[hamone]

The attack in the Gulf would never have happened in the days of BPTC by a bunch of crazy ayatollahs.With a crew fully charged up with cheese beanos,Brown Windsor soup and 4Bells rum.,there would have been no contest.

[stevekelly10]

Originally Posted by hamone

The attack in the Gulf would never have happened in the days of BPTC by a bunch of crazy ayatollahs.With a crew fully charged up with cheese beanos,Brown Windsor soup and 4Bells rum.,there would have been no contest.

Not so sure ! The British Renown was attacked by the Iranians during the Iran\Iraq war. Only problem was the Renown was charted by the Iranians and had their Oil onboard !

[Old Janner]

Can anybody supply a breakdown of the ships crew and what nationalities?

[Dickyboy]

If the Iranians said they weren't their boats, our government should have taken them at their word, and sunk them as pirates.
I, like many others no doubt had thought what sitting targets us huge slow moving targets could be while passing through the Quoins.
My most fearful moment while passing through was during a monsoon downpour. Couldn't see the main deck from the bridge wing.
No thoughts of gunboats in those days though, as the Shah still ran the place.

[Winmar]

We should have kept going when we finished with Iraq!

[Engine Serang]

Originally Posted by Old Janner

Can anybody supply a breakdown of the ships crew and what nationalities?

A very pertinent question, Today, what constitutes a British Ship? Admiral Google tells me the British Heritage is registered in the Isle of Man (Crooked Mona) and owned by, wait for it, Hai Kuo Sg 1502 Ltd.
God knows how many of the crew are Britain's Hardy Sons, but my guess is very few.

If shipping companies want the protection of the taxpayers Royal Navy let them Flag-In, less buggering about with FOC's and Tonnage Tax.

[Satanic Mechanic]

Originally Posted by Winmar

We should have kept going when we finished with Iraq!

Erm, I don't think we actually finished in Iraq as such, more sort of ran away

[Old Janner]

Originally Posted by Engine Serang

A very pertinent question, Today, what constitutes a British Ship? Admiral Google tells me the British Heritage is registered in the Isle of Man (Crooked Mona) and owned by, wait for it, Hai Kuo Sg 1502 Ltd.
God knows how many of the crew are Britain's Hardy Sons, but my guess is very few.

If shipping companies want the protection of the taxpayers Royal Navy let them Flag-In, less buggering about with FOC's and Tonnage Tax.

Just see what can be found if you scrape the surface, Flag of convenience! MOD should charge them for Time and bunkers/

[Dickyboy]

Thank heaven for double hulls. Not the reason they were introduced, Thanks Exxon Valdez, but they seem to help damage limitation. The one that was set on fire would have been a lot worse without a double hull methinks.

[Pilot mac]

The UK has a responsibility for defence to the Isle of Man even though it is not strictly part of the UK. The fact that we had a warship there probably saved the day and is commendable. No idea of crew nationalities but British ships have had foreign crews for years so don't see an issue. My only experience of crew nationalities being an issue was when time chartered by NATO where non NATO country crew members had to leave, there was only one affected, The Sparks who was Irish.

regards
Dave

[callpor]

Originally Posted by Dickyboy

Thank heaven for double hulls. Not the reason they were introduced, Thanks Exxon Valdez, but they seem to help damage limitation. The one that was set on fire would have been a lot worse without a double hull methinks.

Best example of this was the Limburg. Explosives penetrated both hulls causing explosion,major fire and pollution but almost certainly the DH saved the vessel.

[gypcoll]

foreign crews got me thinking back to my time early sixties, don't think i ever sailed on a ship that did not have foreign members, Dutch Pole German Maltese etc, in fact i was on a South American ship The St Merriel, where the whole of the deck crew apart from myself and the deck boy were foreign

[lakercapt]

I sailed on a boat registered in the I.O.M. and flew the Red Ensign.
There was not a single crew member who was British.

[Pat Kennedy]

I sailed in a Bluey in 1962 and apart from the bosun I was the only Englishman on deck. The rest were all foreign, ( Gogs, all from Amlwlch)

[mrcruisine]

4 Bells Rum! wonderful stuff, went down to Venezeula about 10 years ago doing a vessel survey and found it in duty free at about $3 a bottle, hard to get but mothers milk

[BillH]

HERITAGE was the second of her type. As with many others of the recent buildings they were transferred to Chinese Financing during construction

ICBC Financial Leasing

Ordered 2012 by BP, but by August 2014 deliveries were being rescheduled.
BM = Breadth Moulded

November 2015

China’s leasing company ICBC Financial Leasing has entered into an USD 869 million agreement with BP Shipping, the shipping arm of the oil major BP, to lease 18 tankers for a period of 10 years.
This is the first business deal between ICBC and BP Shipping, signed during a 2015 visit of Chinese President Xi Jinping to Great Britain.
ICBC Financial Leasing, a subsidiary of the Industrial and Commercial Bank of China Ltd. (ICBC), currently manages a fleet of over 200 vessels within commodity, energy shipping and offshore industry.
The company’s shipping lease assets are valued at around USD 7 billion.



