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Old 1st April 2008, 22:57
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Hi Mike. Did you only do the one trip. I think I was on the second and third and I don't rememnber your name unfortunately.
Neil Spink was the cadet captain on one trip.
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Old 26th January 2014, 11:35
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G'day all who sailed on the City of Lucknow,

I was aboard for her first trip as a training ship from March to August 1959 and have the complete voyage log, list of officers and apprentices plus an album of B&W photos.

Regards,

Mike Bartlett.
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Hi Mike, Just came across this website and was pleased to see at least one of the 'original' crew is still around! I was also aboard on the first voyage in 1959 and also have many photos (somewhere) of that time. I shared a cabin with Cliff Bunt (from Cornwall?) and used to take many photos and print/enlarge them on board. So many memories!
I know you posted several years ago but hopefully you'll come across this post. In the meantime I'll try to dig out all the photos (in store I think) and post them in due course.

All the best,
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Hello forlorn, one-time Deckies of the City of Lucknow!

I was aboard the ship from 62 through 63 as a Deck Apprentice.

I joined the ship on the bitter cold midwinter (1961-62) pick up in Glasgow. In The same "pick up" Pastyman mentioned in one of his posts, I was one of the "seven new first-timer cadets" he referred to.

I was also pleased and surprised to see myself in the bottom right of the crew picture posted, as well as the pic on the beach in Oz where I'm in the centre, kneeling over who I think was my cabin mate Leslie, who was buried in the sand.

Tony, I'm glad to see a few pics actually were developed! Had a good laugh as you described the conditions under which many a roll of my film had been so poorly developed (ruined) under your well intentioned care... all forgiven.

I joined the Lucknow wearing a highly fashionable, very expensive (no Kit Carson fringes) sued jacket, and the highbrows on board dub me the "Coventry Cowboy," a name I didn't mind at all, taking into account the hundreds of years of seafaring traditions held close to the heart in that ancient walled city.

My best mate aboard at the time was "Pilks" Pilkington (Geoffrey or Jeffrey) from Gravesend, son of a Trinity House Pilot. Many fond memories.... the dance in Mombasa where met a very beautiful gal, but I was not allowed ashore thereafter as I had not sufficiently memorized the visual navigation rules.

Also have fond memories of a "Jhonnie Walker fuelled", drunken climb to the top of the masthead/flagpole outside the government building in Lourenco Marques only to find in my subsequent horror, through blurry morning vision, the sizes and height of that flag pole as we set off to sea again the following day.

Another distinct memory was visiting with Bosun Jim Brightly's, plug-ugly, niece at a school dance in Newark. She was like the Bosun with pimples in a skirt!

Bosun Brightly was always on my case for something but we were thick as thieves, he playing the Fagan to my role as Artful Dodger in the very profitable cigarette cargo re-distribution business.

I was a feisty bow-oar in the Whaler rowing against the Newcastle (Oz) Sea Cadets... and actually did enjoyed rowing.

Have many more fond memories and am grateful for the posts made so far. What an exceptional experience to read through these events so many years later. Hope you are all well and in good health,

My apology to "Pilks" for leaving each other on most unsatisfactory terms all those years ago.

Written this day, the 4th of January 2016, overlooking the Sea of Cortez monitoring the marine traffic and cruise ships of the port of Mazatlan!

Malcolm (Malc) Stephen (Stevens)... 72 years and fully functioning.

Question for the Cornish "Pastyman)... do you know John Carty, of Quay House Mylor... Stayed at their B&B, Great Guy.
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Old 7th January 2016, 21:42
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City of Bedford 1967

Fergus

I think you will find that the Old man on the voyage and when the St Albans got shot up was Allan Hine. The Mate in the St Albans when she was shot up was Mike Fagin. I relieved Mike in the Hull a few years latter and asked him what got him off the St Albans. His answer was ti imitate a machine gun.

Allan Hine died out in the Far East after he got the push.

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Old 7th January 2016, 23:41
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Hi Coventry Cowboy

When you were on the Lucknow were they still making a cine film of the voyages?
Unfortunately, I have no photographic record of my time on board and have tried in vain to find out what happened to that film. Mind you when we were in Auckland harbour waiting for a berth we were red leading over the side one afternoon and had embellished the hull with some choice Anglo Saxon words. It so happened that the old man was returning to the ship by boat with whoever was filming at the time and our 'work' was duly recorded for posterity before we could obliterate it! Didn't go down too well and my punishment was to do more red leading after everyone else had knocked off for the day which meant it was too late to get ashore.
Also 72...thought I was the only one still breathing.
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Hi There Mr Dib

Thanks for you saying Hi.

