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Old 23rd September 2014, 09:14
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G'day boys couple of bosuns you mention I knew but didn't sail with.
Except one M brabander i am sure wasn't it his stepson or relative who dropped the Derrick on his fingers? We heard the hard sod chased him around the deck before he went to the doc.
When I joined blueys deck school Denis O'Brien was the bosun instructor for the six weeks I was there a great man.when he took us for lifeboat drill in the dock he told us we were going to the other side of a bridge no way we could get under,so he told us pull the drain plug from the boat we got under with half a boat full of water!!!! And soaking legs. Mr Greenwood did me a favour by getting me a berth on the Neleus bound for Aussie so I could bring two tea chests out for my brother who had just emigrated plus saving him a fortune in shipping cost another good man.
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Dunny,
That Denis O'Brien knew a thing or two about lifeboats.
He was six days in an open boat after the Anchises was bombed and sunk in the Atlantic.
Here is an excerpt from the citation when he was awarded the British Empire Medal for his bravery.


For his conduct in taking charge of an open boat for six days:
O'Brien, Denis John - Able Seaman, BEM (CIV)
Citation for Denis John O'Brien:
"The ship was hit by bombs and had to be abandoned. Boats were lowered and ordered to lie to their sea anchors.

'One of the boats became separated from the rest, and was at sea for six days in heavy weather. On the second day the officer in charge died and Able Seaman O'Brien found himself senior survivor. He sailed and organised the boat until rescued, showing courage, seamanship and resource throughout.'


Ungazetted award by Lloyd's
O'Brien, Denis John - Able Seaman Lloyd's Bravery Medal.


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Old 23rd September 2014, 09:22
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Oh yes Hugh it was very strict health and safety in those long gone days in fact could you imagine a health and safety chap walking around with derricks flying all over the place and us lot in boots and shorts and if we were lucky we might have a pair of gloves he would have had a heart attack just a thought I remember again this was when I was in Agapenor some of the lads had clusters over the side when we where working cargo at anchor in Java and they where catching sea snakes , I well remember the male nurse saying " I don't know if those snakes are poisonous because if they are and someone gets bitten I won't be able to do anything golden days indeed regards to all hands
Not a hard hat in sight! I love this photo; the best I ever took. (m.v.Stentor, homeward Jan.1947, two days out of Singapore.)
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I found him to be a pleasant man Pat the sort who had the welfare of the men foremost in his mind , I remember going into the Birkenhead office and I believe if my memory serves there was a blue funnel imprinted in the floor of the main entrance and wasn't his office on the left as you walked in and why this comes to mind i dont know I think I was checked over by the doctor in a room to the right I believe again we are going back to close onto 50 years since I was last there so forgive me if I,m of course in any way best regards Dave .
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Old 23rd September 2014, 10:08
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I found him to be a pleasant man Pat the sort who had the welfare of the men foremost in his mind , I remember going into the Birkenhead office and I believe if my memory serves there was a blue funnel imprinted in the floor of the main entrance and wasn't his office on the left as you walked in and why this comes to mind i dont know I think I was checked over by the doctor in a room to the right I believe again we are going back to close onto 50 years since I was last there so forgive me if I,m of course in any way best regards Dave .
Quite correct Dave. You entered the building through an imposing double doorway , up a few steps into a waiting area with an ornate AH design on the floor, I seem to recall it was a large compass rose. Mr Greenwood's office was to the left and the doctor's office/examination room to the right. This was where any pre voyage innoculations were dispensed.
Further along the corridor was the catering superintendant's office. His name was Mr Sparrow and he dealt with crewing for the catering side.
In 1980, long after my seagoing career was over, I got a job with a company who had office space in Odyssey Works. Blue Funnel was long gone although some of the janitorial staff were still employed there.
I found myself working in an office on the same corridor, and walked over the AH floor design every day for a couple of years. A strange feeling.
Ive attached a photo which may bring memories into focus Dave, the doorway in question is the one by the grey bin.
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Old 23rd September 2014, 11:09
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Birkenhead stevedores could do some wonderful things with stowage. I have often seen hundreds of long steel girders loaded into the lower hold and be finished off as a perfectly smooth and level 'dance floor' with no gaps.
One 'H' class loaded in Liverpool, a very large launch was stowed in #2 upper tween deck per floating crane and a couple of bull wires with strategically placed snatch blocks.
It sat snug in the tween deck all the way to Sydney.
When the Aussie wharfies came to discharge it, they couldnt figure out how the hell the poms had got it int the tween deck and eventually had to get a burner with a gas axe to remove a steel column so they could get it out.

