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Old 11th August 2018, 05:14
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QSMV "Dominion Monarch"

Can anyone suggest where I might find photos of the interiors of the passenger accommodation of this ship? I visited her several times during calls in Melbourne in the early 1950s and thought she was by far the best of the many liners then on the UK-Australia run.
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There is quite about her, here ,along with some interiors.

http://www.ssmaritime.com/dominionmonarch.htm
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Old 11th August 2018, 08:56
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Many thanks! The ssmaritime site is a real treasure trove as indeed is this site itself. Thanks to you all. John
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In October 1960 I was an Apprentice Engineer in Persic and we were ratfted alongside Dominion Monarch in the then new Leopolddok Antwerp while her homeward cargo was transferred ship to ship.
There was a Dock Strike in London at the time and the transfer was made in order that DM could maintain her passenger sailing schedule. Persic delivered the cargo, mostly frozen, to London after the strike was called off.
There were no passengers on board DM at the time, I think they had been dropped off at either Southampton or Tilbury so a Junior Purser had time to spare to give Persic's Apprentices a full tour of the public rooms and a couple of the best passenger cabins.
We were impressed to say the least, the comfort and luxury in the very British Country House/Gentlemans Club style was probably unmatched as John states in Post #1 .
DM only carried just over 500 First Class passengers, so no compromises had to be made to accommodate the Tourist 'hordes'. The space per passenger was very high and is probably matched by only the very best of modern cruise ships.
A wonderful way to travel to the 'Southern Dominions' that only the wealthiest could afford.
Later, I was lucky to sail in Corinthic and Athenic which were smaller, 85 passenger versions on the same theme. A very different age but I remember it fondly.

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Old 11th August 2018, 18:45
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Can anyone suggest where I might find photos of the interiors of the passenger accommodation of this ship? I visited her several times during calls in Melbourne in the early 1950s and thought she was by far the best of the many liners then on the UK-Australia run.
There's a small book By Richard P. Kerbrech. The Shaw Savill Line
Images in Mast, Steam and Motor (Ship Pictorial Publications)
Six internal images of the Dominion Monarch.
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Old 12th August 2018, 10:00
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Thanks Alaric for that interesting story. Lucky you! She was a beautiful ship, he best that Shaw Savill ever had I think, although the Corinthic and her three sisters were scaled down copies in many ways. I'm jealous of your memories!
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Old 12th August 2018, 10:03
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Thanks, Bill: I'll look for Kerbrech's book in the local libraries and bookshops. John
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Relative's title.

I had a family member who I understood was the Staff Captain on Dominion Monarch. I know he sailed on her right through WW2 and later became an Elder of Trinity House and even later something to do with the Maritime Court at the Hague. What was the role of the Staff Captain? jonti
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In October 1960 I was an Apprentice Engineer in Persic and we were ratfted alongside Dominion Monarch in the then new Leopolddok Antwerp while her homeward cargo was transferred ship to ship.
There was a Dock Strike in London at the time and the transfer was made in order that DM could maintain her passenger sailing schedule. Persic delivered the cargo, mostly frozen, to London after the strike was called off.
There were no passengers on board DM at the time, I think they had been dropped off at either Southampton or Tilbury so a Junior Purser had time to spare to give Persic's Apprentices a full tour of the public rooms and a couple of the best passenger cabins.
We were impressed to say the least, the comfort and luxury in the very British Country House/Gentlemans Club style was probably unmatched as John states in Post #1 .
DM only carried just over 500 First Class passengers, so no compromises had to be made to accommodate the Tourist 'hordes'. The space per passenger was very high and is probably matched by only the very best of modern cruise ships.
A wonderful way to travel to the 'Southern Dominions' that only the wealthiest could afford.
Later, I was lucky to sail in Corinthic and Athenic which were smaller, 85 passenger versions on the same theme. A very different age but I remember it fondly.
Memories of that situation come back very vividly ... Belfast H and W rushing to prepare Persic for the 'dash' to Antwerp. There seemed to be quite an influx of repair personnel as with sailing staff once the word was given. It was certainly a very carefree few days meeting up with DM Engineersin those so familiar bars.
Memories of the hostility shown by warfies when we finally did start off loading that famous DM cargo
A great trip out to Australasia followed, with Christmas 1960 at sea... yes 'fondly' is very apt ... as usual Dick a great recall

Joe ...
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Old 20th August 2018, 08:53
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Memories of the hostility shown by warfies when we finally did start off loading that famous DM cargo
They were London Dockers Joe. You really have become an Aussie, even dropped the 'H'!
On my tour of the DM the Purser didn't take us into the Engineroom, just had a quick view of twenty Doxford top pistons from the changing room door. I have always regretted not having a proper look at a truly unique installation.
Did you have a good look at the half Tyne, half Wear engines?

