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Old 19th October 2013, 23:22
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"THE PLAN WAS TO GET ON THE RIG AND OCCUPY IT!"

Is occupation classed as piracy?

Quote. (4 minutes 16 seconds into the film)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwGdij8_mGo

At least one of the "occupiers" had no climbing skills whatsoever...........Who were the "professional seafarers" who allowed themselves to be involved in this farce?

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Old 20th October 2013, 01:35
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Who says you can't scuttle ships? SMART off Richards Bay https://www.shipsnostalgia.com/attach...5&d=1381197357

And then there was USS America....
Cisco - I stand corrected - there are indeed a number of ships sunk as artificial reefs etc.

It was more this idea that once we are finished with a structure whether offshore or a vessel that we should just take it to deep water and sink it for no other reason than as a means of disposal - surely we must be better than that.
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.......At least Moore agrees with Satmech on the right to protest.

Here he is protesting in Canada AGAINST Greenpeace.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/10...ands-of-lives/

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/58295

Another protester - lets get him.

Actually another very interesting topic - genetic foods.

That aside I most certainly do not blindly follow GP , but I do recognise that they do peacefully raise awareness of things they believe in and for the life of me I cannot fathom the onanistic frenzy people get into over them getting arrested. I see many protests I disagree with but I would take to the barricades to defend their right to protest.
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Must try harder.

Much harder.

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Satanic Mechanic post # 358 keyed:

It was more this idea that once we are finished with a structure whether offshore or a vessel that we should just take it to deep water and sink it for no other reason than as a means of disposal - surely we must be better than that.

http://www.fla-keys.com/diving/vandenberg.cfm

This is how it is done in the USA.

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Old 20th October 2013, 15:10
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The Stern section off the coal ship that recently ran aground in Richards Bay was taken to the deeps and sunk, ships make excellent artifical reefs for marine growth and HELPING THE ENVIROMENT where no reef existed before. Ships are like an Embassy for that Country. Best to check how they meter out justice before taking action. We were told never to go ashore in an Eastern Bloc (pre the Wall coming down) as you risk being arrested on some spurious charge.
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Actually I can accept that and as a diver really rather appreciate it, but there is a difference between that and sinking them to the depths of the ocean which is what was planned for the spar.

Would the Brent Spar have made a suitable reef?
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Old 21st October 2013, 12:02
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Actually I can accept that and as a diver really rather appreciate it, but there is a difference between that and sinking them to the depths of the ocean which is what was planned for the spar.

Would the Brent Spar have made a suitable reef?
As long as there parts of the structure where marine life in its many forms can hide in the dark then the underwater community will take over the structure, nature has a remarkable way of establishing itself.
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A few years back I watched the sinking of HMAS Brisbane off Mooloolaba on Queensland's Sunshine Coast. Prior to the sinking they spent a considerable amount of time removing toxic material from the ship. She is now a well populated artificial reef and popular dive site.

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Old 21st October 2013, 19:54
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Wreck fishing off Whitby is still big business John, Greenpeace did not have to board the Russian Rig, just being in that remote area would have given Greenpeace plenty of publicity.
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The Stern section off the coal ship that recently ran aground in Richards Bay was taken to the deeps and sunk, ships make excellent artifical reefs for marine growth and HELPING THE ENVIROMENT where no reef existed before. Ships are like an Embassy for that Country. Best to check how they meter out justice before taking action. We were told never to go ashore in an Eastern Bloc (pre the Wall coming down) as you risk being arrested on some spurious charge.
The last time I visited Russia we had a few men in trench coats following us around. After a night on the town we were detained at the office by the boat landing were we had to account for all the money spent and what we had left.

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http://www.independent.ie/world-news...-29694921.html

Reckon they are lucky buggers.

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Lucky yes very but the charge hooliganism says what they are dosnt it, a bunch of hooligans acting under the cover of protecting the earth
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Lucky yes very but the charge hooliganism says what they are dosnt it, a bunch of hooligans acting under the cover of protecting the earth
boatman,keep your fingers crossed they might get the full seven years for hooliganism
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Old 23rd October 2013, 20:47
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Exactly Boatman 25 - Hooligans on a personal crusade - I recall an incident in Ireland some years ago where authorities started constructing a stretch of motorway to replace a notoriously dangerous stretch of minor road where there had been an unprecedented number of accidents including fatalities. The tree huggers moved in en force and camped out in a forest part of which had to be felled to allow construction of the new motorway. One of the tactics used to delay the project was that the "Greens" inserted metal spikes in the trees resulting in very serious injuries to several construction workers - very "peaceful non violent tactics" - forgive the sarcasm. They managed to delay the project by several years while the authorities dragged them through every court in the land and NONE of them were ever charged in connection with the injuries to the workers. Happily the new motorway has been built for a number of years and there has been a dramatic reduction in the number of accidents on that stretch of road.
Something tells me that our Russian friends would not have wasted time and spent many millions dragging these "HOOLIGANS" through court .
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Old 23rd October 2013, 21:08
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How disappointing for the haters.
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Old 23rd October 2013, 21:19
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Can you explain/expand please Bill.
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Old 24th October 2013, 10:04
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Perhaps the lesser charge is more appropriate. - still carries a significant maximum penalty though.
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Can you explain/expand please Bill.
Easy, "hater" is treehuggish for "wanting to see the law upheld".
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Easy, "hater" is treehuggish for "wanting to see the law upheld".
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resulting in very serious injuries to several construction workers
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At least some of the media explore different viewpoints.
I like this one - http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/n...ectid=11146914
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Old 26th October 2013, 19:13
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As I indicated previously they did not have to board the Rig just be there, the Greenpeace publicity machine would make capital out of them being in such a remote place protesting, although, it will forget to mention that the vessel they use to get there is OIL powered.
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At least some of the media explore different viewpoints.
I like this one - http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/n...ectid=11146914
An interesting article John. The points made in the first part about an offshore platform being a dangerous place is pretty much what I was trying to say in my, albeit brief, message earlier in this thread.
I work on a gas platform and am therefore very aware of the dangers. The people that boarded the Russian platform were not aware of the operational status of the installation and had no idea of whether their actions would have an impact on the safety of the platform and therefore the safety of everyone onboard.

When I am at work I have to adhere to a very strict permit to work system. I'm sure the majority of the people here will be aware that the reason for this system is to ensure the continuing safety of the people and onboard the platform and, indeed, the platform itself. If I were to work outside this system I would be subject to disciplinary procedures. Depending on the severity of my transgression this could lead to instant dismissal from the company and, potentially, legal action being taken against me, which in turn could lead to a spell in prison.

I see no reason why people that try to gain illegal access to an offshore installation should be treated any differently. They were carrying out work on a platform without permission of the installation manager, without any checks being carried out on the equipment they were using, and therefore endangering the lives of all onboard. If it was my platform that they tried to board I would want the full force of the law brought to bear on them for endangering the lives of myself and fellow workmates.

What they were doing was downright dangerous and irresponsible. To say nothing of being foolish to do so with an installation owned and operated by Russia with their track record on applying justice.

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I like this one - http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/n...ectid=11146914
I trust you would support drilling in the Great Barrier Reef John ???

The last time it was proposed it wasn't just Greenpeace protesting it was vehemently rejected by the Australian public.

I expect responses from rig workers to castigate Greenpeace and any other protester because "they know best". The fact is John that some of us do care about the planets environment and support Greenpeace
because they have the guts to stand up and fight for what is right.
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