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Old 6th February 2012, 03:49
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This morning, being Sunday we made our usual trip to church.
The sermon was not memorable, except for the minister's use of the Captain of the Cocordia as an example of a vain and cowardly man.
After the service I asked him in private how deeply he had researched his comments and from his reply, I rather feel he was quoting the gutter press to the exclusion of any possibility of an alternative point of view.
It seems that, even in ecclisiastical cirlcles the press is accepted as judge, jury and excecutioner.
Perhaps I should have suggested he confine his nautical knowledge to fishing boats on the Sea of Galilee and leave the interpretation of a complex marine incident to those better qualified.
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It was suggested there was a fire aboard in the garage and that so much water was put on the fire by the crew so that the (undamaged) vessel capsized, floated upside down ... and sank. Like M/S Estonia.
But on the VDR you can hear explosions going off, etc, etc - it sounded like sabotage - but ... it didn't fit the fairy tale by the incident investigation (assisted by IMO experts!).

would'nt one expect explosions with fire in a garage
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Pls start a new thread somewhere else and discuss this with my wife, thanks.
This is the ships nostalgia forum.
Which has dozens of other topics to which you have not contributed a single post - somewhat surprising from one so qualified. Not that you have to, of course. Still, last month's capsize is hardly nostalgic, is it?
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You can't be serious, Anders!

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off thread i know but they should up his medication
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Nothing more to see here, folks... move along.... nothing more to see here..............
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We'll just have to wait and see. Or as in a story in a book I read as a kid, it might be Weight and Sea!
To explain, the story was about a yacht sunk by a hole drilled below waterline, plugged with a cork, connected by a line to a weight on the seafloor. Up comes the tide, out goes the cork, in flows the sea, down goes the yacht, along with the owner!
In this case the ship, the CC might slide into deeper water, aided by it's weight, and the action of the sea.
Way off topic, but this thread could do with a bit of lightening.
Too many have forgotten that most posts are, and remain, speculation until some scientific facts emerge, as opposed to the speculations of the press, not to mention those of some others.
Back under my rock I go!
Cheers to all, and please don't take any of this post seriously!

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Cruise ship "Costa Concordia" aground

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You can't be serious, Anders!

