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Old 3rd November 2013, 20:23
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Border Castle

Hello all, I'm new to the Forum.
I have recently purchased a bell with 'Border Castle' on it.
Any info on the ship would be greatly received. I have seen the picture on this site, so I presume that the MV Border Castle was a 1970's oil tanker?
Do any of the forum members remember her and her ships bell ?
Do any have good photos and what was she like as a ship ? Any scandal !
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Old 3rd November 2013, 20:38
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Hopefully, someone will be able to help with information regarding MV Border Castle. Good luck
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I was 2 mate on the Border Castle. For over 9 months. When she was with Commons bros.
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Old 4th November 2013, 10:14
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If you put Border castle in search on the gallery you will have two pics of her.
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Owned by Geordie Greeks,Common Bros.(Lowland Tankers)
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Old 4th November 2013, 16:48
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Not owned by Common Brothers but the Lowland Tanker Company, a subsiduary of BP tankers. Managed by Common Brothers of Newcastle from its delivery in 1961 until its management went to BP in 1976. Built by Swan Hunter on the Tyne for 1631000 and engined with a 6 cylinder Doxford. 19610tonnes dwt. Sold by BP to Panama flag (Gulf Shipping, London) and renamed Five Brooks. Hit by Iranian gunboat causing severe damage aft in October 1986 in Strait of Hormuz. 10 crew killed by fire in accomodation, engineroom flooded. Declared a total war loss. Towed to Gadani Beach and scrapped Jan 1987
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Old 4th November 2013, 16:50
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I was 2 mate on the Border Castle. For over 9 months. When she was with Commons bros.
Great to hear you were Second Mate on Border Castle.
Do you by any chance remember a bell inscribed. Border Castle? It is about 7" high and beautifully made. Was it the ships bell?
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Old 5th November 2013, 08:58
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I believe this was a bridge bell. This was hung outside the bridge door and on some ship the QM would ring the bells throughout the night. This practice stopped
in the 60s.All the Border boats had them.
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Not owned by Common Brothers but the Lowland Tanker Company, a subsiduary of BP tankers. Managed by Common Brothers of Newcastle from its delivery in 1961 until its management went to BP in 1976. Built by Swan Hunter on the Tyne for 1631000 and engined with a 6 cylinder Doxford. 19610tonnes dwt. Sold by BP to Panama flag (Gulf Shipping, London) and renamed Five Brooks. Hit by Iranian gunboat causing severe damage aft in October 1986 in Strait of Hormuz. 10 crew killed by fire in accomodation, engineroom flooded. Declared a total war loss. Towed to Gadani Beach and scrapped Jan 1987
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That is magic information thank you very much.
Would you know the year BP Tankers sold the MV Border Castle to Panama Flag?
many thanks, tonyM
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Old 5th November 2013, 09:15
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I believe this was a bridge bell. This was hung outside the bridge door and on some ship the QM would ring the bells throughout the night. This practice stopped
in the 60s.All the Border boats had them.
great info - as a non sea farer I have a few questions !
why would the QM (Quarter Master?) ring the bell at night?
Why would the practice stop?
Was the actual ships bell much bigger?
Where would the ships bell hang if my smaller (?) bell was on the bridge?
Did the Border ships have a bridge bell and a larger Ships bell?
Thank you in advance for your patience and time.
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Old 5th November 2013, 09:39
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Ringing the bell was a old sailing ship tradition. mainly used for calling the watch smoko meals end of day etc. Now everyone has watches it is no longer required.Also Qm went out in the 60s as part of the cost cutting.The ships bell on the forecastle had to be 10 inchs across at the base. and is part of the rule of the road ie anchor bell in fog or aground.
The small bridge bell was hung just outside the bridge door. there was a little overhang from the monkey island and it was hung there.
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That is magic information thank you very much.
Would you know the year BP Tankers sold the MV Border Castle to Panama Flag?
many thanks, tonyM
BP Shipping Ltd sold Border Castle to Relay Maritime Inc (Gulf Shipping Lines) in 1981.
In those years it wasn't uncommon to have an engraved brass bell close to the manoeuving station in the engineroom. This being rung at the end of each watch. Another possibility ?
m.v. Five Brooks appears to have been shuttling cargoes from Kuwait to Khor Fakkan (top to bottom of Arabian Gulf)....a dangerous trade at that time !
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Ringing the bell was a old sailing ship tradition. mainly used for calling the watch smoko meals end of day etc. Now everyone has watches it is no longer required.Also Qm went out in the 60s as part of the cost cutting.The ships bell on the forecastle had to be 10 inchs across at the base. and is part of the rule of the road ie anchor bell in fog or aground.
The small bridge bell was hung just outside the bridge door. there was a little overhang from the monkey island and it was hung there.
That is very helpfull thank you.
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BP Shipping Ltd sold Border Castle to Relay Maritime Inc (Gulf Shipping Lines) in 1981.
In those years it wasn't uncommon to have an engraved brass bell close to the manoeuving station in the engineroom. This being rung at the end of each watch. Another possibility ?
m.v. Five Brooks appears to have been shuttling cargoes from Kuwait to Khor Fakkan (top to bottom of Arabian Gulf)....a dangerous trade at that time !
All very good information and very welcome.
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I sailed on the Border Chieftan, which I believe was a sister ship to the Castle, for four months in 1976, a few months after she was taken over by BP.

