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Old 24th April 2010, 09:59
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Chief Engineers & 2nd Eng's we sailed with

We seem to hear a lot about Masters etc, but never any of the other ranks who all go to make up a ship's officers compliment who are essential to the safe operation of the vessel, so we all have picked enough holes in Masters so lets have a go at the other ranks.

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Old 24th April 2010, 10:52
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Old 24th April 2010, 17:59
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Chief Engineers I Have Sailed With.....

"Fleetbank" (1953-1955) Bob Reid;
"Inchanga" (1958-1960) and "Roybank" (1966-1967) Fred Gibbons from Durban(Commodore Chief Engineer);
"Carronbank" (1960-1962) Bob Christie from Dundee;

All outstanding gentlemen and well thought-of by their engineers. There are several others whose names escape me at the moment, but no doubt my former shipmates can remind me. Outstanding Second Engineers include: Peter Arrowsmith and Stan Sweeney.

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Old 24th April 2010, 18:52
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The first to come to my mind. Joe Hanover C/E, Jim Cairns 2/E, Willy Thompson 3/E, Ricky Cooper 4/E, Brain Hill 5/E, Len Pritchard Lecky. Inverbank2 1962/63. Ian Blackburn 2/E and Ron Knowles Lecky, Forresbank, 1965/66. All first rate guys to sail with.
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Old 24th April 2010, 19:08
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RP Clunas, QE. WBT Blue, Canton. H Jeffery, Canton. W Goatley, Iberia. V Cutlack, Good Hope Castle. Every one of them were gentlemen. Some of them even spoke to juniors.

Sorry just realised that this is Bank Line and not MN.

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Old 24th April 2010, 19:18
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The first to come to my mind. Joe Hanover C/E, Jim Cairns 2/E, Willy Thompson 3/E, Ricky Cooper 4/E, Brain Hill 5/E, Len Pritchard Lecky. Inverbank2 1962/63. Ian Blackburn 2/E and Ron Knowles Lecky, Forresbank, 1965/66. All first rate guys to sail with.
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Old 24th April 2010, 20:47
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I think "boatlarnie" will agree, the Australian 2nd Engineer Kevin Habbin on the 1964 built Irisbank was superb
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Old 24th April 2010, 20:56
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About the only black mark about Bankline that I can remember was the second engineer on the Sprucebank in 1967.
Chief was Bill Harcus from Edinburgh and his wife.
Second was Pakistani and appeared not to fit. He was nicknamed Snowball, behind his back, if I remember rightly and didn't last further than Sydney. He spent most of his time in his cabin and didn't socialise. Not well regarded by the other engineers if I remember. It was extremely unusual to have a non-white officer at that time. I believe the situation wasn't helped by the crew being Indian I think. I seem to remember trying to be friendly but being quite sharply rebuffed.
When he left third and fourth were bumped up and a new fourth joined in Sydney by the name of John Horne.
The new second bumped from third was Arthur Taylor from Shields.
The rest were Larry Heskett from Sunderland (4th then 3rd)
Davy McCully from Glasgow as 5th, Terry Ralph from Watford as 6th, Arnie Jones from Liverpool as Lekky with Brian Reid from Christchurch (NZ) as 2nd. Brian paid off in Sydney and I've unfortunately not noted the name of his replacement although I have a feeling he wasn't replaced.

Weirbank ('69, '70 and '71) Chief was Allan with his wife and he was Aussie.
He was replaced by Rod Coates and his wife Suzanne when we got to Oz.
Then they left in the UK and Bob East joined.
Rod and his wife joined in quite a bit but I don't remember Bob East at all. Can't remember Allan's name but I seem to remember that his wife had a tendency to mother us a bit.
Second on the first trip was John Ravenscroft who was replaced by Don Jackson for the second trip.
3rd was John Paterson, 4th was Stan Beveridge who paid off in Panama because of a family bereavement so Pat Piesley who was 5th was bumped as was Tony Horsfall who was 6th. We got a new 6th Russ Blinco in Sydney. Lekkies were Iain Duncan and John Dougal.
2nd trip the 3rd was John Paterson and the rest the same until we got back to Sydney when Russ Blinco was paid off and replaced by Matthews whose first name eludes me at the moment. Lekkies were John Grieve and Don Matheson.

