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Old 3rd February 2012, 19:32
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re forts

hi john, i allways wanted to ship out in a liberty ship, i went aboard a greek one in pireaus in the 60,s regards, Tony.
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Old 3rd February 2012, 20:04
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Hugh was that because of the War, the Ship or both?

But if you would rather forget............?
Everything!!!
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Old 3rd February 2012, 20:51
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Only time I went up on the bridge was when the Master decided to log me a days pay for being late returning to the ship,and that was on the bridge wing. I wonder why that was the custom back then. Well I guess it was better than being tied to the mast and meeting the cat with the lash.

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Old 3rd February 2012, 21:08
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I sailed in 14 ships built during WW2 - 3 of them during the war.
Cape Howe a Standard Y type for Lyle Co - I made her maiden voyage 1943.
Neritina -Anglo Saxon Co - I made her maiden voyage 1943/44.
British Merit BTC - built 1942 - my voyage 1945.
Postwar -
Empire Shepherd MOWT built 1943 - my voyage 1945
Fort Gloucester MOWT built 1943 - my voyage 1945
Sampep MOWT Liberty ship built 1943 -my voyage 1945
Gold Ranger RFA built 1941 - my voyage 1946
Ocean Vanity MOWT built 1942 - my voyage 1947..Details exactly as stated by Lakercapt..
El Morro T2 tanker of BTC built 1944 -my voyage 1948
Trevanion Hain Co built 1944 -my voyage 1948
City of Ely Ellerman Co Liberty ship ex Samarina built 1943 -my voyage 1948
Empire Baltic ex LST 3519 built 1945 -my voyage 1949/51
Freecrest ex Empire Austen built 1942 -my voyage 1951
Starcrest ex Empire Asquith built 1944 - my voyage 1952/53
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Old 3rd February 2012, 21:23
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I always wanted to ship out on a T-2 but never got lucky,some of my shipmates said they were a very good ships with a hell of and engine room.

John.
They were. Everything was so different and ahead of the times. It is ironic that it took a war to change the way things were at sea.

Shower, washbasin and toilet in every cabin. The beds, or bunks, were half as wide ,again, as the bunks in Forts. Ice water machines and fridges in the wardrooms.

All this is old hat to later generations but this was in 1945 and they were still ahead of their time and setting the benchmark for future ships. It took Americans to show British shipowners that times were changing. If it was not for them we would still be using one shower and toilet for deck officers and one for engineers and the sailors would, still, be getting their fresh water by the use of a hand pump.
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Old 3rd February 2012, 21:33
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I went aboard a Fort ship when I was an apprentice. I think it was in Villa Constitucion, Parana river. Maybe it was Counties, or London and Overseas, or a London Greek; I forget, and I didn't note it in my "log". But I do remember she had wooden derricks ( some of them, anyway). Would that indicate Canadian built perhaps?
It might have done. The cabins had nicely finished furniture ( but you had to put a bucket under the wash basin to catch the water and you had to fill it by hand. No one used the damned things). The bridge and lifeboat decks were wood. T2's in contrast, had "tin" furniture and there was no wood to be seen anywhere. I know what I would rather have!
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Old 3rd February 2012, 22:08
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Sailed as apprentice on Fort Camosun in 1944 and 3rd Mate coasting on Fort Ville Marie in 1945.
Fort Camosun was twice torpedoed and didn't sink.. First time was 6 hours into her 1st voyage from Vancouver where she was built. 2nd time in G of Aden - beached there and then patched up and sailed to UK for repair.
Coal burner - Port Said was the fastest coaling port - women with baskets !!
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Old 4th February 2012, 09:50
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Dual Fuel Option

I was wondering about bunkers in dual fuel ships, presumably the coal bunker space couldn't be used for oil, so oil fuel carried in DBs ?

What were the bunkering arrangements?
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Was not until 1956 that I sailed on a ship with Radar.
It was a very basic and when working was a great asset.
Main difficulty was that you had to get the master who had a key to unlock the controls.He was the one who decided if it was necessary or should it be kept until really needed!!!!
A big problem was that the switching on and off was a major factor in them breaking down. It was when they were left on that they were more reliable and suffered less breakdowns.