I never heard of any filming whilst aboard the City of Lucknow, but it certainly would be a "Holy Grail" find if you ever hit pay-dirt in your quest... good luck-now with that.

The previous trip, to my fateful coming aboard was to Cornerbrook in Newfie Land, and prior to that I have no additional knowledge. Being one of the last drafts of "newbies" to the "Lucknow" we were not worthy of deep historic conversation with the general population who, after one or two voyages, were hard-bitten seafarers.

I relish your "red Lead" story as real rebellion... I tried and failed in my "covert" efforts to disturb the proverbial. I had been a bit-of-a-lad (mischief-maker) at school and found life aboard the "Lucknow" a little too proper and dignified. Though fair to say there was enough general cheekiness and good humour to make the whole experience a much treasured memory.

Reflecting on all the deck chipping and inhalation of red lead fumes it is a wonder that my cognitive skills are still so well-honed.

I read somewhere in this thread that some had contention about "Wortly's" decision to turn back towards Blighty for a day or two during the North Atlantic's hurricane "Ella". My two penn'orth is that he saved all our lives when he chanced going beam-on to those massive waves whilst turning in the very eye-of-the-storm.

I was not sick throughout... and whilst fully expecting all our rivets to pop and making a soon visitation with Davy Jones I found it all very thrilling. During the very worst of the hurricane I was at the wheel a huge amount of time and saw all the deck cargo go flying over the side, and the word was that the life-boats were breaking loose of the davits before that gutsy turnaround.

Resting as best I could in my pit, I very distinctly remember the whole of my inner organs and stomach sloshing back and forth inside me as each giant wave tossed us about like a toy in a bathtub... the screw was screeching out of the water much of the time.

The screech of thousands of rivets stressing as the ship topped (straddled) a wave and settled into each next trough was most alarming for most of the time.

Happy New Year 2016, and all the very best to you "dib" and all others.. Malc Stepen (Coventry Cowboy)

Could you all be a little more personal in messaging... I'm sure we wont end up on a "No Fly" list. An Old Farts List maybe.

Hello to Forbes if your out there in the ether. Sunset... got-to-go.
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Old 11th January 2016, 11:45
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Memory can be a funny thing.

Just for the record, Ella existed as a hurricane from 14 - 22 October 1962 and, having started just to the East of Cuba, ran northwards more or less parallel to the East coast of the USA until it dissipated somewhere off the Grand Banks on October 29 (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1962_A...rricane_season). The voyage that we were both on (of which you write) started in Glasgow on 31 October 1962 and arrived in Philadelphia on 11 November.

The course that the 2nd Mate had set out prior to departure was, at our normal service speed of 15.5 knots, to take 7 days Glasgow - Chesapeake Bay but our gallant captain was very concerned about the press reports of a hurricane affecting the USA coast and decided to take a far more southerly course, resulting in an 11-day crossing. As the only R/O on board, I received all the weather reports and sent all the meteorological observation ('OBS') report messages. This meant that the Mates and I had plenty of opportunity to discuss the weather and to express views on the course we were taking. There were no hurricane warnings at any time during the crossing. I can only say that the weather we encountered was in no way unusual for a WNA crossing and far less challenging than most that I had experienced on two previous ships - one of which ran a monthly UK-Caribbean-UK service (returning to the UK along a Great Circle course that roughly followed the track of Ella) through the previous (1961) hurricane season. The 1962 hurricane season was the mildest since records began, whereas the 1961 season had been the worst.

Although we didn't enjoy the best of weather, you wouldn't expect that WNA. We had a day or so of near-continuous gale-force winds with heavy swell but there was nothing out of the ordinary or that would threaten the safety of such a well-founded vessel. 'Rivets screeching' must have been a phenomenon only present in the apprentices accommodation deck, it wasn't evident in any of the places in which I spent my time during the trip, which included the bridge deck, the Captain's deck, the engineers' accommodation and the engine room.

That round-the-world trip was a very interesting experience for various reasons but the first leg was hardly the stuff to excite Hollywood or even SN readers. Must have impressed the girls back home though, the way you tell it, Coventry. Keep that lamp swinging, shipmate.
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Old 11th January 2016, 23:33
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Well, we seem to have touched a nerve there, Coventry (I hesitate to address you as 'Cowboy').

I tend to speak as I find, without being influenced by company position or status. I sailed with the man for some 16 months over an 18-month period, meeting and dealing with him daily. During your 4 months as a first-trip apprentice, one of some 25 apprentices aboard the ship, just how much opportunity did you have to observe the way he did his job or interacted with colleagues and others?