9682978
BRITISH CENTURY (2017 - ) crude oil tanker
O.N. 743977. 85,445g. 52,269n. 159,145d. 274.00 x 49.00 BM x 23.1 (17.8 dt) metres
7-cyl. 2 SCSA (800 x 3720mm) MAN-B&W 7G80ME-C9 type by STX Engine Co. Ltd. 42,352bhp. 14.5 kts
13.12.2015: Keel laid by STX Offshore & Shipbuilding Co., Jinhai Shipyard, Changwon, S. Korea (Yard No. 1631) for BP Shipping Ltd, as operator/manager. Isle of Man flag. 7.3.2016: Launched for Hai Kuo Shipping 1501 Ltd., (BP Shipping Ltd, operating managers). 27.01.2017: Delivered 2.2018: Still on Sea web – in Commission

9682980
BRITISH HERITAGE (2017 - ) crude oil tanker
O.N. 743978. 85,445g. 52,269n. 159,145d. 274.00 x 49.00 BM x 23.1 (17.8 dt) metres
7-cyl. 2 SCSA (800 x 3720mm) MAN-B&W 7G80ME-C9 type by STX Engine Co. Ltd. 42,352bhp. 14.5 kts
7.12.2015: Keel laid by STX Offshore & Shipbuilding Co., Jinhai Shipyard, Changwon, S. Korea (Yard No. 1632) for BP Shipping Ltd, as operator/manager. Isle of Man flag. 27.5.2016: Launched for Hai Kuo Shipping 1502 Ltd., (BP Shipping Ltd, operating managers). 22.4.2017: Delivered 2.2018: Still on Sea web – in Commission

9682992
BRITISH TRADITION (2) (2017 - ) crude oil tanker
O.N. 743979. 85,445g. 52,269n. 159,468d. 274.00 x 49.00 BM x 23.1 (17.8 dt) metres
7-cyl. 2 SCSA (800 x 3720mm) MAN-B&W 7G80ME-C9 type by STX Engine Co. Ltd. 42,352bhp. 14.5 kts
10.12.2015: Keel laid by STX Offshore & Shipbuilding Co., Jinhai Shipyard, Changwon, S. Korea (Yard No. 1633) for BP Shipping Ltd, as operator/manager. Isle of Man flag. 30.9.2016: Launched for Hai Kuo Shipping 1503 Ltd., (BP Shipping Ltd, operating managers). 21.6.2017: Delivered 2.2018: Still on Sea web – in Commission

9734288
BRITISH LEGACY (proposed / cancelled)
85,445g. 52,269n. 159,468d. 274.00 x 49.00 BM x 23.1 (17.8 dt) metres
7-cyl. 2 SCSA (800 x 3720mm) MAN-B&W 7G80ME-C9 type by STX Engine Co. Ltd. 42,352bhp. 14.5 kts
21.12.2015: Keel laid by STX Offshore & Shipbuilding Co., Jinhai Shipyard, Changwon, S. Korea (Yard No. 1635) for BP Shipping Ltd, as operator/manager. Isle of Man flag. 2014: Contract ownership transferred to Hai Kuo Shipping 1505 Ltd., (BP Shipping Ltd, operating managers). 31.10.2016: Contract cancelled.

NINE OPTIONS - type unspecified
STX Offshore & Shipbuilding Co., Changwon, S. Korea (cancelled following STX financial problems)

[Kumzar]

[QUOTE=Engine Serang;2991403]A very pertinent question, Today, what constitutes a British Ship? Admiral Google tells me the British Heritage is registered in the Isle of Man (Crooked Mona) and owned by, wait for it, Hai Kuo Sg 1502 Ltd.
God knows how many of the crew are Britain's Hardy Sons, but my guess is very few.

Would you please explain what is meant by "Crooked Mona"?

[Engine Serang]

[quote=Kumzar;2992705]

Originally Posted by Engine Serang

A very pertinent question, Today, what constitutes a British Ship? Admiral Google tells me the British Heritage is registered in the Isle of Man (Crooked Mona) and owned by, wait for it, Hai Kuo Sg 1502 Ltd.
God knows how many of the crew are Britain's Hardy Sons, but my guess is very few.

Would you please explain what is meant by "Crooked Mona"?

I'm not sure exactly what it means, it was just a nice little phrase I picked up from that nice Mr Varley.

