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Old 20th July 2019, 09:37
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In all the goings on the men who are the pawns in this tit for tat piracy and that is what it is are the crews of whatever nationality ,the tanker boarded in Gib as well,remember brethren they are seamen and are worthy and in need of our prayers and thoughts,the governments of all sides don't give a damn for them we should,another earlier post referred to young men here in the u.k.not wishing to got to sea is wrong the fact is the owners for max profit use poorer countries. For crews and pay them peanuts but again I ask for your thoughts and prayers for all our seafaring brethren from whatever country.
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Old 20th July 2019, 10:27
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Interesting that the tanker seized at Gibralta was on a EU directive backing the blocking of oil to Syria, and as a result we have this situation in the Gulf with a British registered tanker, this got to me thinking , how many EU countries are supplying ships to guard the Gulf, France , Belgium, Holland, Spain etc, all have naval vessels. I have been looking for that info, but drawn a blank at the moment
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Old 20th July 2019, 10:59
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It is not wringing of hands and appealing to one's shaman of choice that will help them but governors that are prepared to protect our supply lines, the minimum expectation of the taxpayer. Self interest will motivate them whilst a moral ethic might be too much for them. It does not matter what epidermal hue is shared by the crew except that our governors can avoid some of the opprobrium when they choose to sideline the event because of the non British(more inexpensive) human factor. The damage to the economy is the virtually the same.

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Old 20th July 2019, 11:04
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Suprises me that there has been no statement from Stena/ Denmark as even though the ship is flying the red Ensign the co that owns it is Danish, or am I mistaken.

"The vessel's owners said it was fully complying with regulations and was in international waters when it was approached.

It said there no reported injuries among the 23 crew members, who are Indian, Russian, Latvian and Filipino
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Old 20th July 2019, 12:43
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What nationality are the crew of the Stena ImperoÖ does anyone know??
All Indian nationals including the Old Man.

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Old 20th July 2019, 13:14
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Suprises me that there has been no statement from Stena/ Denmark as even though the ship is flying the red Ensign the co that owns it is Danish, or am I mistaken.
You are mistaken, Stena is Swedish. Stena Offshore took over the Company that I worked for in Aberdeen, in the late 80's. I worked for them for about 6months then was made redundant, best thing that ever happened to me.
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Old 20th July 2019, 14:21
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Suprises me that there has been no statement from Stena/ Denmark as even though the ship is flying the red Ensign the co that owns it is Danish, or am I mistaken.
You are mistaken! This is what Stena had to say:-

"Stena Bulk has issued the following statement about M/V Stena Impero, the British-flagged oil tanker that Iran claims to have siezed.

Stena Bulk and Northern Marine Management can confirm that at approximately 1600 BST on 19th July UK registered vessel Stena Impero (built 2018, 49,683 DWT) was approached by unidentified small crafts and a helicopter during transit of the Strait of Hormuz while the vessel was in international waters. We are presently unable to contact the vessel which is now heading north towards Iran.

There are 23 seafarers aboard. There have been no reported injuries and their safety is of primary concern to both owners and managers. The priority of both vessel owner Stena Bulk and ship manager Northern Marine Management is the safety and welfare of the crew.

Northern Marine Management has not been able to establish contact directly with the vessel since it was notified of the incident at approximately 1600 Today, 19th July 2019.
We are in close contact with UK government authorities."
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Old 20th July 2019, 16:11
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You are mistaken! This is what Stena had to say:-

"Stena Bulk has issued the following statement about M/V Stena Impero, the British-flagged oil tanker that Iran claims to have siezed.

Stena Bulk and Northern Marine Management can confirm that at approximately 1600 BST on 19th July UK registered vessel Stena Impero (built 2018, 49,683 DWT) was approached by unidentified small crafts and a helicopter during transit of the Strait of Hormuz while the vessel was in international waters. We are presently unable to contact the vessel which is now heading north towards Iran.

There are 23 seafarers aboard. There have been no reported injuries and their safety is of primary concern to both owners and managers. The priority of both vessel owner Stena Bulk and ship manager Northern Marine Management is the safety and welfare of the crew.

Northern Marine Management has not been able to establish contact directly with the vessel since it was notified of the incident at approximately 1600 Today, 19th July 2019.
We are in close contact with UK government authorities."
If Northern Marine and Stena Bulk are concerned about the safety and welfare of the crew, that will be a first ! As they didn't care about their crews, when the Stena King\Queen went to scrap. Said they would look after us and the next thing that happened, my wages stopped without notice !! and No redundancy payment after working for them for 13 years !

