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Old 30th September 2014, 18:51
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Message in a bottle

Hello sailors!

Im a fisherman from southern Norway (Mandal)
I fonund a old bottle with a short letter

W.D Mavler (edh)


M/V chelwood
France fenwick co ltd
23 rood lane
Fenchurch st
London ec3




I dont get any contact, is this ship still going?
I want to find this mr Mavler.
Pleace help me
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Old 30th September 2014, 19:12
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France Fenwick had two ships named "Chelwood", the first built 1928 and sold on in 1957, the second built 1964 and transferred to Houlder Brothers in 1974 on the sale of the line. Don't know where the records would be - one of the site members has some expertise in tracing seafarers.
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Old 30th September 2014, 19:41
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Thank you for answering.
I just wait and see.

The name can be wrong written by me, its not easy to se all the writing.
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Old 30th September 2014, 20:35
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On behalf of the 'SN Moderating Team', welcome aboard Norway.

Hopefully, someone will be able to help you. Good luck
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Old 30th September 2014, 22:15
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tHAKS DAVID.
I GUESS IT WILL BE HARD TO FIND THE MAN WHO CREATE THE POST.
IT IS OVER 40 YEARS SINCE m/V CHELWOOD SAILED , AS CHELWOOD.

wHAT ABOUT FRANCE FENWICK CO LTD, IS IT STILL EXISTING?
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Old 30th September 2014, 22:40
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Bottle Message - Norwegian Fisherman

Almost certainly the 1964 vessel - was there any indication when the message was launched in the bottle?

The second CHELWOOD, a motorship, was launched on 10th of June 1964 as the Builder's (Bartram & Sons, South Dock, Sunderland) Yard Number 399, for William France, Fenwick & Company Limited.

She was a Bulker, completed in October 1964, and had a service speed of 14 knots

1974 : Sold to Houlder Brothers & Company of London and renamed OSWESTRY GRANGE

1983 : Ownership transferred to Stevinson Hardy (Tankers) Ltd. of London but name unchanged

1985 : Converted to a Barge, but her engine was not removed for this purpose

1985 : STENJOHAN for Oxelosunds Hamn A/B of Sweden

1989 : STENJOHAN for Lucky Marine Enterprises SA of Kingstown

1995 : GINA T. for Tarbin Maritime Limited of Syria

2000 : SANA for Mohammad Ibrahim Sahaar of Syria

2001 : NADI for Gold Coast Shipping Company of Tonga

2002 : NADI for Millenium Ship Trading LLC of Comoros

The vessel was wrecked on 15th October 2002 and left stranded where she lay at Lughaye (Somalia)
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Old 30th September 2014, 22:47
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tHAKS DAVID.
I GUESS IT WILL BE HARD TO FIND THE MAN WHO CREATE THE POST.
IT IS OVER 40 YEARS SINCE m/V CHELWOOD SAILED , AS CHELWOOD.

wHAT ABOUT FRANCE FENWICK CO LTD, IS IT STILL EXISTING?

No - like so many other British Shipowners around that time it ceased to exist in the 70s (I think 1974)
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A warm welcome aboard from the Philippines. Please enjoy all all this great site has to offer
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THERE IS NO DATE ON THE LETTER.
THE BOTTLE HAS ALOT OF MARKS AFTER MANY YEARS AT SEA.(40-50 YEARS)
ITS A CLEAR BOTTLE. NEWCASTLE td JOHNMACKAY & Co

I GUESS YOU KNOW WHAT TYPE OF BOTTLE THAT IS.
w
WELL, IF THE COMPANI DONT EXIST ANYMORE, I PROBABLY HAVE TO RESIGN.

ANYWAY , YOU GOT A NICE PLACE HERE TO TALK WITH COLEEGS.
WE HAVE ALOT OF OLD SAILERS I NORWAY, MAY THIS SITE COULD BE INTERESTING FOR MORE PEOPLE...