Both before and after the City of Lucknow I sailed with a number of excellent masters and so had plenty against whom to benchmark his performance and character. I stand by my opinions but don't have any objections to you holding, and expressing, different ones.

That is how life works, you know.

However, I do object to bull-sh1tting, which is why I wanted to set the record straight about the trans-Atlantic crossing that we shared.
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"I SAY AS I FIND"... says obnoxious, strung-out String man. What an arrogant know'all... you have alienated all the Ellerman Lines cadets who were very proud to be onboard the City of Lucknow with Captain Wortly and serve under his Blue Ensign flag.

I ask... did you ever take your headphones off? I think they must still be on and your blinders as well... along with your butt-plug. Every cadet onboard the "Lucknow" saw and lived those wicked storm conditions I speak to. You were in your cosy, soundproofed radio room... playing with yourself to pass the interminable boring hours you were subjected to in your dull go-nowhere lowly role (job).

I have lived half my life in western Canada's Alberta province where cowboys are revered, you smart ass. So "cowboy" away all you like, you creep. I and my wife of 50 years winter in our Mexican home, where cowboys are equally held in the highest esteem.

I SAY AS I FIND... put your plaid slippers on and nip down to the newsagents for a breath of fresh air.....you need it to settle your bile.

Got to go... there's more news about our former neighbor "El Chapo", and our eldest son and his wife are presently sailing across the bay in front of our home on their way to Puerto Vallarta. Much more interesting than your nasty, derogatory banter and web-stealing bullying. I promise you there will be more Lucknow cadets that challenge your totally unqualified appraisal of Captain Wortly RNR... are you god, String Man? I SAY AS I FIND.

Newsflash... Stringman grades ships Captains... they are only competent if he SAY'S IT AS HE FINDS they are. Beware Captains. And beware contributing web members... do not say or post anything without String Man Ronnie's pre-approval; this guy is vicious.

I will not reply to Stringer as he enjoys baiting people far too much. He obviously does not have a life... look how clever he is in spelling bull-sh1tting to get his venom past the web guardians.

I will reply to all cadets, as that was my purpose in joining this thread.

Poor old Bowie... he sure entertained us for a good long time.


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hurricane Ella

On behalf of Captain Bernard Theodore RNR I should like to submit the Following.

Ron Stringer has throughout this thread has lampooned and denigrated Captain Wortley, in the form of a vendetta from comments as to his diminutive height to getting lost in a strange city in a hire car etc.

Captain Wortley Commanded "HMS Cape Palliser" and the Royal Navy Corvette "HMS Hadliegh Castle". In 1942 Captain Wortley rescued 15 men from the American merchant ship "William Clark" at the far north coordinate 71 degrees north by 13 degrees west. That rates very high with many. "William Clark" was sunk by U Boat U 354 in what was then U Boat infested war-time waters. Our Captain's just being there for me was a daily act of bravery in ice cold waters as easy pray to German warships.

Hurricane Ella was the strongest hurricane of 1962 with an eye of 100 mile radius at its maximum, and maximum wind speeds of 115 miles per hour.

I was on the bridge and manning the ships wheel for a part of the time we turned around in the relative quiet of the eye of that terrible storm. Although the mountainous waves did not change, out on the wings of the bridge there was not a breath of wind for at least half an hour as the turn-back manoeuver directed by Captain Wortley was executed.

Ron Stringer claims this did not happen, and he makes claim that our sailing times would not put us there at that time.

Stringer claims we sailed from Glasgow but our last port of call in the United Kingdom was Birkenhead.

Whilst in Birkenhead Scouser West (centre, front row of crew photo) took a small party of us cadets into Liverpool to visit the now famous "Cavern Club" where a band known to him called the Beatles was playing... not just me, and I was not very impressed as I never have been a music fan. However I was happy to chase the girls and
bag a snog or two.

The following day "Westie" was very excited saying the "Beatles" had released their first record "Love me Do". That was on the 5th of October 1962.

The following day (6th Oct) Westie went into Liverpool and came back with a copy of that record "Love Love me Do" We sailed from Birkenhead on the following day the 7th October 1962.

After about 7-days we hit the storm and reduced speed very substantially, and after about 3-days of hard going in which the deck cargo was lost we turned around in the eye of hurricane Ella say the 17th -18th day of October.

The highest winds of category 3 Hurricane Ella was on the 19th of October at 115 MPHr... but RON STRINGER denies we were there and classifies the winds as nothing out of the usual in the WNA.

