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Old 20th August 2006, 22:19
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Does anyone remember Capt Thorpe...Jeremy's Brother.....and the extra Volvo.....not off loaded at Charleston or Miami.....
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No, but it would be most interesting to hear the story
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sailed with captain thorpe on troll lake good old man regards kev.
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I relieved Capt Thorpe when he was Chief Off and sailed as Chief Off on the Troll Park in 1973 the trip when the centre beam for the car decks collapsed and killed the dockers in St Johns Newfoundland
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Was 2nd. mate on the Trollpark 1970 , Malcolm Thorpe was mate for a while.

Also lost a couple of stevedores in these 8 months. The worst was during
discharge of liner in Hamburg. Young guy was leaning in between rolls to adjust
the head clamps when the crane driver started lifting. When the weight came on
the rolls came together and crushed his head.

Interesting ship !!!!!!!!!!!.

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Thumbs up Troll Ships

Sailed on all Trolls except Troll Lake.
Never managed to kill anyone but bent a car or two!
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Old 21st August 2006, 14:20
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Tell us the story about the missing Volvo which was not discharged.

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Old 22nd August 2006, 00:06
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Does anyone remember Capt Thorpe...Jeremy's Brother.....and the extra Volvo.....not off loaded at Charleston or Miami.....
DJM,
Must have been Arctic Troll or Troll Park. Doesn't ring a bell though. As JC says, tell us more!
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Old 4th October 2006, 11:39
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artic troll

was on actric troll in 1979, did not take bunkers in rotterdam when we should hit a force 10 on way across, finallly got to st john canada, 6hrs fuel left close shave for the chief i think, never seen seas like these ,lost 900tons of good timber over side when ship rolled , wire ropes thick as your wrist snapped.just as well, troll ships looked good but were primative inside, anyone with similar experences? on these ships.
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Old 4th October 2006, 21:07
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Couple of questions ;
Why was she carrying timber from Rotterdam to St.Johns. Normally it was
the other way around.
Was 2nd.mate on the Troll park 1971 and certainly do not remember that
they were "primative"inside (presume you are talking about the accommodation). She was certainly the only ship I ever sailed in where
the 2nd.mate had a seperate bedroom. The accommodation was superb
for the early '70's.

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Couple of questions ;
Why was she carrying timber from Rotterdam to St.Johns. Normally it was
the other way around.
Was 2nd.mate on the Troll park 1971 and certainly do not remember that
they were "primative"inside (presume you are talking about the accommodation). She was certainly the only ship I ever sailed in where the 2nd.mate had a seperate bedroom. The accommodation was superb for the early '70's.

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More importantly John, don't forget the fridge!
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I sailed with Malcolm Thorpe on the Troll River after she was converted to a box boat. I am not sure if he knew where the bridge was as he didnt spend very much time on it. He had his wife with him that trip. John God Ridley joined in Dubai. What a pain in the butt he was. He thought if you had a shower more than once a week in the gulf there was something wrong with you. thats why we all stood down wind of him.
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Old 5th October 2006, 09:04
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Jeez , you're right Ray, Also the first time I ever had a fridge as 2nd.Mate.

Note that we have still not got DJM's enthralling story about Malcolm
Thorpe and the extra Volvo.

I thought the Troll ships were great ships for their time. At least they had
hatch covers that worked !!.

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Jeez , you're right Ray, Also the first time I ever had a fridge as 2nd.Mate.

Note that we have still not got DJM's enthralling story about Malcolm
Thorpe and the extra Volvo.

I thought the Troll ships were great ships for their time. At least they had
hatch covers that worked !!.

JC
Sailed on the River and Park and can't but agree John with all you say however the car decks were another matter with problems every time they were moved. The idea was excellent but in practice they were a pain.
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artic troll

yes jc the timber was on the way back good memory,suppose after being on eurofreighter and loch maree the actric troll was primative, though they looked good on the outside , but probably for her year it was good, though gtv,s were ahead of their time with there computer albeit the keyboard keys were like oxo cubes and the golfball printer. suppose it was a start , p&o s aurora has many computers and these days its an icon to open or close somthing or start or shutdown something.more IT specialists than navagation or engineering officers or should i say electotechnical officers, u were on the gtvs remember the micro wave with the plastic cards with the holes different colours for different minutes. yes star trek stuff as someone said.we use to get 15$ cold weather allowance on the troll for warm gear but everyone bought rum with it. great.!!
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Old 6th October 2006, 09:42
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Note you loved working with the car decks as much as I did - they were
dangerous pieces of equipment. As you say , looked good on paper but
were a nightmare in practice. Was on the Trollpark when she was pretty
new and even then they were a disaster.

