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  #151  
Old 24th October 2017, 17:05
George Bis George Bis is offline
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Hi Andy,
Good luck with the seagoing memories. I did mine a couple of years ago and it certainly brought back memories. When I went ashore I felt that I should look forward, not backwards and it is only now that I am retired, with the aid of the internet that I can delve into the past. I found it fascinating what happened to my old ships after they were sold. For example the Sugar Importer became the Lucky Importer of Panama. Owners Inter Bulk Inc. At least they only had to change "Sugar" to "Lucky"
I have never managed to get much interest in this from my family. Perhaps we should start a "Writers Club " thread on S.N. It might work quite well as many of the members can really write !

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Old 24th October 2017, 22:35
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Hi George, thanks for response. Yes, I think you get to an age when you start looking back over what has happened in your earlier life! I feel that we were really lucky to have been at sea in what was the final days of the 'old' more 'traditional' seagoing industry! I stayed at sea until the mid-1990's and was lucky enough to have a go at being in command of a vessel before coming ashore and remaining in shipping for the whole of my working life.
My final role involved visiting ships and working with seafarers on board hence I still got a 'buzz' from being involved but was able to return to my family after a short time so I fell got the both of both worlds!
My jottings are primarily for my own enjoyment and it's great to try to remember and, in particular, the characters I was fortunate to sail with.
Happy days. Andy
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Old 25th October 2017, 08:53
Stu01234 Stu01234 is offline
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Good day to you! Well, this is really weird...! Now I'm retired (best job I've ever had!!) I'm writing down some of my seagoing memories since the 1970's seems such a long time ago now! I was today jotting a few notes down about my time at Fleetwood where I studied both Second Mates and Mates! The 'Del Ritz' has loads of memories and I stayed there for both college phases for 2nd Mates. What a dump it was although we had some brilliant times there in spite of the place! Cold, damp and the food was appalling! I remember we got a coach to take us/return us to/from college every day, although during Phase III I had a mate (Texaco cadet!) who had a 'suped-up' Mini Cooper which we used most days although it nearly always needed to be bump started as he could afford a new battery/alternator!
If I remember correctly a Mr Rowlie was the college warden there and I had to call him early one morning since I was stranded in Burnley without the bus fare to get back to Blackpool! A long story involving a local lass and a walk up Pendle Hill at Halloween which ended in A&E in Burnley - I never went out with her again!
Yes, Knocker Finch was a real character. Other lecturers I remember were; Captain Lahiri, Captain (Spiny) Norman, Mr Rivers-Bland, Mr Hunt and or weekly trip to Cleveleys College as we had to do a lesson which I guess was the equivalent of General Studies today - we tried to learn the guitar. A complete waste of time!
Did you do your time with Sugar Line? I'm trying to remember cadets names without much success!
Cheers, Andy

Its funny how some memories come back easy, but many others forgotten. Those names you mentioned all familiar, but I can't put a face to some. I can't think what Rivers Bland looked like. I can picture Hunt a bit though. Another one we used to have for Navigation, I can picture him a bit, but no name yet.

Del Rita - Yes a bit of a dump, but some decent memories as well. The sneaking out after lights out. Getting caught. The lectures on getting caught. The girls from the Carlton, the nightclubs, Trader Jacks. Also Brian London's club.

The Cleveleys phase, 1977, the floods, having to move out for a while.

Some college things. The Lancastrian. Knott End sailing. Some lake near the college for sailing, and finding a stash of porn photos dumped by the lake. Liverpool for the exams. High rise Seamans mission near Pier Head at Liverpool.