THANKS FOR ALL HELP!

NORWAY.
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Old 1st October 2014, 19:42
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Hello, Norway. I Googled John Mackay & Co - it seems they were soft drink manufacturers in Newcastle and Edinburgh. One site had for sale an old stoneware ginger beer bottle from the company. The company looks to have operated from 1950 to 1985.

I "posted" a lot of messages in bottles and had several replies, so I am quite interested in your bottle. It certainly had a long run of at least 40 years.

What a pity that there was no position mentioned on the letter. France Fenwick were big in the east coast UK coal trade, so maybe the bottle was floating back and forth between UK and Norway. She may have also been engaged in the iron ore trade (I'm fairly sure that"Oswestry Grange" was) so she could have been sailing to Narvik or Kirkenes when the bottle was thrown overboard.

Nobody has mentioned it and you may not know that "EDH" is an abbreviation for "Efficient Deck Hand", so your Mr Mavler must have been a seaman on board the ship. "Mavler" is a bit unusual for and English name - could it be "Marler" or "Mawler"?

There are several photos of Oswestry Grange in the Ships Nostalgia gallery.

I see that you are a fisherman. Did you find the bottle at sea or on the shore somewhere? How was it sealed? Any chance of a photo?

Good luck with your search.

John T

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WOW! IMPRESSED, YOU DID YOUR HOMEWORK!
wHERY INTERRESTING TO READ YOUR FACTS.
I DID NOT KNOW WHAT EDH MENT, THOUGHT IT WAS HIS HOME TOWN MAY BE. EDINBURGH? BUT THIS GIVE SENCE.
(SORRY FOR MY BAD ENGLISH, THIS FISHERMAN DIDNT LIKE THE ENGLISH LESSONS)
THE NAME CAN PERFECTLY BE "MARLER" AND "MAWLER" I THINK HE WAS WRITING IN HEAVY SEA!
I FOUND THE BOTTLE ON THE SHORE, BUT THE POST HAD JUST ARRIVED.ITS APLACE ON MY ISLAND VERE I OFTEN SEE.

IT WAS SEALED WITH A WHITE (ALUMINIUM) KORK? THAT YOU TURN ON/OFF.
FOTO, EXACTLY! IM NOT SO INTO THESE TECNICALS THING,YET. I WILL GET MY WIFE TO HELP ME.

ENDRE.
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Old 1st October 2014, 20:55
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Bye The Way John T .have You Sailed The Coast Of Norway- You Write About Narvik And Kirkenes? When?
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Old 1st October 2014, 21:19
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Thanks Endre. Glad it was of interest.

It is amazing that the aluminium bottle top didn't corrode away in all that time.

Yes, I spent some time on the Norwegian coast but a long time ago - on cargo ships and trawlers. Hoping to do the Hurtigruten trip in a year or so.

Best wishes, John T
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Old 1st October 2014, 21:54
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Recomand Hurtigruta. You Need To Visit Lofoten, Værøy, Røst!
Fantastic Natur! Spend 3 Seasons With Cod Fishing, On A Netboat.
Unbeliveble Quantity Of Cod , In Feb, Mar.
Its Very Expensive Dow....
Long Trip From Australia.
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Old 2nd October 2014, 10:43
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From experience as a youngster, message bottles thrown in off the NE Coast of England tended to end up in the Borkum area after around 4 years at sea. John may well be right and it was thrown from a ship on the way up to Narvik a place I use to enjoy visiting during my time at sea with the superb War Museum in aid of the Norwegian Red Cross. 1968/69 and then 1980. Along with an RN Liason Trip on a long liner called the 'Loch Kildonan' fishing for Cod up the North Cape. Never again, not on a Trawler anyway.
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Old 4th October 2014, 07:50
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Recomand Hurtigruta. You Need To Visit Lofoten, Værøy, Røst!
Fantastic Natur! Spend 3 Seasons With Cod Fishing, On A Netboat.
Unbeliveble Quantity Of Cod , In Feb, Mar.
Its Very Expensive Dow....
Long Trip From Australia.
Yes, I'm looking forward to it - can't decide whether to go for the Midnight Sun or the Northern Lights. Maybe I should do both!