Sprucebank in 71/72 the Chief was Pike and his wife. Another mothering type.
Second was Jim Fowler.
3rd for the coast was Bobby Churchill, replaced by Dave Thornberry for the trip.
4th was Carl Mayl, 5th John Watkins and 6th Mike (Yakky) John.
Lekkies were Bobby Moffat and Billy (Petal) Coates.

Quite a few of them are pictured in my gallery and, apart from the first hiccough on the Sprucebank, were a great bunch of lads.
Boy did we have some fun.

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Any of you Bank Line men remember Brian Oliver? married an Australian Girl. Hard grafter in the Engineroom when it was called for.
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ettrickbank ,2years far east run,the chief was from ceylon,had his wife and little daughter with him,perfect gentleman,having a few slides printed next week ,so will be able to post a photo of him and a couple of others going ashore in the company launch in Hongkong.

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Old 25th April 2010, 09:55
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Not Bank line, but the best Chief and Second I ever sailed with were George Morton and Tommy Williams of Radcliffes Cardiff. I also sailed with some pigs as well, their names have been forgotten.
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Old 25th April 2010, 11:22
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How could I ever forget my good friend, Fred Sharpe Chief Eng, Teakbank1965Poor Fred spent most of his time complaining to me about, ''those ruddy chipping hammers Mate'', but he was such a lovable old sod, I did'nt mind. Then there was T C McComb Chief Eng, Foylebank 1964, a real Gentleman ,Alan Smith Chief Eng, Laganbank 1961, a young fun loving Australian, always the life of a party, had his pretty wife with him that trip.I dont recall sailing on a Bankboat where I heard an Engineer whinge about the Chief or Second, or even about the job, for that matter, hard workers on board, but mustard after a few when ashore.
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Old 25th April 2010, 13:58
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Myrtlebank 1955/56

From left. 2/E, C/E McLaren,7/E,6/E,4/E, and Sparks. All one big happy ? family ashore in the bush Chittagong. Well what else could you do in Chittagong ?. I was a first trip Apprentice sent to look after them in case they come across some jungle juice.
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McQueen C/E on Maplebank - 1970(?)

Vans Thompson 2/E on Nessbank - 1972
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Old 25th April 2010, 16:04
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We seem to hear a lot about Masters etc, but never any of the other ranks who all go to make up a ship's officers compliment who are essential to the safe operation of the vessel, so we all have picked enough holes in Masters so lets have a go at the other ranks.

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Most, if not all of the Chief Engineers I sailed were keen to remind the Master of their mutual equality but equally keen to remind the Master when the big decisions had to be made....your the Captain.
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Old 25th April 2010, 17:09
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I sailed as a Chief Engineer- for years. Now I manage a bunch of Chief's.
Generally, the best (and usually the easiest) ships to run, were the vessel's where the Chief and the Master got along well.

I've seen rotten Chiefs and rotten Masters- thank god never together. As a Chief Engineer, I made it my business to get along at all costs- until the "line is crossed"- then I usually had enough moxey to see that the offending party (or parties) found gainful employment elsewhere.

Ships run quite a bit better when the Officers all get along.. Master's have the ultimate responsibility- but not generally across the engine room door sill.....
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Aliens all....

Speaking personally, and absolutely no offence meant to anyone, I always found them ( the engineers - all ranks) totally alien. They inhabited a mysterious world of grease and oil, unable to see where we were heading, something which would have sent me potty. A couple of them over the years tried to punch my head in or worse, bless em. Usually after getting tanked up. I don't hold any grudges whatsoever over that.

Despite the comments above, I can remember my genuine respect and awe when they managed , against all the odds, to get knackered engines turning again, usually in stinking heat and at sea with a heavy roll with pistons dangling from slings while they changed liners or whatever....

My nomination for best engineer to sail with was one G Forsyth, 2nd engineer of the 1930 built twin screw Irisbank. Everyone regarded him as cuckoo because he had the habit of saluting the rising sun as he emerged from the hell hole engine room each morning, but I empathised with that...