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Old 4th February 2012, 19:22
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Fort Edmonton. Shanghaied.1955
Was told by Dock St Pool fly to Antwerp join the Federal Voyager 5 week trip
Montreal back to the UK.
We flew from Blackbushei noticed a 18 inch stilson on the wing of the plane as the plane was reving up prior to take off the stilson fell to the ground.
The 2 planes were ex Vicounts no heating we were freezing helped only by the minature bottles of spirit which they gave us.
On arrival on board at Antwerp we were told that we would be on the Canadian
coast for the season alot longer than 5 weeks,after some arguments we did sign on and sailed.
We left Antwerp April 30th arrived Montreal May 18th heavy weather all the way,when we came back 8 months later the crossing took 16 days 3 days less.
She was was a slushy old ship heading into a gale, stick her snout in fill up forrard,then stick her **** in poop one and fill up aft,on the Monkey Island
there was a massive Aldis Lamp which was used at night to check the forrard hatch covers.
On arrival at Montreal we were told that we would be bringing iron ore from Seven Islands to Contrecour which was a jetty in the middle of nowhere.
Contrecour was a village a few miles away after about a mile walk you could
get a bus,it consisted of a couple of shops a soda bar and a club,consequently
the club was popular as it was the only place to get a beer.
One amusing incident one evening most of the crowd were in the club over the other side was the Old Man with the Chief Officer,something happened so all of us were kicked out including the Captain and the CO.
We threatened to go on strike if we did not get our Canadian Coast bonus straight away,Cheap Cigarettes,Travel money for bus fares they agreed on those points.
We did 37 trips down river to Seven Islands,37 trips up river to Contrecour.
Accomodation 4 to a cabin first and last ship where Mosquito Nets were supplied,food nothing special but edible.
If we helped Chippy repair the ceiling of the hold we got a extra Canadian Dollar a hour.
We left Montreal for Hull December 10th,arrived Hull December 26th.
On the whole she was not a bad Old Ship enjoyed my time in her.
A incident while there,Second Cook and the Sparkie stole a car,they were being chased by the police when they crashed off the road,Second Cook was killed.Sparkie was deported.
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Old 4th February 2012, 20:56
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Sailed on the Fresno City ex Empire Singapore in 1963/64 . I remember we had a gyro (located somewhere on the main deck) but cant recall an auto pilot if we did then it rarely worked.The depth sounder was some sort of rotary device but I think it was fairly accurate and a RDF which only the RO Could operate successfully. I remeber a story doing teh rounds at that time that one of the company ship ( Reardon Smiths) he had constructed a" radar scanner " out of an empty oil drum mounted it on the monkey island when at anchor with another company ship, as an act of upmanship.
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Old 4th February 2012, 21:02
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re federal voyager

WOW, some trip, was she managed by Watts Watts at that time, ? or were you employed by Federal Commerce, they did have a london office, regards, STORES.
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Old 5th February 2012, 10:20
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WOW, some trip, was she managed by Watts Watts at that time, ? or were you employed by Federal Commerce, they did have a london office, regards, STORES.
I think it was Federal Steam Navigation Company of Montreal.
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Old 5th February 2012, 10:57
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[QUOTE=Guernsey;" out of an empty oil drum mounted it on the monkey island when at anchor with another company ship, as an act of upmanship.[/QUOTE].

Same story was doing the rounds in Texaco in '70s - so apocryphal? or perhaps several came up with the same idea.
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Did a trip on Lokoja Palm/GWWJ ex-Empire Birdsay. As RO I remember that there was no inside way from my cabin to the Radio Room. Even up one deck and through the wheelhouse was not completely inside. I don't remember a gyro, but also don't remember someone on the wheel all the time. Had a basic Decca radar, and Seimens radio gear. I do remember the British Rail type bridge windows with the leather strap though, and that the engine telegraph came through my cabin in trunking.