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Old 20th August 2018, 09:28
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I had a family member who I understood was the Staff Captain on Dominion Monarch. I know he sailed on her right through WW2 and later became an Elder of Trinity House and even later something to do with the Maritime Court at the Hague. What was the role of the Staff Captain? jonti
In my time SS&A had Staff Captains, and Staff Chief Engineers on their 3 large passenger ships, Dominion Monarch, Southern Cross and Northern Star. They had usually sailed as Captains or Chiefs on smaller cargo ships before becoming 'Staffs'. As an example, when I was an Apprentice in Alaric I sailed with Jack Worden on his first trip as Chief, he then went to stand-by Northern Star during her building and sailed as Staff Chief for her first year. I was Junior Engineer during those four voyages.
The 'Staffs' looked after the routine inspections and paperwork, leaving their boss to socialise with the cargo. I think in practice it was left to the individuals to share out the workload to suit themselves. I don't recall seeing a written Job Description for any rank while I was at sea. Did they exist?
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Old 22nd August 2018, 06:42
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They were London Dockers Joe. You really have become an Aussie, even dropped the 'H'!
On my tour of the DM the Purser didn't take us into the Engineroom, just had a quick view of twenty Doxford top pistons from the changing room door. I have always regretted not having a proper look at a truly unique installation.
Did you have a good look at the half Tyne, half Wear engines?
Did get on board DM a couple of times and was very fortunate to see her leaving Wellington for the last time 'all decked out'.
Always pleased to get back to 'my own ship' after such a visit I must say.
How did your 'hobby' (Alaric) finally turn out?
So ... When is w(h)arfie not a docker?

As usual Dick once a steam man always a critic ...
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Old 22nd August 2018, 21:17
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#12 . Totally off message.
Just for you Joe I have posted a photo of my 'ship' in the Gallery today.
I am still waiting for DJ to join me on a voyage.
I posted your NStar passing Percy Main photo on June 5th, just before the Gallery took a wobbly. Now viewable again.
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Old 23rd August 2018, 06:33
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In my time SS&A had Staff Captains, and Staff Chief Engineers on their 3 large passenger ships, Dominion Monarch, Southern Cross and Northern Star. They had usually sailed as Captains or Chiefs on smaller cargo ships before becoming 'Staffs'. As an example, when I was an Apprentice in Alaric I sailed with Jack Worden on his first trip as Chief, he then went to stand-by Northern Star during her building and sailed as Staff Chief for her first year. I was Junior Engineer during those four voyages.
The 'Staffs' looked after the routine inspections and paperwork, leaving their boss to socialise with the cargo. I think in practice it was left to the individuals to share out the workload to suit themselves. I don't recall seeing a written Job Description for any rank while I was at sea. Did they exist?
Who was in control of the ship, Captain or Staff C ?
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Old 25th August 2018, 06:22
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#12 . Totally off message.
Just for you Joe I have posted a photo of my 'ship' in the Gallery today.
I am still waiting for DJ to join me on a voyage.
I posted your NStar passing Percy Main photo on June 5th, just before the Gallery took a wobbly. Now viewable again.
Thank you Dick
How many remain from that 1960 team?
Say hi to DJ
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Does anyone have any details or a picture of the lifeboats on the DM.