[Kumzar]

[quote=Engine Serang;2992709]

Originally Posted by Kumzar

I'm not sure exactly what it means, it was just a nice little phrase I picked up from that nice Mr Varley.

Thanks Serang, I see that Varley lives in IoM so I hope that he is doesn't really think that Mona is crooked. It is squeaky clean that we are, according to international financial vetting.

[Steve Hodges]

Originally Posted by BillH

HERITAGE was the second of her type. As with many others of the recent buildings they were transferred to Chinese Financing during construction

ICBC Financial Leasing

Ordered 2012 by BP, but by August 2014 deliveries were being rescheduled.
BM = Breadth Moulded

November 2015

China’s leasing company ICBC Financial Leasing has entered into an USD 869 million agreement with BP Shipping, the shipping arm of the oil major BP, to lease 18 tankers for a period of 10 years.
This is the first business deal between ICBC and BP Shipping, signed during a 2015 visit of Chinese President Xi Jinping to Great Britain.
ICBC Financial Leasing, a subsidiary of the Industrial and Commercial Bank of China Ltd. (ICBC), currently manages a fleet of over 200 vessels within commodity, energy shipping and offshore industry.
The company’s shipping lease assets are valued at around USD 7 billion.



9682978
BRITISH CENTURY (2017 - ) crude oil tanker
O.N. 743977. 85,445g. 52,269n. 159,145d. 274.00 x 49.00 BM x 23.1 (17.8 dt) metres
7-cyl. 2 SCSA (800 x 3720mm) MAN-B&W 7G80ME-C9 type by STX Engine Co. Ltd. 42,352bhp. 14.5 kts
13.12.2015: Keel laid by STX Offshore & Shipbuilding Co., Jinhai Shipyard, Changwon, S. Korea (Yard No. 1631) for BP Shipping Ltd, as operator/manager. Isle of Man flag. 7.3.2016: Launched for Hai Kuo Shipping 1501 Ltd., (BP Shipping Ltd, operating managers). 27.01.2017: Delivered 2.2018: Still on Sea web – in Commission

9682980
BRITISH HERITAGE (2017 - ) crude oil tanker
O.N. 743978. 85,445g. 52,269n. 159,145d. 274.00 x 49.00 BM x 23.1 (17.8 dt) metres
7-cyl. 2 SCSA (800 x 3720mm) MAN-B&W 7G80ME-C9 type by STX Engine Co. Ltd. 42,352bhp. 14.5 kts
7.12.2015: Keel laid by STX Offshore & Shipbuilding Co., Jinhai Shipyard, Changwon, S. Korea (Yard No. 1632) for BP Shipping Ltd, as operator/manager. Isle of Man flag. 27.5.2016: Launched for Hai Kuo Shipping 1502 Ltd., (BP Shipping Ltd, operating managers). 22.4.2017: Delivered 2.2018: Still on Sea web – in Commission

9682992
BRITISH TRADITION (2) (2017 - ) crude oil tanker
O.N. 743979. 85,445g. 52,269n. 159,468d. 274.00 x 49.00 BM x 23.1 (17.8 dt) metres
7-cyl. 2 SCSA (800 x 3720mm) MAN-B&W 7G80ME-C9 type by STX Engine Co. Ltd. 42,352bhp. 14.5 kts
10.12.2015: Keel laid by STX Offshore & Shipbuilding Co., Jinhai Shipyard, Changwon, S. Korea (Yard No. 1633) for BP Shipping Ltd, as operator/manager. Isle of Man flag. 30.9.2016: Launched for Hai Kuo Shipping 1503 Ltd., (BP Shipping Ltd, operating managers). 21.6.2017: Delivered 2.2018: Still on Sea web – in Commission

9734288
BRITISH LEGACY (proposed / cancelled)
85,445g. 52,269n. 159,468d. 274.00 x 49.00 BM x 23.1 (17.8 dt) metres
7-cyl. 2 SCSA (800 x 3720mm) MAN-B&W 7G80ME-C9 type by STX Engine Co. Ltd. 42,352bhp. 14.5 kts
21.12.2015: Keel laid by STX Offshore & Shipbuilding Co., Jinhai Shipyard, Changwon, S. Korea (Yard No. 1635) for BP Shipping Ltd, as operator/manager. Isle of Man flag. 2014: Contract ownership transferred to Hai Kuo Shipping 1505 Ltd., (BP Shipping Ltd, operating managers). 31.10.2016: Contract cancelled.

NINE OPTIONS - type unspecified
STX Offshore & Shipbuilding Co., Changwon, S. Korea (cancelled following STX financial problems)

So, British Heritage, Tradition and Legacy are now actually owned by the Chinese. I wish it was just the ships..........