Not only that but he derides and scorns Captain Wortley for turning back for 2 or 3-days to run with the surf pounding behind us, instead of the "lucknow" pummeling itself into the mountainous waves.

Ron Stringer is so rabid in his dislike for Captain Wortley that I know find one of my critical posts of his negative position has been deleted... Mr nobody no doubt.

Some out there were at the "Cavern Club" with Westie and myself and remember dancing to the Beatles "Love me Do" onboard the Lucknow the day before we sailed for the States on the 7th October 1962, going south of Ireland.

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OK Cowboy, they tell me that it is a waste of time to try and reason with a troll but I will give it a go. I apologise to other members who may find this discussion over-lengthy and unenlightening. I promise this will be my last posting on the subject.

I have no knowledge of the man's history or service, as I wrote previously, I prefer to judge people on what I observe. I was not present aboard his ship in 1942 but I was in 1962. I found him to be dismissive of the views and opinions of colleagues but ever-ready to promote his own views and emphasise his own importance.

The earlier anecdote about the car trip in Newcastle, NSW, did not have anything to do with taking a wrong turning (against all the road-signs and warnings from his passengers) but everything to do with his attitude, on being stopped by the police from going the wrong way in a one-way street. No recognition that he had been at fault, or apology for ignoring the signs, instead he tried to browbeat the Aussie cop with his status (not recommended as a way to achieve success) and the importance of his passengers. Even I, a lowly Radio Officer and not considered as a colleague justifying the time of day when aboard ship, suddenly became, "My Communications Officer".

He rarely missed an opportunity to belittle the views of the two junior watch-keeping Mates on the 8 - 12 and the 12 - 4 (even in my presence) on the Bridge and, in the Saloon at mealtimes, no subject one could mention was beyond his superior knowledge. So I didn't like him. That is my opinion. I have no vendetta against him or his memory, I simply described things that I saw which created that opinion. End of topic.

On the subject of the round-the-world voyage I have to differ from your recollections. Your memory appears to be playing you tricks, not uncommon as we get older. I didn't remember anything like the weather that you describe and but rather than trust my increasingly suspect memory, I checked on my records (see below) which are typed from copies of the Lloyd's Voyage Record Cards for the ship and which list the dates of arrival and departure at each port. The photocopies of the cards that I have are handwritten, rather cramped but are beginning to fade badly now and would be difficult to read if posted here, which is why I transcribed them when I got them, some 10 or so years ago. To some entries I added a personal note e.g. the reason for an entry. Should you wish to check the movement information yourself, you can obtain photocopies of the cards from London's Guildhall Museum Library. I have included all the information for the second half of the year 1962, plus the first part of 1963, when the voyage ended and I left the ship. I also have the ship's VR card information covering my time on the vessel in 1961 but that is not relevant here.

You will see that we were in Birkenhead on the dates that you specified but we did not sail from there deep sea, only to the Manchester Ship Canal (where many things may be rough but not the water) and along to Ellesmere Port. From there we sailed to Glasgow and, after completing discharge of the last of the previous voyage's cargo, spent a week or so in Govan dry-dock before loading for the States. My wife came up to Glasgow and stayed with friends over the river in Scotstoun whilst we were in dry-dock.

According to Wiki, Ella was declared a hurricane on October 17, 1962. On October 19 it was upgraded to Category 3 (Category 5 is the highest) and later that day Ella attained its peak intensity of 115 mph. On October 22 it was down-graded to a severe storm as it crossed over Newfoundland, before dissipating on October 23 as it continued to track away to the North-East.

That was over one week before we completed loading in Glasgow on 31 October and over two weeks before the ship, on its planned course to Chesapeake Bay, would have crossed the track followed by Ella. Any suggestion that, after following a circuitous Southern track which added several days to the planned voyage, we battled through the eye of Hurricane Ella is ludicrous. We had some rough weather on the crossing but, both before and since, I have been through worse on a variety of ships. That is my position and you may believe what you will. Having comprehensively expressed your opinion of me and my views I hope you will now be satisfied. I have nothing further to say.

I sailed with a several Masters who displayed (again, in my opinion) excellent leadership skills and were fine rôle models, colleagues and shipmates. This man was not one of them.

