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Old 24th February 2019, 14:05
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Does anyone have any info on the KY261 Wakeful wondering were the 261 came from if was symbolic
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Old 24th February 2019, 18:32
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Does anyone have any info on the KY261 Wakeful wondering were the 261 came from if was symbolic
Is this an encrypted message?
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Old 24th February 2019, 22:23
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If its a fishing boat it's out of Kirkaldy Fife
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Old 25th February 2019, 09:02
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Does anyone have any info on the KY261 Wakeful wondering were the 261 came from if was symbolic
All fishing vessels/trawlers were allocated a number as well as their port identification letters, normally painted in large letters on the bow for ease of identification rather than looking for small standardised size names. On the Humber you received a message from Lockhead at St Andrews Dock stating H402 (one of my trawlers) you are turn 5, you then flew the 5 pennant to let other trawlers arriving know that you were #5 in turn to enter the lock, a very important sequence for catch/market purposes. These letters are not so important these days for berth purposes, but in the days when there were 400 trawlers sailing out of Hull and 300 out of Grimsby and few berths the sequence was very important
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Old 25th February 2019, 21:17
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Does anyone have any info on the KY261 Wakeful wondering were the 261 came from if was symbolic
All fishing vessels/trawlers were allocated a number as well as their port identification letters, normally painted in large letters on the bow for ease of identification rather than looking for small standardised size names. On the Humber you received a message from Lockhead at St Andrews Dock stating H402 (one of my trawlers) you are turn 5, you then flew the 5 pennant to let other trawlers arriving know that you were #5 in turn to enter the lock, a very important sequence for catch/market purposes. These letters are not so important these days for berth purposes, but in the days when there were 400 trawlers sailing out of Hull and 300 out of Grimsby and few berths the sequence was very important


Hi my bf Worked on Soolee H402 out of Scarborough in 1980 on a pleasure trip .
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Old 25th February 2019, 21:51
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Hi my bf Worked on Soolee H402 out of Scarborough in 1980 on a pleasure trip .
Will not be the same vessel, certainly not a pleasure vessel, I'm assuming 'bf' means 'boyfriend' but if not please explain, as us old codgers do not use shorthand, we tend to use language to its full

H402 was the deep sea trawler 'Swanland' was built in 1914 and scrapped in 1956.Served as an armed minesweeper in both World Wars
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Will not be the same vessel, certainly not a pleasure vessel, I'm assuming 'bf' means 'boyfriend' but if not please explain, as us old codgers do not use shorthand, we tend to use language to its full

H402 was the deep sea trawler 'Swanland' was built in 1914 and scrapped in 1956.Served as an armed minesweeper in both World Wars

Bf is the Reg letters for the port of Banff on the Moray Firth. It covers a number of harbours in the area.
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Old 26th February 2019, 08:32
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Bf is the Reg letters for the port of Banff on the Moray Firth. It covers a number of harbours in the area.
Somehow John I don't think 'bf' means Banff in the context of her/his message #5 but we await clarification from JI1984
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Old 26th February 2019, 11:14
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Somehow John I don't think 'bf' means Banff in the context of her/his message #5 but we await clarification from JI1984
alf asleep when I wrote that.Plenty photos of Wakeful in Google
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Old 26th February 2019, 11:15
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Does anyone have any info on the KY261 Wakeful wondering were the 261 came from if was symbolic

Google Fishing vessel Wakeful KY261. Plenty of photos of her there on different sites
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Old 26th February 2019, 11:20
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Does anyone have any info on the KY261 Wakeful wondering were the 261 came from if was symbolic

Google Fishing vessel Wakeful KY261. Plenty of photos of her there on different sites

Thankyou and yes sorry BF I meant boyfriend sorry
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Old 6th March 2019, 16:39
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You both seem to know a lot about trawlers so was wondering do you know why two boats end up with the same reg is it that you can take that reg once the trawler that had it before is no longer in existence
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Old 6th March 2019, 22:47
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You both seem to know a lot about trawlers so was wondering do you know why two boats end up with the same reg is it that you can take that reg once the trawler that had it before is no longer in existence
Did my first trip on a distant water trawler to Arctic fishing grounds when aged 13, when the moon was young.

A number is allocated to a trawler by the Ship Registry for which port the vessel is registered in.

For example H402 is a Hull registry, if the vessel was sold to Grimsby owner and he wanted to register the trawler in Grimsby then it would be allocated a number GY123 (for example).

H402 would then become available for another Hull registered trawler, the previous owner of H402 could request the registry to allocate it to one of his new purchases, but this rarely happened, unless the trawler registered under H402 had been very lucky, which H402 was, she survived two world wars and had a good catch record.

However used numbers rarely are allocated straightaway to another vessel. There is nothing to stop a vessel with the number H402 operating out of Scarborough or any other port, but its port of Registry should still show as Hull on the stern.

When a vessel is scrapped its number goes back to the Registry for re-allocation. However I found it is rare for a number to be used again, and if a vessel is lost at sea, that number would invariably be deleted from the Registry as a mark of respect for the families and superstitions of trawlermen (and other seamen) who would not want to sail under a blighted number.
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Old 6th March 2019, 23:24
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Ok so after that and H402 became soolee was that because the owners bought that or it just became available
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Old 7th March 2019, 08:50
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Ok so after that and H402 became soolee was that because the owners bought that or it just became available
Sorry I cannot answer that, is the Soolee registered in Hull.

I am not conversant with current regulations, I am only able to give information relating to my time at sea on trawlers, before joining the Merchant Navy.

Thank you for your PM
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Old 7th March 2019, 12:30
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Very thorough explanation Seaman 38

Much appreciated.

BW

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Old 7th March 2019, 12:52
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Very thorough explanation Seaman 38

Much appreciated.

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