I was talking about the main deck hatch covers which worked every time.

We also used to carry our own Munck vacuum discharge gear which was
also an experience never to be forgotten.

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You bring back memories of the mad Munck service engineer in Savannah and drums of hydraulic oil all over the main deck and of course the Hagglund cranes!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yea Tom , memories indeed and Savannah was the port we used the Munck
gear. Remember we used to be given 1 day to get it all out of the foc'sle
hatch and rig it. Used to be "allowed" to use dock equipment which was a story
in itself. It was dangerous gear but if I remember well then you always had
a few moments warning before the vacuum failed and gravity took over.

Car decks were another story. Each and every car deck had it's own lifting
(opening) cable with coloured hard eye hung up in small hatches between
each hatch. Crane was hooked onto the wire of the deck you wanted to
open. If you hooked on the wrong one (happened to all of us in the dark)
then the end row of the vars below got creamed.
Closing (laying) was just as hairy. Crane hooked on to a couple if runners
via snatch blocks with the coloured wire round a friction drum to stop the
whole thing running away. All this before the days of good walkie-talkies.
We had to use nylon runners instead of wire and have many memories of these snatch blocks taking off like cannons . Survival instincts were honed
to perfection on these ships.
Great memories though - all part of our youth.

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In a kind of perverse way, I really enjoyed working the car decks. There was always a new challenge just round the corner. Everything JC has talked about is perfectly correct.
I went back to the ships, mainly Arctic Troll in the late 70's and by that time the decks were a nightmare - that sinking feeling as one of the stevedores comes down the main deck and asks you to have a look down number 2. First impression when looking over the coaming is that the top deck is empty and ready for pulling, only to be told that the for'd gang has hooked the wrong eye onto the crane. A quick dash into the tunnel and down the access to the hold finds the for'd starboard section partially pulled and a load of Porsches neatly compressed into the deck above - oh sh1t!

Everyone became quite adept with chain blocks and a gas axe (mates included) as blocks, wheels and ratchets all received "first aid" treatment. Does anyone remember Herman (the German) who used to bring his gang on board each trip in Bremen to carry out permanent car deck repairs? His squad was often still working on the car decks when we arrived in Emden to load VW's and Porsches! Herman's guys were almost considered as being permanent crew on the ships.

By the late 70's Arctic Troll was a guinea pig for the "Sealife Project" along with one of the ACT ships. They guy in charge of the project was, if my memory is correct, Malcolm Smith. The concept was that the ship became more responsible for its logistical support - without reference to Glasgow. We had permanent crew who worked the same leave as the officers and a lot of the traditional divisions on board ship were removed. The officers' smokeroom was open to everyone on board - as long as appropriate attire was worn and vice versa, the crew bar became a "working" bar!

Some of the happiest time I had at sea was on Arctic Troll - there was a tremendous camaraderie on board and none of the crew overstepped the mark or abused their new privileges. It became self-policing because the crowd knew they were on a winner and wouldn't step out of line to jeopardise their new working conditions.

On one trip, just before Christmas our PO, "Pedro" (BJ's brother, for those of you from the GTVs) injured his back when the B.O.T. gangway dropped on him at Sammy Williamson's, Dagenham. His replacement was from the Pool and a complete waste of space. He joined the ship in a boiler suit with his worldly possessions in two carrier bags (shades of Ralph McTell there). Anyway, we sailed from Dagenham for Rotterdam and when we went to stations for berthing in Rotterdam, "Matey" wasn't to be found. Once we were secure we found him still sitting in the crew's bar, cuddling his pint. As a result, the regular lads were concerned that he would lead to them having their tap stopped over Christmas and promised to sort him out.

When we sailed from Rotterdam in the early hours it was bitterly cold, ice on the decks and mooring lines solid - oh joy! "Matey" failed to put in an appearance again and once we had the tugs fast and had let go I sent someone to eject him from the bar. He arrived on the poop, all apologetic and claiming that he hadn't been called – yeah right! In an effort to impress and feel "part of the team" he grabbed the nearest line to him and started throwing turns off the bits! We immediately pounced on him because, what he had failed to notice was a tug on the other end of the line which was dragging us astern from our berth! "Matey" was returned to the crew bar to relax - we felt he could do less harm there!
The following day, we were just about to change pilots before passing Bremerhaven Container Terminal when "Matey" arrived on the bridge to take over the wheel. Pissed as a fart again! First helm order from the pilot was port twenty and "Matey" immediately applied starboard wheel. That was the end, I turfed him onto the bridge wing, put our cadet on the wheel and called the "Old Man".