Itinerary of City of Lucknow

04-Jul-62 Travelled by train from Manchester to Liverpool and then joined vessel in West Float dock, Birkenhead.
05-Jul-62 Signed on articles as Radio Officer for deep-sea voyage. [Master B.T. Wortley].
07-Jul-62 Sailed from West Float dock, Birkenhead for Lobito, Angola.
12-Jul-62 Arrived Santa Cruz de Teneriffe for bunkers.
12-Jul-62 Sailed from Santa Cruz de Teneriffe for Lobito, Angola.
22-Jul-62 Arrived Lobito to discharge cargo.
23-Jul-62 Sailed from Lobito for Capetown South Africa.
27-Jul-62 Arrived Capetown to discharge cargo.
30-Jul-62 Sailed from Capetown for Port Elizabeth.
31-Jul-62 Arrived Port Elizabeth to discharge cargo.
01-Aug-62 Sailed from Port Elizabeth for East London.
02-Aug-62 Arrived East London to discharge cargo.
03-Aug-62 Sailed from East London for Durban.
04-Aug-62 Arrived Durban to discharge cargo.
11-Aug-62 Sailed from Durban for Lourenco Marques, Mozambique.
13-Aug-62 Arrived Lourenco Marques to discharge cargo.
14-Aug-62 Sailed from Lourenco Marques for Beira.
16-Aug-62 Arrived Beira Roads and anchored to await berth alongside in port.
21-Aug-62 Left anchorage to berth alongside in Beira to complete discharging cargo and commence loading for UK/Continent.
27-Aug-62 Sailed from Beira for Lourenco Marques.
28-Aug-62 Arrived Lourenco Marques to load cargo.
31-Aug-62 Sailed from Lourenco Marques for Durban.
01-Sep-62 Arrived Durban to load cargo.
03-Sep-62 Sailed from Durban for East London.
04-Sep-62 Arrived East London to load cargo.
04-Sep-62 Sailed from East London for Port Elizabeth.
05-Sep-62 Arrived Port Elizabeth to load cargo.
05-Sep-62 Sailed from Port Elizabeth for Capetown.
07-Sep-62 Arrived Capetown to load cargo.
08-Sep-62 Sailed from Capetown for Avonmouth.
25-Sep-62 Arrived Avonmouth to discharge cargo.
26-Sep-62 Signed of articles from deep-sea voyage.
27-Sep-62 Signed on articles as Radio Officer for coastal voyage. [Master R. Frame]
27-Sep-62 Sailed from Avonmouth for Belfast.
28-Sep-62 Arrived Belfast to discharge cargo.
01-Oct-62 Sailed from Belfast for Birkenhead.
02-Oct-62 Arrived Birkenhead to discharge cargo.
12-Oct-62 Sailed from Birkenhead for Ellesmere Port.
12-Oct-62 Arrived Ellesmere Port to discharge cargo.
17-Oct-62 Sailed from Ellesmere Port for Glasgow.
18-Oct-62 Arrived Glasgow to discharge cargo, Enter drydock and commence loading for USA.
28-Oct-62 Signed off articles from coasting voyage.
29-Oct-62 Signed on articles as Radio Officer for deep-sea voyage. [Master B.T. Wortley].
31-Oct-62 Sailed from Glasgow for Philadelphia.
11-Nov-62 Arrived Philadelphia to discharge and load cargo.
13-Nov-62 Sailed from Philadelphia for Newark, NJ.
14-Nov-62 Arrived Newark to complete discharging cargo and load cargo for Australia.
22-Nov-62 Sailed from Newark for Norfolk Va.
23-Nov-62 Arrived Norfolk to load cargo.
25-Nov-62 Sailed from Norfolk for Savanna Ga.
26-Nov-62 Arrived Savannah to load cargo.
26-Nov-62 Sailed from Savannah for Australia via Panama Canal. USA in high state of alert due to Cuban missile crisis and we were subject to daily interdiction by aircraft and navy vessels, both surface and submarines. USA threatened to attack Cuba with nuclear weapons.
02-Dec-62 Arrived Colon.
02-Dec-62 Sailed from Colon to transit Panama Canal.
02-Dec-62 Arrived Cristobal.
02-Dec-62 Sailed from Cristobal for Gladstone, Queensland, Australia.
23-Dec-62 Arrived Gladstone to discharge cargo.
25-Dec-62 Went with other officers and apprentices in ship's lifeboat for a beach picnic on an island off Gladstone harbour.
27-Dec-62 Sailed from Gladstone for Brisbane.
28-Dec-62 Arrived Brisbane to discharge cargo.
29-Dec-62 Sailed from Brisbane for Sydney.
31-Dec-62 Arrived Pyrmont, Sydney to discharge cargo.
04-Jan-63 Sailed from Sydney for Melbourne.
08-Jan-63 Arrived Melbourne to discharge cargo and load for UK/Continent.
11-Jan-63 Sailed from Melbourne for Adelaide.
13-Jan-63 Arrived Adelaide to discharge cargo and load.
16-Jan-63 Sailed from Adelaide for Port Pirie.
17-Jan-63 Arrived Port Pirie to load lead ingots.
22-Jan-63 Sailed from Port Pirie for Newcastle NSW.
25-Jan-63 Arrived Newcastle to load wool and other cargo.
28-Jan-63 Sailed from Newcastle for Sydney.
29-Jan-63 Arrived Sydney to load cargo.
03-Feb-63 Sailed from Sydney for Brisbane.
05-Jan-63 Arrived Brisbane to load cargo.
14-Feb-63 Sailed from Brisbane for UK/Continent via Suez Canal.
05-Mar-63 Arrived Aden for bunkers. Bought a Rolex Oyster GMT Master watch in shop ashore, paying by Midland Bank cheque.
06-Mar-63 Sailed from Aden for Suez.
09-Mar-63 Arrived Suez.
10-Mar-63 Sailed Suez for passage through Suez Canal.
10-Mar-63 Arrived Port Said.
10-Mar-63 Sailed from Port Said for Genoa, Italy.
15-Mar-63 Arrived Genoa to discharge wool and other cargo.
16-Mar-63 Sailed from Genoa for Dunkirk, France.
23-Mar-63 Arrived Dunkirk to discharge cargo.
25-Mar-63 Sailed from Dunkirk for Hull.
26-Mar-63 Arrived Hull to discharge cargo.
27-Mar-63 Signed off articles from deep-sea voyage.
28-Mar-63 Signed on articles for coastal voyage. [Master F.C. O'Neill].
28-Mar-63 Sailed from Hull for Antwerp, Belgium.
28-Mar-63 Arrived Antwerp to discharge cargo.
29-Mar-63 Sailed from Antwerp for Bremen, West Germany.
30-Mar-63 Arrived Bremen to discharge cargo.
02-Apr-63 Sailed from Bremen for Birkenhead.
05-Apr-63 Arrived Birkenhead to discharge cargo.
08-Apr-63 Signed off articles and left vessel to go on leave.
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Hello again Radio Room Ronnie. I am over the moon with joy at reading your recent statements... particularly your quote, "I promise that this will be my last posting on this subject". Well Ronnie brother, I for one, am delighted at your metamorphosis from grub to butterfly. You must have drained all your grudge bile at last.