I've recently learnt that the 1938 engine I've had in my British narrow boat since 1976 have come from a DM lifeboat.
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Thanks for bringing this thread alive again Glennifer, I presume your engine is a Glennifer?
At the end of DM's Shaw Savill service she was used as an accommodation ship at the 1962 Seattle Worlds Fair. There is a photo of DM at Seattle on the site www.cruiselinehistory.com/the-dominion-monarch
All the lifeboats seem to be in position, and although it is possible that your engine was removed before the ship left UK for the last time I think this unlikely.
After Seattle DM sailed to Osaka, arriving on 25th November 1962 for scrapping. Perhaps a Glennifer enthusiast bought your engine from the scrappers and had it shipped back to UK?
Not all of the boats would be powered by engines, 2 or 4 most likely.
If you manage to get more history on your engine, built 1938 and still going, please post it here.
There are a few photographs of DM's interior on the quoted website which may interest Fiennesjohn who started this thread.
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Old 5th July 2019, 01:18
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Here is a colour photo showing the 'launch'... No. 4 boat, in Seattle in 1962. There is another colour showing starboard boat No. 3 so the boats were with the ship to the end.

Last, an old B&W photo showing closeup of launch No. 3.


Perhaps SS&A kept a spare Gleniffer kept in KVG Dock?

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Old 5th July 2019, 01:22
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The MOTOR SHIP. Issue MARCH 1939. Page 470

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"Two 30 ft boats, 24hp Gleniffer Diesel engines carrying 40 persons...."

All other boats were rowing boats..


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There are two threads running on SN DOMINION MONARCH!


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Old 5th July 2019, 10:14
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The MOTOR SHIP. Issue MARCH 1939. Page 470

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"Two 30 ft boats, 24hp Gleniffer Diesel engines carrying 40 persons...."

All other boats were rowing boats..

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You beat me to it Stephen, I was going to consult The MOTORSHIP this morning.
Shaw Savill kept a lot of stuff in the Shore Store, but it would not have run to a whole Gleniffer engine. However, the passenger ships, including DM took on a supply of fire bars every voyage whether they were ordered or not. They were used as ballast in the event of burials at sea. The firebars were originally used in coal fired boilers, the last of which were scrapped in 1950.
Not many ships powered by four Doxfords carried firebars in their engineroom stores!
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You beat me to it Stephen, I was going to consult The MOTORSHIP this morning.
Shaw Savill kept a lot of stuff in the Shore Store, but it would not have run to a whole Gleniffer engine. However, the passenger ships, including DM took on a supply of fire bars every voyage whether they were ordered or not. They were used as ballast in the event of burials at sea. The firebars were originally used in coal fired boilers, the last of which were scrapped in 1950.
Not many ships powered by four Doxfords carried firebars in their engineroom stores!

Years ago I bought the set of The Motor Ship.... 1924 to 1960. All leather bound volumes. Beautiful! Books v. www Books will win by a mile! :-)

Do you remember two small motor lifeboats being taken off NORTHERN STAR before she went to scrapping?

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If you ever think those volumes need to go to a new home Stephen, let me know.
I was on the Northern Star for her first four voyages only so didn't see her two boats go.
Not unusual for SSA. I was in Corinthic on the final passenger voyage in 1965 and two of the boats went ashore along with the passengers in London. We then went round to Liverpool to complete discharging and Skyfotos took a good photograph of the ship in the Channel, still with all the passenger accommodation in place but with two boats missing. Much of the passenger accommodation was then removed by Wilton Fijenoord in Schiedam. Photo posted in Gallery, but is it a passenger ship?

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A splendid photograph of DM, apparently at Liverpool - and clearly on some special occasion. I wonder when? And which dock? Is she at Sandon? Might well be, although Gladstone was the more usual for SS&A. The alignment/orientation looks wrong for Gladstone. Further information will be much appreciated.

I was an 8-year-old child aboard Persic at Gladstone for the Festival of Britain Grand Firework display in 1951. Was that the occasion?

PS. On looking more closely I see that she is alongside a quay. North Gladstone 1? That would fit.

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Fans of Call The Midwife programme will recognise this pic.

"Call the Midwife" takes place in Poplar, East London, so it isn't unreasonable to assume that the opening images are of Poplar, but I've always been apprehensive about such a large liner getting near Poplar.

The pic [which I came across while browsing Ship's Nostalgia] is of the Dominion Monarch in the King George 5th dock, which is quite away from Poplar as shown in the screenshot map.
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