I have very fond memories of that ship. The accomodation was lovely, with wood panelling if I remember correctly, and the R/Os cabin was one of the biggest I'd ever experienced.

I can't remember where the bells were on this ship. I think there was one on the bridge, but I also think we had one in the Bar as well.

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Old 5th November 2013, 14:28
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I sailed on the Border Chieftan, which I believe was a sister ship to the Castle, for four months in 1976, a few months after she was taken over by BP.

I have very fond memories of that ship. The accomodation was lovely, with wood panelling if I remember correctly, and the R/Os cabin was one of the biggest I'd ever experienced.

I can't remember where the bells were on this ship. I think there was one on the bridge, but I also think we had one in the Bar as well.

Bob
thanks Bob the Border Castle's bell has a good home now! great to hear that the Border ships were up to the mark!
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Old 5th November 2013, 20:50
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Border ships were Old Borders (16,000DWT) and New Borders (19500DWT.)
OLD :- Regiment, Keep, Lass, Hunter, Fusilier, Minstrel, Reiver, Laird, Sentinel and Terrier. Built between 1953 and 1956
NEW:- Shepard, Pele, Castle, Falcon, Chieftain. Built between 1960 and 1962
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Border ships were Old Borders (16,000DWT) and New Borders (19500DWT.)
OLD :- Regiment, Keep, Lass, Hunter, Fusilier, Minstrel, Reiver, Laird, Sentinel and Terrier. Built between 1953 and 1956
NEW:- Shepard, Pele, Castle, Falcon, Chieftain. Built between 1960 and 1962
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Remember me Jim Humes Cadet Training Officer Common Bros
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Remember me Jim Humes Cadet Training Officer Common Bros
Yes I certainly do. Good to hear from you..... alot of ships gone by since those really good times with a cracking company... Only remember you at Bamburgh House, were you there at Exchange Buildings ? Good to see names from the past occasionally appear.!
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I joined the Border Castle, before it was finished at Swan Hunters, just after leaving school. I sailed on the maiden voyage from March 1960 to February 1961 as a Deck apprentice. I think the bell you have is from the foc'stle.

On New years Eve 1961 at midnight the skipper ordered me to go forward and ring 12( I think) bells on this bell.The weather was atrocious, and as it was an all aft ship, it was a long way to the foc'stle. The crew had been winding me up all day about this tradition and I thought they were kidding until midnight came, and away I had to go.
The weather was that bad no-one would have been able to hear anyway.
Thank you for reminding me of this memory.
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Hi TonyM,
Brings back memories. I was an apprentice on the Border Castle in 1963/64 and have fond memories of ringing the ships bell. We were in Portland Maine for New Year 63/64, most of the lads were ashore. I stayed aboard (you had to be 21 to drink in Maine and I was 18), 'twas frigid cold and the captain gave me a tot of his personal brandy and sent me up to the focsle to ring the bell thirteen times. We were carrying Um Said crude which was heated to around 120f to keep it viscous. The ship was wreathed in mist which rapidly became a freezing fog. I often wondered what the bell sounded like coming out of the cloud!
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