I am humbled, close to tears, in your expected Wortley rant section of this recently current posting when, with great humility, you style yourself as your quote... "even I, a lowly Radio Officer". Oh, but you are not String Man... you now own and dominate this "Web Thread". This "thread" is all yours now, and you can intimidate and bully all who disagree with you till-the-cows-come-home.

Your un-restrained hatred for Captain Bernard T Wortley, after some 50 years of your last seeing him. is now a pathological condition worthy of a visitation to a shrink... maybe two visits?

You say in this last, unbelievably hurried reply to my last posting, giving Wortley kudos for his wartime service in the North Atlantic...your quote "I prefer to judge people".

What on earth are you doing "Ronnie" wasting time on "judging" people... you are one of the kind of people that others do not want around (I say it as I find, your quote). Try and act the "happy idiot" for a day or two, and give your overtaxed judgemental brain a holiday.

In this recent posting you give all kinds of nursery school observations that smack of babbling... and surprise.....surprise you inform us (you web captives) right in the eye with you deep quote "so I didn't like him". None of us would have ever guessed that Ronnie.

Most people don't like somebody or other... but normal well-adjusted folks put these individuals to the back of their minds and focus on having happy times with old and new friends, and mulling over fond memories. Ronnie my friend, you must be planning to take your irrational rancour and chip-on-the-shoulder grudge over "Wortley" across the bar to the other side.

I first entered this web site, just a few short weeks ago, with great excitement, expecting to web chit-chat with past acquaintances and former long-lost mates from my mostly happy time on the "City of Lucknow".

Then Ronnie the String Man Stringer crawls out from under his rock, smooths down his ruffled scales and attempts to poison me and others against Captain Wortley.

To me, as a young man out of school, Wortley was a quiet dignified prince... he never interfered with us Cadets, and gave his people... instructional and Boson-related, full reign to deal with us on his behalf. I have always greatly admired people who leave me well-enough alone... I do accept direction, and I am happy in most work- related situations, among well-meaning individuals.

Do not worry on my account String Man you are so very easily forgettable.