I ended my time with Tate and Lyle in 1979. Sailed for a while as 3rd mate after cadet, then went with Manchester Liners for a year, then finished completely in 1980.
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Old 25th October 2017, 20:45
George Bis George Bis is offline
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Good day to you! Well, this is really weird...! Now I'm retired (best job I've ever had!!) I'm writing down some of my seagoing memories since the 1970's seems such a long time ago now! I was today jotting a few notes down about my time at Fleetwood where I studied both Second Mates and Mates! The 'Del Ritz' has loads of memories and I stayed there for both college phases for 2nd Mates. What a dump it was although we had some brilliant times there in spite of the place! Cold, damp and the food was appalling! I remember we got a coach to take us/return us to/from college every day, although during Phase III I had a mate (Texaco cadet!) who had a 'suped-up' Mini Cooper which we used most days although it nearly always needed to be bump started as he could afford a new battery/alternator!
If I remember correctly a Mr Rowlie was the college warden there and I had to call him early one morning since I was stranded in Burnley without the bus fare to get back to Blackpool! A long story involving a local lass and a walk up Pendle Hill at Halloween which ended in A&E in Burnley - I never went out with her again!
Yes, Knocker Finch was a real character. Other lecturers I remember were; Captain Lahiri, Captain (Spiny) Norman, Mr Rivers-Bland, Mr Hunt and or weekly trip to Cleveleys College as we had to do a lesson which I guess was the equivalent of General Studies today - we tried to learn the guitar. A complete waste of time!
Did you do your time with Sugar Line? I'm trying to remember cadets names without much success!
Cheers, Andy
I was at Fleetwood Collage in 1975 for about 6/8 weeks doing a resit for Master H.T.
My strongest memory was when the Master F.G. & H.T. classes were taken out to sea on a training vessel to "swing the ship" and adjust compasses.
Sadly the violent rolling of this former fishing boat had a sad effect on the class and about two third of us were sea sick!
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Old 25th October 2017, 20:59
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I was at Fleetwood Collage in 1975 for about 6/8 weeks doing a resit for Master H.T.
My strongest memory was when the Master F.G. & H.T. classes were taken out to sea on a training vessel to "swing the ship" and adjust compasses.
Sadly the violent rolling of this former fishing boat had a sad effect on the class and about two third of us were sea sick!
Hello George, judging by your description I think the vessel may well have been the LANCASTRIAN!
Unless you had a cast iron constitution (or were a serving fisherman!) this vessel had the same effect on just about everyone! We did a 'navigation exercise' to Piel Island off Barrow and we were all sick as dogs whilst in transit to/from the estuary. Stood me in good stead when I joined NERC after leaving Sugar Line - my next vessel after SUGAR CARRIER was RRS JOHN MURRAY - a converted stern trawler at 230GRT!
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Old 25th October 2017, 22:14
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Hello George, judging by your description I think the vessel may well have been the LANCASTRIAN!
Unless you had a cast iron constitution (or were a serving fisherman!) this vessel had the same effect on just about everyone! We did a 'navigation exercise' to Piel Island off Barrow and we were all sick as dogs whilst in transit to/from the estuary. Stood me in good stead when I joined NERC after leaving Sugar Line - my next vessel after SUGAR CARRIER was RRS JOHN MURRAY - a converted stern trawler at 230GRT!
Lancastrian does ring a bell.
Glad that it wasn't just us that suffered but for a Combined Masters Class it took some living down!
Strangely before I went to sea I did a lot of small boat sailing on the Gareloch/Clyde and never even thought of being sick.