Let's just say that "Matey" paid off the ship in Bremen, still in his boiler suit and carrying his carrier bags! We sailed short handed for the remainder of the trip but the crew were delighted to see the back of "Matey" and his threat to their Christmas celebrations.

Christmas celebrations on the way across the Atlantic were another story altogether. Fancy dress, Vikings, you name it! I won't describe it here because the “Old Man” is a member of SN!
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Does anyone remember Capt Thorpe...Jeremy's Brother.....and the extra Volvo.....not off loaded at Charleston or Miami.....
So what is the Malcolm Thorpe / Volvo story?
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In a kind of perverse way, I really enjoyed working the car decks. There was always a new challenge just round the corner. Everything JC has talked about is perfectly correct.
I went back to the ships, mainly Arctic Troll in the late 70's and by that time the decks were a nightmare - that sinking feeling as one of the stevedores comes down the main deck and asks you to have a look down number 2. First impression when looking over the coaming is that the top deck is empty and ready for pulling, only to be told that the for'd gang has hooked the wrong eye onto the crane. A quick dash into the tunnel and down the access to the hold finds the for'd starboard section partially pulled and a load of Porsches neatly compressed into the deck above - oh sh1t!

Everyone became quite adept with chain blocks and a gas axe (mates included) as blocks, wheels and ratchets all received "first aid" treatment. Does anyone remember Herman (the German) who used to bring his gang on board each trip in Bremen to carry out permanent car deck repairs? His squad was often still working on the car decks when we arrived in Emden to load VW's and Porsches! Herman's guys were almost considered as being permanent crew on the ships.

By the late 70's Arctic Troll was a guinea pig for the "Sealife Project" along with one of the ACT ships. They guy in charge of the project was, if my memory is correct, Malcolm Smith. The concept was that the ship became more responsible for its logistical support - without reference to Glasgow. We had permanent crew who worked the same leave as the officers and a lot of the traditional divisions on board ship were removed. The officers' smokeroom was open to everyone on board - as long as appropriate attire was worn and vice versa, the crew bar became a "working" bar!

Some of the happiest time I had at sea was on Arctic Troll - there was a tremendous camaraderie on board and none of the crew overstepped the mark or abused their new privileges. It became self-policing because the crowd knew they were on a winner and wouldn't step out of line to jeopardise their new working conditions.

On one trip, just before Christmas our PO, "Pedro" (BJ's brother, for those of you from the GTVs) injured his back when the B.O.T. gangway dropped on him at Sammy Williamson's, Dagenham. His replacement was from the Pool and a complete waste of space. He joined the ship in a boiler suit with his worldly possessions in two carrier bags (shades of Ralph McTell there). Anyway, we sailed from Dagenham for Rotterdam and when we went to stations for berthing in Rotterdam, "Matey" wasn't to be found. Once we were secure we found him still sitting in the crew's bar, cuddling his pint. As a result, the regular lads were concerned that he would lead to them having their tap stopped over Christmas and promised to sort him out.

When we sailed from Rotterdam in the early hours it was bitterly cold, ice on the decks and mooring lines solid - oh joy! "Matey" failed to put in an appearance again and once we had the tugs fast and had let go I sent someone to eject him from the bar. He arrived on the poop, all apologetic and claiming that he hadn't been called – yeah right! In an effort to impress and feel "part of the team" he grabbed the nearest line to him and started throwing turns off the bits! We immediately pounced on him because, what he had failed to notice was a tug on the other end of the line which was dragging us astern from our berth! "Matey" was returned to the crew bar to relax - we felt he could do less harm there!
The following day, we were just about to change pilots before passing Bremerhaven Container Terminal when "Matey" arrived on the bridge to take over the wheel. Pissed as a fart again! First helm order from the pilot was port twenty and "Matey" immediately applied starboard wheel. That was the end, I turfed him onto the bridge wing, put our cadet on the wheel and called the "Old Man".

Let's just say that "Matey" paid off the ship in Bremen, still in his boiler suit and carrying his carrier bags! We sailed short handed for the remainder of the trip but the crew were delighted to see the back of "Matey" and his threat to their Christmas celebrations.

Christmas celebrations on the way across the Atlantic were another story altogether. Fancy dress, Vikings, you name it! I won't describe it here because the “Old Man” is a member of SN!

C'mon Ray , who is he.

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