Regarding the North Atlantic storm of 1962... I don't give a rat's ass about your prognostications, right-or-wrong String Man. As far as I'm concerned it was a cataclysmic meteorological event that put most of the Cadets in their cots with violent seasickness for many days and for a few a full week even. From a 60 foot high bridge above the plimsoll line, I was looking up at the cresting wave tops in the troughs between gigantic waves.

Captain Wortley RNR, a respected veteran North Atlantic skipper, of armed craft as small as a trawler, decided to turn back the "Lucknow". Against the silent wishes of his Radio operator... just for you brother Ronnie.

Thanks for calling me Cowboy Ronnie baby... if I was home in Calgary Alberta I would put on my Stetson, hat polish my crocodile-skin riding boots, and my saucer sized silver belt-buckle. Then drink a few ice-cold beers for getting some respect out of you at last.

Oh before I go... Shipmates...Ronnie says he is going to give you web contributors his apologies for dragging out this banal subject matter. But it seems he is still rabidly intent on getting you "all" to think, like him, that Captain Wortley was a thoroughbred ass hole.

That is his mission in life... mine is dealing with bullies like Stringer the best way I know.

I will pop in to the thread from time to time to see if anyone decent, like Turnbull or West, turns up to brighten the skies over brother Ronnie's thread clouded skies.

Let us see if Ronnie is as good as his promise... to drop this bull-muck... I don't think so folks. For me it's just water over the bridge now.

Get it on shipmates, there's lots of good years yet. Kate just called me... Coronation Street is on in two minutes and Emily Bishop will be leaving the street to visit her nephew Spider, doing Good Works in Peru.

Satellite TV is wonderful with Downton Abbey on Sundays and James Cordon, formerly of the Gavin and Stacey comedy series on each week-night with an American celebrity guest show... he's very good.

We're back, Just popped out for our 5-kilometer evening walk along the seafront promenade (malecon in Spanish)... we trolls have to stay fit and active, we can't stay under the bridge all day long practising our one liner... "I'm a troll fol-de-rol and I'm coming to eat you for dinner." It doesn't scare kids over 3-years any more.

Well, like I say no reminiscing about Mombasa's "Star Bar", wall-climbing in Lobito, buying fascist riding boots in Genoa, the Cuban missile crisis and so... you have ruined all that Ronnie... be proud guy.

I might just re-surface String Man, if you keep defaming poor old long-dead Wortley and ruining the memories of 25 former cadets. I never heard a bad word said ever about Captain Wortley until you slithered onto the scene so unexpectedly with your "I am right dogma'. Losing frequency for now shipmates.

If anybody of goodwill who wishes to contact me away from the bother of Ronnie's hijacked thread my e-mail address is "[email protected]"

Time for wine... goodnight and god bless as my old Manchester ship canal side granny used to say.
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I was on the Ellerman Lines City of Lucknow Cadet Ship in the early 60's - Would like to hear from any other cadets undergoing training at that time. My name is Gareth George.
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Remember me Keith Beverley 2nd Mate. I can remember you! Do you remember the time in the China Sea when we ran through a tide rip and the ship was almost turned us round. I left Ellermans when the Lucknow went and join Mobil Shipping. Spent 33 years there 26 as Master with two spells in the office. Retired then got called back to run an oil terminal in Africa for 3 years. I left when Exxon took over Mobil and went to work for Triton in the same area of Africa as Terminal super for 2 years. I had become a SIRE tanker inspector and went to work for Noble Denton and took over an inspection company they had purchased in Houston Texas. Retired from that in early 2010 and started operating as an independent inspector in the UK until Dec 2015 when I retired. How are you and what are you up to?
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Hi Ron, Keith Beverley, then 2nd Mate of the Lucknow. I have to agree with your quote about the weather I do not remember being in a hurricane or having any deck cargo. Captain Bernard Theodor Wortley, Captain RNR, one of only 10 in the MN, was not the best Master I sailed with but I still respected him and only had a problem with attending Sunday church services. I enjoyed my 3 years in the Lucknow and left Ellermans when they sold her. Join Mobil Shipping and stayed there for 33 years. Then did various marine things and retired in Dec 2015. Hope you are still going strong. Best regards, Keith
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Hi Gareth, Further to my long reply, I am still in touch with Colin Balderson he lives near Grimsby. He is the only one I have had contact with.
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Hi Keith,

Nice to hear from you. I can't remember if you were 2nd Mate or 3rd Mate when I was on the 'Lucknow' but I left in April '66 and, luckily, wasn't around when she was sold off. I had a very happy time aboard her and sailed with some great guys but that RTW trip, with several weeks on the Aussie coast, left me skint. I took some leave and then asked for a tanker, to remove the temptations, earn a little bonus and save some money.