http://heiwaco.tripod.com/bomb.htm
Problem is - he is!
Probably also subscribes to the notion that the Holocaust never happened.
I'm moving on. Had enough of his nonsense
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Old 6th February 2012, 09:03
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Has any evidence emerged about potential damage to the hidden underwater side of the hull yet? Perhaps the gaping hole and boulder on the starboard side has distracted attention, but size isn't everything!
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It is very easy to blame the Master of CC and close the case. In the Al Salam Boccaccio case 2006 it was not so simple as the Master captain Osman and complete crew drowned. What had happened between Douba and Safaga in the middle of the night? Fire in the garage! Yes! But according VDR it was extinguished. Suddenly BANG, BANG, ship heeled on side … and sank. Was the ship seaworthy? Yes, classed by RINA since 30 years, company ISM in force since 25 September 1997 thanks to Allah and, i.a. me, and also approved by RINA and audited by ship owner and DNV at regular intervals.
Ship owner El Salam was the best shipping company in the Middle East with 4000 employées! Underwriters and P&I paid all claims. An investigation commission concluded that ship’s crew had capsized the ship by putting too much water in the garage (high above WL) when extinguishing the fire in the garage. Very strange, because the system was a manual sprinkler system and the water drained out through scuppers. The commission concluded the scuppers were blocked! But then the water would just flow down to watertight compartments below the garage via the fire doors! No, said the commission. Stability calculations showed that ship could not capsize unless you put 1500 tons of water on the car deck … and that would take 24 hrs with existing fire pumps! No, no. The calculations were wrong!
Anyway, the dead Master was found guilty. Case closed?
No, no! A second commission found the Egyptian ship owner of El Salam, his son + a number of people ashore guilty of criminal negligence and we were each sentenced to 7 years in prison! You see – the ship owner ashore can be held responsible! We appealed of course and all got free except the ship owner! His sentence was confirmed. 7 years in prison because the ship had sunk (for some ?? reasons). It was thus time to close the shop after 30 years of very successful ferry shipping in Red Sea and Med and retire. The ship owner managed to settle in London. The ship owner’s son visited me and got arrested at the airport! He was on the Interpol list of criminals to be extradited to Egypt and serve 7 years in prison there. The list had not been up-dated. And the ship owner lives quietly in London in spite of being on the Interpol list! As long as he doesn’t say that his ship was sabotaged by evil people protected by a stupid incident commission.
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It is very easy to blame the Master of CC and close the case. In the Al Salam Boccaccio case 2006 it was not so simple as the Master captain Osman and complete crew drowned. What had happened between Douba and Safaga in the middle of the night? Fire in the garage! Yes! But according VDR it was extinguished. Suddenly BANG, BANG, ship heeled on side … and sank. Was the ship seaworthy? Yes, classed by RINA since 30 years, company ISM in force since 25 September 1997 thanks to Allah and, i.a. me, and also approved by RINA and audited by ship owner and DNV at regular intervals.
Ship owner El Salam was the best shipping company in the Middle East with 4000 employées! Underwriters and P&I paid all claims. An investigation commission concluded that ship’s crew had capsized the ship by putting too much water in the garage (high above WL) when extinguishing the fire in the garage. Very strange, because the system was a manual sprinkler system and the water drained out through scuppers. The commission concluded the scuppers were blocked! But then the water would just flow down to watertight compartments below the garage via the fire doors! No, said the commission. Stability calculations showed that ship could not capsize unless you put 1500 tons of water on the car deck … and that would take 24 hrs with existing fire pumps! No, no. The calculations were wrong!
Anyway, the dead Master was found guilty. Case closed?
No, no! A second commission found the Egyptian ship owner of El Salam, his son + a number of people ashore guilty of criminal negligence and we were each sentenced to 7 years in prison! You see – the ship owner ashore can be held responsible! We appealed of course and all got free except the ship owner! His sentence was confirmed. 7 years in prison because the ship had sunk (for some ?? reasons). It was thus time to close the shop after 30 years of very successful ferry shipping in Red Sea and Med and retire. The ship owner managed to settle in London. The ship owner’s son visited me and got arrested at the airport! He was on the Interpol list of criminals to be extradited to Egypt and serve 7 years in prison there. The list had not been up-dated. And the ship owner lives quietly in London in spite of being on the Interpol list! As long as he doesn’t say that his ship was sabotaged by evil people protected by a stupid incident commission.
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It is very easy to blame the Master of CC and close the case. In the Al Salam Boccaccio case 2006 it was not so simple as the Master captain Osman and complete crew drowned. What had happened between Douba and Safaga in the middle of the night? Fire in the garage! Yes! But according VDR it was extinguished. Suddenly BANG, BANG, ship heeled on side … and sank. Was the ship seaworthy? Yes, classed by RINA since 30 years, company ISM in force since 25 September 1997 thanks to Allah and, i.a. me, and also approved by RINA and audited by ship owner and DNV at regular intervals.
Ship owner El Salam was the best shipping company in the Middle East with 4000 employées! Underwriters and P&I paid all claims. An investigation commission concluded that ship’s crew had capsized the ship by putting too much water in the garage (high above WL) when extinguishing the fire in the garage. Very strange, because the system was a manual sprinkler system and the water drained out through scuppers. The commission concluded the scuppers were blocked! But then the water would just flow down to watertight compartments below the garage via the fire doors! No, said the commission. Stability calculations showed that ship could not capsize unless you put 1500 tons of water on the car deck … and that would take 24 hrs with existing fire pumps! No, no. The calculations were wrong!
Anyway, the dead Master was found guilty. Case closed?
No, no! A second commission found the Egyptian ship owner of El Salam, his son + a number of people ashore guilty of criminal negligence and we were each sentenced to 7 years in prison! You see – the ship owner ashore can be held responsible! We appealed of course and all got free except the ship owner! His sentence was confirmed. 7 years in prison because the ship had sunk (for some ?? reasons). It was thus time to close the shop after 30 years of very successful ferry shipping in Red Sea and Med and retire. The ship owner managed to settle in London. The ship owner’s son visited me and got arrested at the airport! He was on the Interpol list of criminals to be extradited to Egypt and serve 7 years in prison there. The list had not been up-dated. And the ship owner lives quietly in London in spite of being on the Interpol list! As long as he doesn’t say that his ship was sabotaged by evil people protected by a stupid incident commission.
Ah, I am beginning to see where the axe is being ground, Bitter and Twisted is the usual explanation.
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I see that this is turning into a new "gollywobbler". What hapened to the oft stated..."....don't post unless you have something useful to say", usually posted by ....... well, you make your own minds up. It's only been a week or so since the moderators gave clear guidance.
Heiwa has only posted on this thread, presumably because it falls into his area of expertese.

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[QUOTE=Oceanspan;573316]No, CCTV is not a requirement for the VDR and continuous footage from a very large system such as on a cruise ship would be impossibly memory intensive.




Thank you for answering my question Oceanspan,and your explaination of the VDR. Maybe it will be something for the future to be a part of the VDR. Would be very helpfull and I guess and not impossible.
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You can't be serious, Anders!

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Oh yes! Heiwa is always serious! 1972-77 I lived in Japan and parts of Nakaku Yokohama looked as if they had been napalm bombed yesterday then 1972 ... and not 1945. Similar at Nagoya, Osaka, Tokyo, everywhere. Same at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I remind you that Japan was occupied by USA until 1953 and media was controlled, etc. Easy to invent an atomic bomb! Prove me wrong and win €1M. Back to the CC topic. You think the Master shall be strung up in any tree?
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Please back off a little - a serious amount of irrelevance in the above post!

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Just joined, interested in what plans if any there are at present for the ship being moved? What does the future hold?
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I for one would be very interested in the salvage or breaking of this vessel
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By that i mean "how the company will go about it. ie: will they weld patches then pump her out or what
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By that i mean "how the company will go about it. ie: will they weld patches then pump her out or what
I don't think they have decided whether to scrap or refloat her yet, however, some of the possible methods are described here.

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What in heaven's name is this Heiwa person up too !.
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Cruise ship "Costa Concordia" aground

Cassiopeia, just have a little Google, read and you will see what we are contending with. Like I said already, I'm not interested in his dialogue any more. In my world there are places for him!!!
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According to this BBC report on the Costa Europa prang in Feb 2010, they seems to be a bit recalcitrant.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16823955

Extract: "Italian authorities are refusing to release the findings of an inquiry into a fatal accident involving a sister ship of the Costa Concordia.

Three crew members were killed when the Costa Europa hit a quay in Sharm el-Sheikh, Egypt, in February 2010.

Accident reports should be submitted to the International Maritime Organization (IMO), but such regulations have not been followed."
Costa Europa (now Thomson Dream) was never a sister ship of Costa Concordia.
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Cruise ship "Costa Concordia" aground

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