As to a steel girder longer than the lower hold, maybe it was stowed on a port to starboard angle and posibly canted upward as well.

Here is a photo from the SN gallery courtesy of Plainsman, of long steel being loaded by quayside crane into #4 hatch on Harrison's Administrator in Birkenhead
Its possible I was actually driving the crane in this picture, as it was my regular crane for a while
Pat you must have loaded steel or steel pipes longer than the hatch that just fitted down below.I know I have,you had a long chain one end and a short one the other with pieces of dunnage in between sling and pipe,crude and dangerous but it worked!
I did hit the edge of the hatch one night in the dark and the pipe shot down the ships alley way and scattered all hands having a smoke.
I never heard the last of that one.
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Old 23rd September 2014, 12:10
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Pat you must have loaded steel or steel pipes longer than the hatch that just fitted down below.I know I have,you had a long chain one end and a short one the other with pieces of dunnage in between sling and pipe,crude and dangerous but it worked!
I did hit the edge of the hatch one night in the dark and the pipe shot down the ships alley way and scattered all hands having a smoke.
I never heard the last of that one.
Yes Mick, many a time picked up long steel or pipes slung at a precarious angle, but always managed to get them down the hatch safely.
It was odd though that every time we loaded board slings of cases of whisky, at least one sling would manage to strike the tween deck coaming and spill a case or two out!
Do you remember the shouts of 'Paddy Kelly' whenever the dock police were spotted approaching the ship?
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Old 23rd September 2014, 13:55
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Oddy Works - Pat, the small building on the right, wasn't that the canteen? When I was there, Daggy was on the second floor and the third floor had been the radar school. We had tech lectures from Daggy on a Tuesday night. He always made sure that they ran late enough for us to have to make a mad dash to the pub before last orders!

I assume Pat that you worked in the loft where they did liferafts etc. It was rented out and I cannot remember the name of the company. Between the workshop and that building, cadets were employed "sectioning" and old steam engine which was to be displayed. I managed to escape to Nestor up in Loch Striven!
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Old 23rd September 2014, 16:40
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Oddy Works - Pat, the small building on the right, wasn't that the canteen? When I was there, Daggy was on the second floor and the third floor had been the radar school. We had tech lectures from Daggy on a Tuesday night. He always made sure that they ran late enough for us to have to make a mad dash to the pub before last orders!

I assume Pat that you worked in the loft where they did liferafts etc. It was rented out and I cannot remember the name of the company. Between the workshop and that building, cadets were employed "sectioning" and old steam engine which was to be displayed. I managed to escape to Nestor up in Loch Striven!
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Dave, I think the building with the radar antennas on the roof was to the left of the rigging loft. That building did have engineering classrooms as well as deck training rooms.
Ive attached a view of that building.
The one I worked in, in the 1980s was in the same building as Mr Greenwood's office. It was for a company called Mareguard International, a subsidiary of Sabre Safety, a firm which manufactures compressed air breathing apparatus at a large factory in Ash, Hants.
Mareguard supplied this equipment to the marine industry, including Blue Funnel.
I was employed, after suitable training,( sitting next to a gorgeous blonde in the factory for a month), as a service engineer, and enjoyed a couple of years, based in Odyssey Works, travelling to ships all over the UK and Northern Europe, servicing the on board safety equipment.
A nice job until the a*** fell out of shipping in 1983
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Old 23rd September 2014, 17:25
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Yes, thats it Pat. There was access to a benchwork workshop located above the main workshop and the classroom above. In the workshop on the right hand side going in was the mankiest lathe on earth which you had to use to make test pieces with very strict tolerances. All the tools were clapped out too but the idea was that you were onboard ship and had no other resources but those at hand.
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Old 23rd September 2014, 19:37
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Not a hard hat in sight! I love this photo; the best I ever took. (m.v.Stentor, homeward Jan.1947, two days out of Singapore.)
Hugh Re the photo you took of the two deck crew on the Stentor,the man on the right is Doug Jardine, he was my wifes ex father in law Doug worked in the riggingloft at Odessey works.Do any other ex Blueys remember him .Dougs son, another Doug went down below as he was colour blind, he did a few trips on the Bowater boats,sadly he passed away earlier this year.
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Old 23rd September 2014, 22:21
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I have been trawling BF sites quite heavily today after checking the cattle and other things. There are lists of A class, D class, M class and Super Ps, but where does a ship like the Glenogle fit in? M class, I sailed on Menestheus, I remember her well, but the Glenogle had a bulbous bow and other things. Being picky, but what class was she? Lovely to do a trip on, I must have done later trips than I thought, I "missed" the Melampus on her lock in trip when BR lost my luggage (and looted it, the bastards), then did the Glenogle trip, we saw the Priam Super P on her maiden voyage ( I have a photo somewhere, must dig it out), then that was it for me.
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Old 23rd September 2014, 22:39
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John,
The Super P's were my favourites as a boy. However, it was quite something for this first tripper crossing Biscay! They woul roll in a photograph! My Dad sailed on both D's and M's and during his time at Odyssey Works probably worked on every existent class (early 50's). Anyone remeber old Pops Blakemore at Odyssey - He stopped me on my first day and told me he had sailed with my Grandfather in the war (who eventually ended up in Milag Nord).
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Old 24th September 2014, 06:56
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[QUOTE=Farmer John;1067873]I have been trawling BF sites quite heavily today , but where does a ship like the Glenogle fit in? the Glenogle had a bulbous bow and other things. Being picky, but what class was she? Lovely to do a trip
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Glenogle, Glenlyon, Flintshire and one other I can't remember. Four beautiful ships, and you're right, lovely to do a trip. I did about 6 on Glenogle, regular as clockwork out of KGV via Capetown to Penang, coasting all around far east and back via Trinco and Colombo. Three months trip, one month leave while she coasted around UK then back for another pleasure cruise. Classic ships, great crews and amazing runs. Oh that I could turn back the clock
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Further to mine #38, think the 4th Glen boat was Glenfalloch
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The super P,s I take it where the ones built in the 60,s ,I was in Perseus and Pyrrhus as we all know there was also Peleus the Christmas ship and also Patroculos what where they know as and however pretty the knew P,s where I think the old ones took some beating for style and elegance regards to all hands Dave .
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Dave,
The Old Fellah's ship was Dolius. He took her out new. From what he has mentioned, he sailed on Demodocus and Menestheus too (the mid/late 50's ones). I used to pore over the H&W opposed piston engine drawings as a kid and wonder at the Roots blower! I suppose marine engineering was in my blood. My Grandad was on the previous Patroclus when she was sunk by a U-Boat off Ireland.
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Old 24th September 2014, 16:48
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Hugh Re the photo you took of the two deck crew on the Stentor,the man on the right is Doug Jardine, he was my wifes ex father in law Doug worked in the riggingloft at Odessey works.Do any other ex Blueys remember him .Dougs son, another Doug went down below as he was colour blind, he did a few trips on the Bowater boats,sadly he passed away earlier this year