The rest is in my profile (I think). Now some 14 years retired and, having survived bowel and liver cancer (so far), I am enjoying life.

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Hi Ron, You probably got my quick reply I sent a longer one before that which I assume you will eventually get. My younger daughter put me on to this website. I am now a member. I Left in 1963 and joined Mobil oil did 33 years there from 3rd Mate, half a trip, to Master fro 71 to 95. Then various things retired in Dec 2015. You still in the North Country?I am in Dorset. Only other "Lucknowee" I am in touch with is Colin Balderson he is still doing some tanker mooring work I believe.
Glad to hear you are still around. Best wishes Keith.
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Hi Gareth,
John bell here - still alive and kicking! Would be great to catch up with you. For years I was in regular contact with Dennis Dick but he has recently fallen off the radar.That round the world 'cruise' on the 'City of Lucknow" was amazing for a 17 year old. If anyone wants to get in touch my email is [email protected], maybe we can organise some sort of reunion. John
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Hi Keith,

I still tell the story of when we crossed the line and I hid the the radar shack and you had to assure others that I was OK and still on the ship! Also when we built the pool on the starboard foredeck crossing the Pacific. I was climbing the stays and 'bombing' when you suggested I go and play in the big pool! Later you thought me how to fillet a trout - still very grateful. Hope you are well. Would be great to get in touch my email is [email protected]. John Bell
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Hi Ron,
Just saw your posting on our Round-the-World 'cruise on the City of Lucknow is 62/63. What an experience that was for me a aa first rip 17 year old cadet. My email address is [email protected] I live very close to Gatwick and would it would be great to get in touch with any of my old shipmates.
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I joined the City of Lucknow in October '62 and sailed on her until she was sold in late '63, along with about seven other 'first trippers' which included Norrie Leslie, John Bell, John Cole, Denis Dick and others whose names have slipped my mind - must be a senior moment!

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Amazing that you can remember all the names of us newbies - I couldn't but they came back so thanks

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Chris it would be great to see some pictures of us Lucknow 'lads'
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Hi, John,

I recall that you and I were at radar school, Liverpool, together in 1966, together also with my fellow pilot-apprentice Tony Smith. Sadly, Smithy died in 1984 of a lymphomatic cancer. Our lecturer at radar school, Alan Bole, is however still going strong and I'm pleased to be in occasional touch with him.

Thank you for teaching me, all those years ago, the words of The Cowboy Song! Its nonsense and lunacy has cheered me enormously in life's duller moments, over the years!

Best wishes,

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Hi, John,

I recall that you and I were at radar school, Liverpool, together in 1966, together also with my fellow pilot-apprentice Tony Smith. Sadly, Smithy died in 1984 of a lymphomatic cancer. Our lecturer at radar school, Alan Bole, is however still going strong and I'm pleased to be in occasional touch with him.

Thank you for teaching me, all those years ago, the words of The Cowboy Song! Its nonsense and lunacy has cheered me enormously in life's duller moments, over the years!

Best wishes,

Barrie
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You mention Alan Bole. He was a big Yarpie and was at Hull Trinity House Navigation School in 61 when I started. He was a very good swimmer. There was a story that he swam for SA in the 56 Olympics in Melbourne.

One of the subjects he took at HTNS school was physics. One friday he put Archiemedes Principle on the board. Copy it and learn it for next Friday were the words.

Next Friday he stood at the classroom door. Ropes end in hand. One by One we passed him. One word wrong and it was bend over and the ropes end came into use.

About 2000 when at Immingham I was talking to Tony Herbert one of the Humber Pilots [ HPL ]. He was in the class above me at HTNS. Both of us could quote it word perfect after about 40 years.

His party piece at the swimming gala was to enter the Old Boys / Staff race.He would give every one about 1/2 lenght start andstill beat them. Pool was about 25m.


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Dear Alan,

Thank you for this. My wife sings in a local amateur operatic society. Alan Bole and his wife June are regular attenders at their shows, particularly at Christmas-time, when we have often met. In between times, he regularly makes rude remarks about my light verse, most of which appears in SN.

When next I see him I will mention your name and ask him about Melbourne '56. He would have been in Blue Flue at the time (I think) - or certainly had been beforehand. I wonder how he found time for the necessary training? Did athletes train in the 1950s? Or did they simply change their cigarettes from Senior Service to Players' Tipped?
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