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Old 20th July 2019, 16:36
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Trump probably paid someone ,just to get Britain involved ? .... what lesson is that which the Iranians need "to learn" Steve , is it the same one that the Saudis and the Americans need to learn. ?
Politics in Stormy Weather please folks!
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Old 20th July 2019, 16:57
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Fair comment Art. .... sorry, But sometimes adding a comment to an interesting thread ,the brain often moves a bit quicker, .... Thank God it still can??
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Old 20th July 2019, 19:21
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Interesting that the tanker seized at Gibralta was on a EU directive backing the blocking of oil to Syria, and as a result we have this situation in the Gulf with a British registered tanker, this got to me thinking , how many EU countries are supplying ships to guard the Gulf, France , Belgium, Holland, Spain etc, all have naval vessels. I have been looking for that info, but drawn a blank at the moment
I have been trying to find out what Brussels are saying about what is. Going on. Seems we are being ignored by them, itís nice to have friends who take your cash and disappear when you would expect some sort of comment. It goes to prove they are not to be trusted.
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Old 20th July 2019, 20:30
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Does it matter what nationality the crew is ? Piracy is Piracy ! I am sure if Iran wants a fight, they have far fewer ships than the forces that will respond to their attacks on innocent vessels ! and they will loose !
However in a war everybody loses.
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Old 20th July 2019, 22:07
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ref 27, this is the only response i can find from the EU,lovely wide comfortable fence to sit on i believe, God knows how they perceive the word UNITED Europe, nothing further from the truth

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-m...-idUSKCN1TM1JR
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Old 20th July 2019, 22:31
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https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/eu-e...eizure/1537279

Took me 2 minutes to find.
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Old 20th July 2019, 22:54
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If Northern Marine and Stena Bulk are concerned about the safety and welfare of the crew, that will be a first ! As they didn't care about their crews, when the Stena King\Queen went to scrap. Said they would look after us and the next thing that happened, my wages stopped without notice !! and No redundancy payment after working for them for 13 years !
Regrettably, happens in airlines as well. When it happened to me I was lucky to be in a financial situation where the personal effect was containable.
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Old 20th July 2019, 22:57
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However in a war everybody loses.
True. I thought that avoiding war was what we paid our poloticians for and, when they failed, what we paid our military for.

That's not very well argued, is it?
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Old 20th July 2019, 23:04
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ref 27, this is the only response i can find from the EU,lovely wide comfortable fence to sit on i believe, God knows how they perceive the word UNITED Europe, nothing further from the truth

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-m...-idUSKCN1TM1JR
Yes, as you say " . . . but see no reason to intervene . . chairman Donald Tusk said on Friday after an EU summit."

Anything else is not the EU official line.
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Old 20th July 2019, 23:21
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........a foretaste of life after 31st October?

Having left the collective security of 27 nations we will be alone.

Won't we?
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Old 21st July 2019, 04:30
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........a foretaste of life after 31st October?

Having left the collective security of 27 nations we will be alone.

Won't we?
No, we will back you up. We should be able to rustle up a Loch class frigate and a couple of DH Vampire Jets from our 'come in handy' stores and rush to your aid , see you about Christmas time with some spring lamb , Anchor butter , some Lion Red beer and a Maori Haka team to fight the evil.

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Old 21st July 2019, 06:21
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AS clearly noted the majority of the Crew are Indians, India has a Navy and the are close to the Straits of Hormuz, so where are their warships protecting their Nationals?
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Old 21st July 2019, 06:39
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Congratulations D Trump. YOU have upset the apple cart.
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Old 21st July 2019, 17:05
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AS clearly noted the majority of the Crew are Indians, India has a Navy and the are close to the Straits of Hormuz, so where are their warships protecting their Nationals?
Your comment is spot on. Not only do they have a Navy but it is a fair size as well. As well as a sizeable, reasonably well developed blue sea Navy they also have a large space program. Meanwhile, the U.K. is still providing huge amounts every year in aid

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Old 21st July 2019, 17:50
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Frigates would have been more use to us than the white elephant aircraft carrier.
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Old 21st July 2019, 18:32
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The British impound an Iranian tanker for breaking sanctions by the British and their allies, the Iranians then answer with what must seem to them exactly the same action. No sailor on either ship has so far been hurt, and the start of it all must be squarely laid on the door of the Americans, who renegaded on international agreements, signed by them. If we are dragged into a Mideast conflagration by petulant tweets from a boor and a bully like Trump, we really deserve whatever damages comes our way. The problem here is surely not one of missing naval strength on our side, but a bit of calm and common sense.
I agree with you. Anyone who is surprised by the Iranian reaction to the UK arrest of their tanker is naÔve, IMO. UK politicians are so busy with Brexit that their defence policy is up the wall, along with NHS, police, education and other internal matters.
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Old 21st July 2019, 19:12
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Apparently HMS Montrose was an hour away and could not intervene ! This leaves me to wonder what would have happened if she was closer ? What are the rules of engagement ?
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