What was a landsman - Ships Nostalgia
12:06

Welcome
Welcome!Welcome to Ships Nostalgia, the world's greatest online community for people worldwide with an interest in ships and shipping. Whether you are crew, ex-crew, ship enthusiasts or cruisers, this is the forum for you. And what's more, it's completely FREE.

Click here to go to the forums home page and find out more.
Click here to join.
Log in
User Name Password

What was a landsman

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 28th May 2013, 15:09
perduda perduda is offline  
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 10
What was a landsman

Hi
I have found a merchant navy record for one of my ancestors in 1835 and it appears that it says that he first went to sea as a "landsman". Does anyone know what it actually means.
Thanks
Carol
Attached Images
File Type: jpg landsman.jpg (17.2 KB, 23 views)
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 28th May 2013, 15:38
stores stores is offline   SN Supporter
STORES
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 940
ONE WHO WORKS ON THE LAND, AND WHO HAS LITTLE OR NO KNOWLEDGE OF THE SEA.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 28th May 2013, 15:45
perduda perduda is offline  
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 10
thanks
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 28th May 2013, 16:42
sparkie2182 sparkie2182 is offline  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
My location
Posts: 19,326
" WHO HAS LITTLE OR NO KNOWLEDGE OF THE SEA."

Often of Flag Rank.

Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 28th May 2013, 16:53
cueball44's Avatar
cueball44 cueball44 is offline  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 17,504
A seaman with less than a year's experience at sea. After a year, the Landsman was usually promoted to ordinary seaman. Most were acquired by impressment.PS Google 19th century Landsman.

Last edited by cueball44; 28th May 2013 at 16:55..
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 28th May 2013, 16:59
Dickyboy's Avatar
Dickyboy Dickyboy is offline
Senior Member
Organisation: Merchant Navy
Department: Deck
Active: 1964 - 2009
 
Join Date: May 2009
My location
Posts: 8,633
Sort of DHU (Deck Hand Uncertificated) I guess.
__________________
Good advice is usually ignored, but that's no reason for not giving it. Miss Marple.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 28th May 2013, 17:07
Nick Balls's Avatar
Nick Balls Nick Balls is offline  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,700
Originally in the Royal Navy the term 'Landsman' were untrained hands who in theory had 'volunteered' and since they did not use the sea as a profession enjoyed immunity from impressment. This rather changed in the 18th century as demand for manpower grew. This 'rating' was abolished in 1862 to be replaced by Ordinary Seaman 2nd Class.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 28th May 2013, 20:27
Mad Landsman's Avatar
Mad Landsman Mad Landsman is online now  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 6,288
Maybe I should answer this one

According to Admiral W H Smythe (writing in 1867):

'The rating formerly of those on board a ship who had never been to sea, and who were usually stationed among the waisters or after-guard. Some of those used to small craft are more ready about the decks than in going aloft. The rating is now Second class ordinary'.


And, from The OED, 2nd definition:

A person living or working on land as opp. to a seaman; (obsolete exc. hist.) a sailor on his first sea voyage. M17


Or even, by my understanding; in a twentieth century colloquial term: A man who uses his land-based trades or skills to good effect while employed on a ship.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 1st June 2013, 18:39
BarryJ BarryJ is offline  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 237
Carol -

The usual meaning of "landsman" was the Royal Navy rating of a man who had never been at sea before, and was unskilled in seamanship. It was applied to a man who had been a victim of the press gang, or as a volunteer.

Are you sure that he was in the merchant service? I've never heard of that "rank" in merchant ships. Also, from 1853, impressment ceased to be used in the Royal Navy, and the rating of "landsman" was abolished in 1862.

BarryJ
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 21st June 2013, 15:05
David Bland David Bland is offline  
Member
Organisation: Merchant Navy
Department: Navigation
Active: 1974 - Present
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 3
Landsmen

Interesting to read through the replies and Nick as always will have an answer. Today the word Landsmen would sum up 99% of the crew I have worked with over the last few years.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 21st June 2013, 15:33
chadburn chadburn is offline  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 10,573
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Landsman View Post
Maybe I should answer this one

According to Admiral W H Smythe (writing in 1867):

'The rating formerly of those on board a ship who had never been to sea, and who were usually stationed among the waisters or after-guard. Some of those used to small craft are more ready about the decks than in going aloft. The rating is now Second class ordinary'.


And, from The OED, 2nd definition:

A person living or working on land as opp. to a seaman; (obsolete exc. hist.) a sailor on his first sea voyage. M17


Or even, by my understanding; in a twentieth century colloquial term: A man who uses his land-based trades or skills to good effect while employed on a ship.
Also known as National Servicemen
__________________
Geordie Chief

From Grey Funnel to any Funnel, just show him/ me the money Mabel
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 21st June 2013, 20:13
Mad Landsman's Avatar
Mad Landsman Mad Landsman is online now  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 6,288
Quote:
Originally Posted by chadburn View Post
Also known as National Servicemen
Yep! That would fit.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off




Support SN


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.1.0 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.