th December 2012, 08:39
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I watched it and was disappointed that there was no real new evidence shown only surmises.

I had read that the Prinz Eugen had hit the Hood behind the funnel which had detonated the UP projectiles (AA rockets) which helped weaken the deck armour for a shell from the Bismark to penetrate to the 4” magazine which then detonated the main 15 “ magazine.

As for the bell, I suppose they felt that they should get it before anyone else dose
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Old 10th December 2012, 09:43
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Watched the Hood Programe did not expect to learn any thing and was not disappointed in my opinion it was a complete waste of time.
They expected us to believe that by the angle of the rudder the Hood
was in the process of turning towards her adversary at full speed to do battle,it beggars belief.
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Old 10th December 2012, 12:04
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hoods bell

i did not see the program, did they manage to recover her Bell. ?
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Old 10th December 2012, 12:05
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I srarted a thread on this very subject several months ago when I first heard they were going to try to recover the bell. I also said I believed it wrong to do so as it is a war grave. I was shot down in flames by lots of members - pleased to see there are indeed some who are of the same opinion as me
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You would think it would be the descendants of the crew members who had the final say on whether the bell of HMS HOOD was recovered, so that it could be placed somewhere for the nations people to visit, and pay their respects.
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Old 10th December 2012, 13:19
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i did not see the program, did they manage to recover her Bell. ?
No they hooked on to the bell and were trying to pull it away from the wreckage something went wrong and it fell deeper into into the wreckage.
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i did not see the program, did they manage to recover her Bell. ?
In answer to your question Store's no they did not although they had permission from the Admiralty to do so, it fell off the lifting claw and deeper into the wreckage surrounding it. Given different equipment it will be recoverable if that is what the future plan is. It was certainly a very smart diving platform.
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Gentlemen, I know i will get grief about this, but if the bell can be recovered (i know that it's a war grave) it should be. Hopefully it will be hung in the National war museum so school children will have something to see and learn about the 1415 sailors that died that day. As for the wreck being plundered, the Hood is in such deep water it takes a major and expensive operation to mount, i think the authorities will be aware of this ?
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Old 11th December 2012, 15:56
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The program was rubbish. Stupid, sensationalist commentary when the only thing I learned was that a load of journalists had a good holiday on a swanky yacht. Hood was sunk by good gunnery/lucky ditto, depends on your point of view and the programmer's lame attempt to blame somebody for it was an insult to the intelligence.
As far as the bell is concerned, leave it there. Having said that I was intrigued to see HMS Wakeful's footplate at Chatham. My father was aboard when she was sunk by E-boats off Dunkirk in 1940. I admit I might have felt different if he hadn't been one of the 30 odd survivors from the 1000 men aboard.
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Old 11th December 2012, 16:06
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You have a point Last Dog however when you consider somebody paid $87Million to posses the "painting" below a few million to go and pinch the bell is just loose change to some.
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You have a point Last Dog however when you consider somebody paid $87Million to posses the "painting" below a few million to go and pinch the bell is just loose change to some.
Clevewyn, If someone wants to pay $87 for a painting, good luck to them, they have more money than sense . The Hoods bell lies at approx 9800 feet which will require a major diving expedition to recover it, and to assemble that kind of crew/divers/rov etc.. tongues will be wagging through out the diving community. Should it be raised ? Yes! Or it will be lost for all time ? Lets have something to remember the sailors that died that day and to show the younger generations the sad lose of life that occured ? Or will the Hood end up like the film U571, which sailors from Hms Bulldog boarded and stole the Enigma machine from the U571 before she sank, only for Hollywood to make it in to a American ship/and crew ???
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Old 19th December 2012, 09:49
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Clevewyn, Apologies for the rant, It wasn't aimed at you.
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Old 19th December 2012, 10:02
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That would be my concern Last Dog (sort of)

The money is out there for somebody who really wanted it wagging tongues or not and the thought of it hanging in someone's private collection for them and a few selected friends to gloat over bothers me.
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Old 19th December 2012, 16:26
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In my belief a war grave is place where men have lost their lives to make our country safe and these should be left alone and not scavenged for trinkets--its like someone grave robbing in your local cemetary- leave the HOODS bell where it is.
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Old 13th January 2013, 13:13
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Having seen the programme, it did show what devastation it took to sink the Hood. As for the bell, I think it should have been recovered as a ship's bell represents the ship. The IWM is the appropriate place. Seeing the bell is a constant reminder for future generations of the sacrifice made by my father's generation. He survived, but I am only here, and we are here to enjoy our freedoms because of their sacrifice.
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Old 13th January 2013, 15:51
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There was no need to raise Hood's bell.

If you wan't to see 2 x 5.5 ins guns from that great ship, see attached.

http://hmshood.com/hoodtoday/ascension.htm
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