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Old 6th February 2012, 01:03
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The Waihemo was a fort boat and had a gyro and radar which was a pointed range finder type converted to a PPI screen later. The Wairata I think was a later built war time building I think was called a C1A.
The gyro compass was fitted to both vessels but I do not know what type as at that time I was a cadet.I think they had auto pilots.
Waihemo ex Dominion Park ,as you say radar and gyro but no
iron mike. Three to a watch, no wheel every third watch.
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Old 6th February 2012, 01:29
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Waihemo ex Dominion Park ,as you say radar and gyro but no
iron mike. Three to a watch, no wheel every third watch.
Hi Bucko,
No wheel every third watch.. whoever that was would do one hour
on standby then two hours on lookout and one hour on standby.
He was 'farmer' and would call the next watch..
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Old 6th February 2012, 13:18
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Fort Glenora, 1946 to 1949, Magnetic steering and standard compass, telegraph
to E.R. Direction finder, walkers log streamed from bridge wing, chronometer, two sextants,captains voice pipe. Cant remember an echo sounder. For some reason the binoculars were in the captains safe with the revolver and ammunition.
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Old 6th February 2012, 13:35
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Waihemo ex Dominion Park ,as you say radar and gyro but no
iron mike. Three to a watch, no wheel every third watch.
think it was the Waihemo we went aboard in New Westminster,the crowd was all ashore at a funeral,we were off a Ropners job,what a surprise,deck and down below mess aft,table cloths settings for four at each table with cup AND saucer side plate knife fork and spoon for each place,went away slightly down,but we did have a gryo and iron mike two in a watch hour about lookout on the wing of the bridge
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Old 10th February 2012, 14:06
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Smile Photos of a restored Liberty ship

When in Piraeus in June 2010 my wife and I had a personal tour of a Liberty ship. The Greek watchman, ex AB, was very informative. Just 3 Liberty ships left in the world, I believe.

Hellas Liberty started life as the Arthur M. Huddell and was acquired by Greece with the intention of converting her into a floating museum dedicated to the history of the Greek merchant marine. After the Second World War, Greeks bought or were given about 100 Liberty ships to help them rebuild their merchant marine fleet.

I'm not sure whether it has yet opened to the public, but it is well worth a visit. The engines have been removed.

Attached are some of the photographs I took - 5 is the maximum permitted so I'll add more in another posting.
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Old 10th February 2012, 14:20
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Smile More photos from Hellas Liberty ship in Piraeus

The accommodation was quite impressive for its time.
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Old 10th February 2012, 14:28
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Smile Hellas Liberty - yet more photos

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Old 10th February 2012, 15:37
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As many know the John Brown is on display in Baltimore, and does a number of cruises open to the public during the nice weather. It's an all-volunteer crew.
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Here are the PARK ships that were built at Saint John Shipbuliding and Drydock.
Amazing how long these ships lasted
Rockwood Park Govt of Canada (Park SS Co.) Cargo Ship 2,877 Feb-43 La Grande Hermine 1947, Vianna 1951, Cap Falcon 1955, Licola 1963, scrapped 1971
15 Camp Sussex/Dartmouth Park Govt of Canada (Park SS Co.) Cargo Ship 2,877 May-43 Captain Polemis 1946, Lumberman 1949, Chepo 1952, S.N.A.6 1952, Tourliani 1964, scrapped 1974
16 Fawkner Park Govt of Canada (Park SS Co.) Cargo Ship 2,910 Jan-44 Kooralya 1947, Mandarin Star 1960, Fortune Bay 1967, Dragonboat 1967, scrapped 1968
17 Taronga Park Govt of Canada (Park SS Co.) Cargo Ship 2,884 Apr-44 Federal Ranger 1947, Maria Toft 1948, J.E.Manne 1951, J.E.M.Naess 1956, Hermes Leader 1963, Leader One 1969, Panagia M. 1971, Merian 1975, wrecked off Othoni Is 1977
18 Bloomfield Park Govt of Canada (Park SS Co.) Cargo Ship 2,884 Sep-44 Sundale 1948, Amigo 1958, Christian S. 1960, burnt in Barranquilla 1963
19 Oakmount Park Govt of Canada (Park SS Co.) Cargo Ship 2,883 Jan-45 Oakmount 1947, Makena II 1948, Sugar Producer 1951, Curran 1956, Ocean Fortune 1957, Onbak Fadjarb 1968, deleted 1983
20 Argyle Park Govt of Canada (Park SS Co.) Cargo Ship 2,894 Jun-45 Liverpool Packet 1946, Westport 1963, Athos 1965, Aramis 1968, scrapped 1976
21 Shakespeare Park Govt of Canada (Park SS Co.) Cargo Ship 2,895 Nov-45 Sunprince 1948, Salammanna 1959, scrapped 1964
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Old 10th February 2012, 16:12
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The accommodation was quite impressive for its time.
Thanks for the photos,the ship looks very clean,I also noticed that the lifeboats had been removed.
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