FOC "Slave Ships" operating on Australian Coast-Wise Trade - Ships Nostalgia
00:04

Welcome
Welcome!Welcome to Ships Nostalgia, the world's greatest online community for people worldwide with an interest in ships and shipping. Whether you are crew, ex-crew, ship enthusiasts or cruisers, this is the forum for you. And what's more, it's completely FREE.

Click here to go to the forums home page and find out more.
Click here to join.
Log in
User Name Password

FOC "Slave Ships" operating on Australian Coast-Wise Trade

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 26th August 2015, 17:50
Klaatu83 Klaatu83 is offline  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
My location
Posts: 4,117
FOC "Slave Ships" operating on Australian Coast-Wise Trade

The following article appeared in the 8/25/15 issue of the Masters Mates & Pliots' "Wheelhouse Weekly". The Republican Party, led by a Senator named John McCain, is currently attempting to establish a similar policy in the U.S. coast-wise trade as well:


“SLAVE SHIP” HIGHLIGHTS FOLLY OF AUSTRALIAN CONSERVATIVES’ ATTEMPT TO DEEP-SIX CABOTAGE LAWS, ITF SAYS

The International Transport Workers’ Federation (ITF) reports that crewmembers aboard a Korean bulker docked in Mackay, Australia, were literally starving. The ITF says the conditions aboard the flag-of-convenience (FOC) ship are a stark reminder of the risks that mariners can face in the unregulated world of FOC shipping. The Conservative Australian government is seeking to repeal that country’s version of the Jones Act and open the domestic trades fully to FOC vessels.

A spokesperson for the ITF said one crewmember aboard the Korean bulk carrier, the C. SUMMIT, was diagnosed by a doctor as suffering from malnutrition. Four members of the crew fled the ship in Mackay, claiming they feared for their lives. ITF Assistant National Coordinator Matt Purcell said the men, all of whom were from Cambodia or Burma, had been victims of “the worst kind of bullying” he had ever encountered in his work as an inspector.

“The crewmembers claim they have received no wages for several months,” he said. “They have been locked in hatches and have survived on what I can only describe as a starvation diet.” Purcell said two contracts were found by inspectors, one signed by the workers before boarding and the other, “which doesn’t meet even the most basic international standards,” signed shortly after joining the ship.

The C. SUMMIT is owned by South Korea-based Chang Myung Shipping Co. The ITF said its many deficiencies had been repeatedly noted by inspectors in a number of different port state control areas.

ITF President Paddy Crumlin said although the ship was an extreme example, many ships calling at Australian ports have poor records on safety, pollution and crew welfare. “The sea is a largely unregulated environment in which greedy shipowners and operators are allowed to get away with egregious breaches of human rights, and the Australian government is regularly turning a blind eye to the breaches happening in our waters,” Crumlin said. The country’s prime minister, he added, “seems to want these awful breaches to increase by wiping out the Australian merchant navy fleet through complete deregulation.”

The country’s Conservative government is attempting to dismantle the Coastal Trading Act, which stipulates that ships trading between Australian ports must be crewed by Australian workers or else paid comparable wages.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 26th August 2015, 18:51
Samsette's Avatar
Samsette Samsette is offline  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 4,980
This posting deserves to be moved to the Stormy Weather section, where it might arouse more interest and comment, Just a thought.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 26th August 2015, 21:18
trotterdotpom trotterdotpom is offline  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 18,373
Looks like any ship can get a licence to trade on the Australian Coast these days. The LNP (a Conservative coalition) got what they wanted. Unlikely that they have any concern for the plight of foreign seafarers.

John T
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 5th September 2015, 12:51
colmw1 colmw1 is offline  
Member
Organisation: Merchant Navy
Department: Deck
Active: 1969 - Present
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 23
it make me feel sick, why a government would want to destroy a island country and leave it to mercy of the international shipping companies. low standards. no security. no back up to support defence actions.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 5th September 2015, 14:44
Varley's Avatar
Varley Varley is offline   SN Supporter
Senior Member
Organisation: Merchant Navy
Active: 1971 - 2011
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 9,554
There are enough rules to allow PSC to arrest if a cause is found. No need for extra regulations just application of the present ones. With respect to arrears in crew wages they still have first call on an arrested ship as a salable asset.

The only two things that would hurt the reputable owner is if action of his chosen Flag were to lead to sanctions at state level perhaps making another, more expensive Flag less unattractive (perhaps allowing disreputable owners too much rope by being, say, overly kind in selling exemptions) or where PSCs on his 'runs' were using arrests to boost local corrupt pockets.