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Old 25th April 2010, 19:52
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I sailed as a Chief Engineer- for years. Now I manage a bunch of Chief's.
Generally, the best (and usually the easiest) ships to run, were the vessel's where the Chief and the Master got along well.

I've seen rotten Chiefs and rotten Masters- thank god never together. As a Chief Engineer, I made it my business to get along at all costs- until the "line is crossed"- then I usually had enough moxey to see that the offending party (or parties) found gainful employment elsewhere.

Ships run quite a bit better when the Officers all get along.. Master's have the ultimate responsibility- but not generally across the engine room door sill.....

Masters have the ultimate responsibility....end of!
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Old 25th April 2010, 20:22
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Chief Engineer Jimmy Cairns.....

I never sailed with Jimmy but met him so often when he was sailing in Bank Line that I got to know him quite well. In fact, once when on leave, I went to Fuengirola in Spain where he had an apartment and spent a holiday with him, inspecting all the "British Pubs" around Malaga!

He eventually married a Spanish woman whose name was Mariella and they both came to live in New York when I lived there. Jimmy took a job as hotel engineer at one of the very large tourist hotels in Manhattan.

He was a great chap and I'm glad to see that he is remembered along with such luminaries as Joe Hanover with whom I did not sail but was well regarded. I think Joe was also domiciled in Southern Spain.

Can't recall members of the engineering department without mentioning the remarkable Farquhar Mackenzie as 1st. Leckie whose friendship and ability to create good times whether afloat or ashore are recalled by many of his shipmates.
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Masters have the ultimate responsibility....end of!

A rather simplistic and somewhat inaccurate remark.
I ran short of bunkers on one voyage and just managed by the skin of my teeth to drop anchor off Okinawa with nothing left in any fuel tanks. I was not held responsible for that fiasco and the Chief Engineer was dismissed.
Chief Engineers, particularly on modern ships, have a massive burden of responsibility and they will be held responsible for any stuff ups that are clearly their fault.

Steamer 659 - I agree with your comment, "Master's have the ultimate responsibility- but not generally across the engine room door sill....."
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As a lowly apprentice I recall checking bunkers 3 times just to make sure and once lo and behold it was wrong,we had been robbed by a large amount.
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Chief Engineers Stan Ledger on Suvic Frank Mole Tommy Fulton Second's Bobby Comeford, Bruce (Jimmy) Andrews, John Mawer Southern Cross Max McLean Len Tarelton Suvic all good guys and worked hard when required also played hard.
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Speaking personally, and absolutely no offence meant to anyone, I always found them ( the engineers - all ranks) totally alien. They inhabited a mysterious world of grease and oil, unable to see where we were heading, something which would have sent me potty. A couple of them over the years tried to punch my head in or worse, bless em. Usually after getting tanked up. I don't hold any grudges whatsoever over that.

Despite the comments above, I can remember my genuine respect and awe when they managed , against all the odds, to get knackered engines turning again, usually in stinking heat and at sea with a heavy roll with pistons dangling from slings while they changed liners or whatever....

My nomination for best engineer to sail with was one G Forsyth, 2nd engineer of the 1930 built twin screw Irisbank. Everyone regarded him as cuckoo because he had the habit of saluting the rising sun as he emerged from the hell hole engine room each morning, but I empathised with that...
Signed his name "G4".
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Bit later than some of the contributors but:

Meadowbank 1985~6 C/E Derek Hull 2/E Frank Orwin
Troutbank 1986 C/E Brian Frost 2/E Gwyn Roberts and Jim Smith
Troutbank 1987 C/E Charlie DeSilva 2/E David Lee
Clydebank 1987~8 C/E Brian Frost 2/E Mike Barber
Clydebank 1988~9 C/E Graham Humphries & Fred Grant 2/E Jeremy Reeves

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Sailed from Jan '58 until Sept '60 with Chief Engineer Morgan on the Eskbank. We would often have a drink together in the evening after I came off watch. He taught my young budgie to swear in a broad Welsh accent to say "Bastard Bokkie" much to the amusement of one and all. Bokkie was the birds name.
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