There is a place in Lofoten (could be Værøy) where tourists can go out and catch a big cod - I'd like to do it but it costs a lot of money to break your journey on the ship.

Maybe I should ask Aquavit Linie to subsidise me if I bring a case of their booze back to Australia for them.

Best wishes.

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There was a time when I launched Dutch beer bottles sealed with tapered corks. Most of them went in near the Noord Hinder. I had several replies from points Eastwards along the Dutch coast. One came from Borkum and the farthest from Hvide Sand in Denmark. All were within a year of launching. Longer term replies will have arrived after my address changed.
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Old 4th October 2014, 12:57
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That could be described as a short term experiment or hedging your bets, Robert. How do you know the lads on the Noord Hinder Lightship weren't fishing the bottles out of the water and replying from home?

No doubt you experienced the "Oranje" at night and "Boom" in the morning effect. All in the interests of scientific research, of course. Well done.

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That could be described as a short term experiment or hedging your bets, Robert. How do you know the lads on the Noord Hinder Lightship weren't fishing the bottles out of the water and replying from home?

No doubt you experienced the "Oranje" at night and "Boom" in the morning effect. All in the interests of scientific research, of course. Well done.

John T
OK in theory, but I think the Noord Hinder was already automated. Also most of the replies were from females. The bottles used were Heineken or Grolsch. There wasn't enough room on that vessel to stow sufficient lavatory rolls for Oranjeboom.
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Unmanned lightships! What next? I bet those ladies wouldn't have replied if they'd known what an unromantic place the North Sea had become.

Did you get a better success rate with the Grolsch bottles? Those "swing tops" might have made a tighter seal.

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Unmanned lightships! What next? I bet those ladies wouldn't have replied if they'd known what an unromantic place the North Sea had become.

Did you get a better success rate with the Grolsch bottles? Those "swing tops" might have made a tighter seal.

John T
The Grolsch we got came in the same bottles as Heineken and once the contents were gone the bottles seemed to lose their identity. I think coming from an unromantic environment can make a man romantic to some girls, or "row-blanket" as we used to put it.
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Yes, Robert, some of them like a bit of rough. Did you ever get a reply from the Boro via the Dogger Bank?

Pity you didn't get to try out the swing top bottles of Grolsch - I loved those bottles even though the pils tasted like soap. It seemed like a sin to chuck such a piece of technology away. I bet they would float back and forth for yonks. Just curious, what did you seal the bottles with - i used to clag mine up with silastic.

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PS Apropos the milkman thread .... I too delivered milk as a kid and even in those unhypochondriac days we flogged Sterilised milk, known as "sterry", which I'm sure had a top like the Grolsch swing top.

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I used Lowcocks lemonade bottles which were so heavily built they could withstand a collision with an Icebreaker never mind the standard Hull of the normal vessel plying the North Sea.
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Good choice, Chadburn. Anyone in Middlesbrough who didn't sleep with a bottle of Lowcocks Lemonade under the bed was either a tee totaller or gay. It's up there with Newboulds pork pies and Brian Clough in the Boro icon stakes.

Trouble is, those industrial strength glass bottles would have sank to the bottom and will only be discovered when Global Warming dries out the North Sea in a couple of years time.

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[QUOTE=trotterdotpom;1085193]Yes, Robert, some of them like a bit of rough. Did you ever get a reply from the Boro via the Dogger Bank?

No, but I corresponded for some time with a rather naive Dutch girl from Limburg until she married a German soldier.

Just curious, what did you seal the bottles with - i used to clag mine up with silastic?

I bought some tapered medicine bottle corks from a chemist. They fitted quite snugly into the beer bottles.
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