I can see a role for ITF (and national unions) once the vessel is arrested but PSC should be the driver behind the arrest. Perhaps not before IMO adopted ILO regulations where they had a hand in arrests for crew wages but certainly now (I could see how PSC might 'hear' them on such matters of course).
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 5th September 2015, 15:35
John Rogers's Avatar
John Rogers John Rogers is online now  
Senior Member
Organisation: Merchant Navy
Department: Engineering
Active: 1947 - 1954
 
Join Date: May 2004
My location
Posts: 11,254
More than likely the crews are to scared to speak up in fear of their life and the fate of their families back home. Follow the money and you will find the faults.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 5th September 2015, 15:56
billshaver billshaver is offline  
Member
Organisation: Other Navies
Department: Engineering
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 85
This is a nation along with New Zeland..that in the pacific trade talks was trying & still is attacking Canada in the ag sector..and intimidating them into dumping suply management for dairy, poultry & eggs....I'm not surprised...but shocked at this...
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 5th September 2015, 18:35
Varley's Avatar
Varley Varley is offline   SN Supporter
Senior Member
Organisation: Merchant Navy
Active: 1971 - 2011
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 9,554
Quote:
Originally Posted by John Rogers View Post
More than likely the crews are to scared to speak up in fear of their life and the fate of their families back home. Follow the money and you will find the faults.
Yes, John. But arrested ships do not make any money to follow.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 6th September 2015, 08:43
Keltic Star's Avatar
Keltic Star Keltic Star is offline  
Senior Member
Organisation: Merchant Navy
Department: Deck
Active: 1958 - Present
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
My location
Posts: 3,235
I can't speak for the Australian regulations but the Jones Act in the US and the Coasting Trade Act in Canada prohibits foreign owned and flagged vessels from carrying cargo or passengers between ports in the USA and Canada respectively.

The regulations do not prohibit foreign flagged vessels from carrying import and export cargoes and PSC's, ITF etc. still have a role to play in protecting seamen's wages and welfare on foreign trade visiting ships.

What the two Act's do is to ensure that only nationals of the US and Canada can be employed in their domestic maritime trades creating a protected cabotage environment which I fully support.

We don't need foreigners taking our seamen's jobs. Had Britain done likewise there would only be British seamen working on British Home Trade ships rather than Euros, Balkans, Roma's and other breeds.
__________________
No to Canada-EU Trade Agreement
Look what happened to Britain
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 6th September 2015, 13:55
billshaver billshaver is offline  
Member
Organisation: Other Navies
Department: Engineering
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 85
true the countries in north america,( canada & usa & mexico) have anti caboatage rules that do protect domestic trade for house regestry, goods in & out of the country are open to any flag country registered ship...But things may change as a result of the euro & pacific trade deals. Believe the euro trade deal is going to make ahole in canada's anti cabbotage ruels..sad but true, the current govt( soon to be voted out) signed this deal...along with ag sector components which will not be popular. Milk eggs & poultry, exchange for pork & beef to go to europe...Yeah it ALL sounds strange since the russians pulled their stunt in ukraine & resulting actions by others too place, end result you see farmers across western europe in trouble, low gate prices.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 6th September 2015, 20:54
Keltic Star's Avatar
Keltic Star Keltic Star is offline  
Senior Member
Organisation: Merchant Navy
Department: Deck
Active: 1958 - Present
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
My location
Posts: 3,235
Quote:
Originally Posted by billshaver View Post
true the countries in north america,( canada & usa & mexico) have anti caboatage rules that do protect domestic trade for house regestry, goods in & out of the country are open to any flag country registered ship...But things may change as a result of the euro & pacific trade deals. Believe the euro trade deal is going to make ahole in canada's anti cabbotage ruels..sad but true, the current govt( soon to be voted out) signed this deal...along with ag sector components which will not be popular. Milk eggs & poultry, exchange for pork & beef to go to europe...Yeah it ALL sounds strange since the russians pulled their stunt in ukraine & resulting actions by others too place, end result you see farmers across western europe in trouble, low gate prices.
What the current governmenmt signed with Europe is not going to eliminate the Coasting Trade Act protecting Canadian seamen. However, I fully agree with your other observations.

"Soon to be voted out" - possibly, but either of the two socialist contenders for the job will lay out the welcome mat to Euro's historic plundering habits as have previous Liberal governments. And of course there will be a tide of human flotsam invading our shores.
__________________
No to Canada-EU Trade Agreement
Look what happened to Britain
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 6th September 2015, 21:20
billshaver billshaver is offline  
Member
Organisation: Other Navies
Department: Engineering
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 85
funny i'd heard contary info...but then again what else is new these days...kind of wonder whats to happen after the election...but still optimistic....this refugee crisis...i wonder whats really happening.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 7th September 2015, 05:16
lakercapt lakercapt is offline  
Senior Member
Organisation: Merchant Navy
Department: Deck
Active: 1952 - 1998
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
My location
Posts: 2,677
Harper soon to be voted out.
I certainly hope not as the two other contenders are unknown quantities and I will be most upset if another Liberal government comes into power as we all know what the leaders father did for our country!!!!
Canadian ships for all cargos in Canada as I experienced the flagging out of one and know the results!!!!!
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 7th September 2015, 05:51
billshaver billshaver is offline  
Member
Organisation: Other Navies
Department: Engineering
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 85
not surprised, left out of lakes & coastwise shipping in canada in early 1980's ..that recession....went to usa, as had pasport & Z card..obtained licence and went over to msc( the other one)...military sealift command...soon to retire and have viable pension that wont be pilfered...But Mr Trudeau, no his father did things for all Canadians, not just his friends, & I welcome his son into the position, i think he'll do just fine, in fact better tah the current occupant of 24 sussex drive...Nep was the wisest thing to do...even today....i 'd hoped they'd do somthing about shipbuilding in canda...but nothing really ever came of it, what existed in years befor..wonder why that was never carried on...it was quite an industry, ships for many south american countries built at montreal vickers.....
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 7th September 2015, 07:24
Keltic Star's Avatar
Keltic Star Keltic Star is offline  
Senior Member
Organisation: Merchant Navy
Department: Deck
Active: 1958 - Present
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
My location
Posts: 3,235
Quote:
Originally Posted by billshaver View Post
not surprised, left out of lakes & coastwise shipping in canada in early 1980's ..that recession....went to usa, as had pasport & Z card..obtained licence and went over to msc( the other one)...military sealift command...soon to retire and have viable pension that wont be pilfered...But Mr Trudeau, no his father did things for all Canadians, not just his friends, & I welcome his son into the position, i think he'll do just fine, in fact better tah the current occupant of 24 sussex drive...Nep was the wisest thing to do...even today....i 'd hoped they'd do somthing about shipbuilding in canda...but nothing really ever came of it, what existed in years befor..wonder why that was never carried on...it was quite an industry, ships for many south american countries built at montreal vickers.....
You can't put a boy in charge of a country, particularly one who has never done a real days work in his life.
__________________
No to Canada-EU Trade Agreement
Look what happened to Britain
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 7th September 2015, 08:56
billshaver billshaver is offline  
Member
Organisation: Other Navies
Department: Engineering
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 85
i think hes fit!