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I don't think I ever knew their names: we never used names in those days it was always rank. The guy on the left was "Lamps", a scoucer, and on the right was always addressed as "Bose", a Glaswegian, who frequently dropped in on us maddies, after work, usually to spin us a lurid yarn about a trip to Japan!
But this voyage was to Australia which was a long old haul for that worn out old coal-burner in which I made 4 voyages; middy and later 3rd mate.

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Old 24th September 2014, 18:42
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Thanks Hugh for the info.As I have posted before I was not considered Blue Funnel material as I left Aberdovey with the report that my second best efforts let me down I have posted before why.I take this opportunity to ask any Blue Funnel men do they remember my cousin Derek Roberts who lost his life in an accident aboard a Blue funnel ship in Glasgow in the late 60s.Derek was from Ruthin and is buried at Llanrhydd church Ruthin.
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That Denis O'Brien knew a thing or two about lifeboats.
He was six days in an open boat after the Anchises was bombed and sunk in the Atlantic.
Here is an excerpt from the citation when he was awarded the British Empire Medal for his bravery.


For his conduct in taking charge of an open boat for six days:
O'Brien, Denis John - Able Seaman, BEM (CIV)
Citation for Denis John O'Brien:
"The ship was hit by bombs and had to be abandoned. Boats were lowered and ordered to lie to their sea anchors.

'One of the boats became separated from the rest, and was at sea for six days in heavy weather. On the second day the officer in charge died and Able Seaman O'Brien found himself senior survivor. He sailed and organised the boat until rescued, showing courage, seamanship and resource throughout.'


Ungazetted award by Lloyd's
O'Brien, Denis John - Able Seaman Lloyd's Bravery Medal.


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Thanks for that info on D O'Brien Pat.I had only known him for that six weeks and not once did he talk about his war tales,probably didn't think he had too.
That's the kind of man he was I suppose a tough seaman and full of courage.
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Thanks for that info on D O'Brien Pat.I had only known him for that six weeks and not once did he talk about his war tales,probably didn't think he had too.
That's the kind of man he was I suppose a tough seaman and full of courage.
Cheers DUNNY.
No, he never spoke about them to us either. It was only when I got away to sea that I learned of his history.
No doubt you recall his demonstration of wire splicing? It was like a conjuring trick. Once he had the first tuck inserted, in went the spike, and then a quick whirl of movement, and he'd run it in to five or six tucks. He could put an eye splice in a gal wire in about three minutes flat from start to finish.
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The super P,s I take it where the ones built in the 60,s ,I was in Perseus and Pyrrhus as we all know there was also Peleus the Christmas ship and also Patroculos what where they know as and however pretty the knew P,s where I think the old ones took some beating for style and elegance regards to all hands Dave .
No Durango - the Super Ps were named Priam, Peisander, Prometheus and Protesilaus - the last mentioned distinguished by being the worst Bluie I sailed on.