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Old 21st November 2018, 19:54
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Was shanghaied on suger Importer 6month circumnavigation in 1971 even sailed through typhoon Trix on the way to Korea, a voyage from hell,if there's anyone reading this who was on that trip I'd love to have a chat,one of my ship mates was a guy called George Bett from Middlesbrough, God we had some fun,,,R888302,Kel,
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Old 21st November 2018, 21:24
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Would just like to add a few memories of the voyage from hell on the Sugar Importer, shanghaied from the pool in Middlesbrough,we worked by in South Shields for a week then sailed to Zeebrugge for stores and Bunker's,then off we went thinking our trip was her regular run to Jamaica salt river n Savana lemar,,think that's how it's spelled,,the 1st Port of call was Quebec for a cargo of Asbestos,, yep Asbestos in Hessian cloth sacks,then there was a dock strike for 4 weeks,sad thing was us young'ns couldn't get a beer ashore you had to be 21 to have a drink ,then topped up cargo in Halifax then Port Hawksberry Nova Scotia Scotia,that's when it all went down hill, the 3rd mate stabbed an AB in Halifax then another AB lost a hand when a boom crushed it in a saddle and still we didn't know where we where sailing to,it was agonizing not nowing,so after a jolly through the Panama canal we ended up in the middle of the Pacific and at one point we broke down and drifted for a day and we still weren't told where were going, all in all we ended up in Korea, Pusan then Inchon,so off we go again to Australia Bunderberg then M'cay,now the big problem started,crew men where getting filled in in there cabins all about over time on deck,eventually they ended up in the owners cabin for the rest of the voyage,so the plot thickens having got Stores and bunkers in Cape town we all thought we had got over the I'll fated voyage but that wasn't to be,we run out of food and drinks 2days before docking in Silver town,,when we finally docked at 5.30am we couldn't get off that ship quick enough, we all turned out to help tie up so we got a Minni bus to the local dockside pub,,so by now you can imagine what state of mind the crew where in,,now the plot thickens,, the chief steward organised a collection of food to pick from Tate and Lyle canteen to make breakfast for owners and other guests, so !!!as we were walking down the jetty full of the joys of paying off the lad in front of me tripped on a plank his bread tray immediately ended up on the jetty floor so as all ship mates do we followed his lead then one after another we ditched the whole lot on the jetty,it was a wonderful feeling seeing all that grub ditched,,, you should of seen the faces on the cook,chief Stewart n 2nd steward,,,but alas it back fireer and we all got logged 2days in the pay off queue,I still to this day good thinking of all that grub on the jetty,, I'd love to hear from anyone that was on Sugar Importers voyage from hell,thanks for reading this ship mates,
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Old 25th November 2018, 20:03
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Sounds a desperate voyage. I was on her two years later which was interesting but not that bad.
She Magregor hatches were the strangest/most dangerous I ever met and I was just thankful no one fell down a hold.
Can you remember who the Captain was?

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Old 26th May 2019, 14:26
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just to introduce myself,name is Jim Robertson retired in 2000 after 44 years at sea enjoying every second of it.When I read some of the threads all the memories keep flooding back.My sea career started in 1956 first sailing on the DM Taranaki, Coptic and a few other motor ships in the Shaw Savill fleet until 1966 when Joined
Sugar Line where I had many happy memories and sailed with some great characters.In my twelve years with them I sailed on nearly all their ships starting off on the Sugar Cube and ending up on the newer ones. A lot of the old ships were workhouses for us engineers but they were happy ships.Left them just before all the fleet were sold and joined Everards for the rest of my seagoing.
I would like to send my regards to any Sugar Line survivors who I used to know
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Old 26th May 2019, 16:26
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Hi Jim
I did my first trip to sea on Sugar Exporter
The Ch/eng was Vincent guibarra thin thats the correct spelling no doubt someone will correct me.
I think we ended up doing 6on 6 off to cope with all the breakdows glad it was only Trinidad and back, 10 years after I had never sailed on a ship that had as many breakdowns ,they say the first trip is make or break experience
Regards Keith.
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Old 26th May 2019, 17:32
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just to introduce myself,name is Jim Robertson retired in 2000 after 44 years at sea enjoying every second of it.When I read some of the threads all the memories keep flooding back.My sea career started in 1956 first sailing on the DM Taranaki, Coptic and a few other motor ships in the Shaw Savill fleet until 1966 when Joined
Sugar Line where I had many happy memories and sailed with some great characters.In my twelve years with them I sailed on nearly all their ships starting off on the Sugar Cube and ending up on the newer ones. A lot of the old ships were workhouses for us engineers but they were happy ships.Left them just before all the fleet were sold and joined Everards for the rest of my seagoing.
I would like to send my regards to any Sugar Line survivors who I used to know
Hello Jim, I think we may have sailed together at some point! Did my time with Sugar Line between 1974 and 1978 and left them after doing a spell as 2nd Mate on Sugar Carrier which was then about 3 or 4 years old!
I joined as uncert. 3rd Mate having just done second mates and was promoted to 2nd Mate when Ted Houghton paid off sick in Taiwan! As I hadn't got my actual ticket, Sugar Line applied to the then Department of Transport who gave me a dispensation!
Did 10 months on the ship and had a ball! However, the writing was on the wall as far as sugar cargoes went and the Company was trading to a lot of Persian Gulf ports which wasn't for me!
Cheers, Andy
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Old 26th May 2019, 19:45
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Hi Jim, just wondered if you were a 2/E and lived in Chester? If so I was 3/M on the Sugar Trader with you.
George Bisacre
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