i think he'll do a fine job...age notwithstnading..and his father ...he did an exempaliry job...in all ways & means..we prospered & had good govt from 63 onwards till 1983....
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 7th September 2015, 09:02
billshaver billshaver is offline  
Member
Organisation: Other Navies
Department: Engineering
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 85
furthermore mr Trudeau represents same thing as his father, A NEW BREATH OF LIFE INTO A DARK DINGEY ROOM....& you know he will reform that house of sober second thought...enough as its labour day weekend,,, enough of this....
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 7th September 2015, 11:46
trotterdotpom trotterdotpom is offline  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 18,373
Canada is a bit like Australia in that nobody gives a toss about what goes on there. I do seem to recall that Mrs Trudeau was a bit tasty though.

John T
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 7th September 2015, 13:24
billshaver billshaver is offline  
Member
Organisation: Other Navies
Department: Engineering
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 85
HO HUMM... you know mrs Trudeau was mentally illl & in for treatment...not good to make off colour stories of those who are mentally ill..
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 7th September 2015, 16:30
trotterdotpom trotterdotpom is offline  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 18,373
Quote:
Originally Posted by billshaver View Post
HO HUMM... you know mrs Trudeau was mentally illl & in for treatment...not good to make off colour stories of those who are mentally ill..
I wasn't aware of that but who has mentioned her in "off colour stories"?

John T
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 7th September 2015, 16:34
billshaver billshaver is offline  
Member
Organisation: Other Navies
Department: Engineering
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 85
she had problems years ago & sought treatment..it was sucessfull, then the loss of her sun on a glacer in the rockies tragic... about 15 years ogo now i belive..but saw afew who comented as her being TASTY..and another one whose comment was pulled ...its okay.can understand some have no heart... in this day & age...like i said this is over it detracts from the cabotage article...enough for this...
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 7th September 2015, 16:39
billshaver billshaver is offline  
Member
Organisation: Other Navies
Department: Engineering
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 85
sorry spelling off...its her son....
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 7th September 2015, 19:18
Samsette's Avatar
Samsette Samsette is offline  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 4,980
Quote:
Originally Posted by Keltic Star View Post
You can't put a boy in charge of a country, particularly one who has never done a real days work in his life.
No sirree. The Conservative Party fields only those who have done a day's work; dirty work, perhaps, but work. Like this guy;


http://www.610cktb.com/Shows/LFedoru...-in-coffee-cup
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 8th September 2015, 02:55
billshaver billshaver is offline  
Member
Organisation: Other Navies
Department: Engineering
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 85
oh thats ripe....haropcon trickle down economics...never thought i'd see this in the press in canda..but then again....none of the harpocons know what work is, but Mr trudeau...he does....he's no fool...
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 8th September 2015, 03:07
billshaver billshaver is offline  
Member
Organisation: Other Navies
Department: Engineering
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 85
so does anybody think these anti cabotable laws will remain, or will they be bargined away to upsurp those employed in costal & domestic shipping.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Looking for "El Hind" later called "Jal-Azad" then "State of Bombay" DouglasReid Ship Research 7 18th December 2018 20:42
Coast Lines Ltd "SHIPS" Rory Ship Research 106 22nd January 2015 17:26
NZ Trade Union against FOC in the wake of Rena accident [ODIN] SN NewsCaster News and Views from the Shipping World 4 1st June 2012 11:32
Was "slave ship" used to describe a barge/ship being towed? JMB Ship Research 1 30th June 2010 11:57
Board of Trade "Tickets" Burntisland Ship Yard The Engine Room 3 30th May 2010 20:29



Support SN


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.1.0 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.