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No Durango - the Super Ps were named Priam, Peisander, Prometheus and Protesilaus - the last mentioned distinguished by being the worst Bluie I sailed on.

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The full class was:
Blueys -
Priam
Peisander
Protesilaus
Prometheus

All having been built in British yards.

The Glens were-
Glenfinlas/Phemius
Radnorshire/Perseus
Pembrokeshire/Phrontis
Glenalmond/Patroclus
Both built by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, Nagasaki.

Glenalmond was the first ready to go into service but Holts had to pay MHI to delay the launch in order to get Priam into the bath first. The british vessels were all delivered late.

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The full class was:
Blueys -
Priam
Peisander
Protesilaus
Prometheus
Phemius
Perseus
All having been built in British yards.

The Glens were-
Pembrokeshire/Phrontis
Glenalmond/Patroclus
Both built by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, Nagasaki.

Glenalmond was the first ready to go into service but Holts had to pay MHI to delay the launch in order to get Priam into the bath first. The british vessels were all delivered late.

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Are you saying Dave that there was a Perseus built after the one that I sailed in on the express service to Japan back in 1962 best regards Dave
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Are you saying Dave that there was a Perseus built after the one that I sailed in on the express service to Japan back in 1962 best regards Dave
Yes, Dave. Brief history of each below (Ack. Red Duster):

PERSEUS (3) was built in 1950 by Vickers Armstrong Ltd at Newcastle with a tonnage of 10109grt, a length of 515ft 6in a beam of 68ft 4in and a service speed of 18.5 knots. Sister of the Peleus she was launched on 22nd October 1949 and delivered to the China Mutual Steam Navigation Co. on 4th April 1950. Commencing her maiden voyage on 21st April 1950 she had an uneventful career with the company until 5th January 1973 when she arrived at Kaohsiung where she was broken up.


PERSEUS (4) was built in 1967 by Vickers Armstrong Ltd at Newcastle with a tonnage of 12094grt, a length of 563ft 10in, a beam of 77ft 11in and a service speed of 21 knots. Sister of the Priam she was completed for Glen Line as the Radnorshire. In 1973 she was transferred to the China Navigation Co. and renamed Perseus. After only eleven years with the Holt Group she was sold to John Swire's China Navigation Co., a company in which Holt's had a substantial interest, and renamed Kwangsi. Three years later, in 1981, she was sold to undisclosed owners and renamed Asia Dragon with registry in Panama. Shortly afterwards she was sold on to the Saudi Venture Corporation of Jeddah, later to be restyled Saudi Falcon Navigation Co., and renamed Saudi ZamZam. Two years later, in 1984, she was sold to Chinese shipbreakers.

There was even another Perseus, albeit Barber Perseus:

BARBER PERSEUS was built in 1984 by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries at Nagasaki, Japan with a tonnage of 21747grt, a length of 749ft 7in, a beam of 105ft 10in and a service speed of 20.5 knots. Sister of the Barber Priam she was launched on 7th February 1979 and delivered in the following June to Speakshaw Ltd with Ocean Fleets as managers. She was later transferred to Barber Menelaus Shipping Corp. of Panama, Blue Funnel having become a flag of convenience operation. In 1985 ownership was recorded as being Perseus Shipping Ltd of Panama. In 1987 she briefly returned to the British registry albeit at Douglas in the Isle of Man. Blue Funnel pulled out of the Barber Blue Sea consortium in 1988 and, as a result, sold the Barber Perseus to one of the other partners, Wallenius Wilhelmsen Lines AB of Stockholm, with whom she traded as the Talabot. The vessel was delivered to Changjiang Shipbreaking Yard at Jiangyin, China on 23 April 2009.

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Perseus, Pyrrhus, Peleus & Patroclus were 4 of a kind (class) as were Neleus and Theseus.

Save for Pyrrhus sailed on all of them either coasting or voyage.

Favourite of all was the "A" class Autolycus, followed by the "H" class Hector. 7 voyages on Autolycus

Oh for just more trip as it used to be - what would we all give up to do it all just one more time.

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