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Old 30th October 2007, 03:29
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I commenced my BF first deep sea voyage on 10 Feb 1959 on Atreus, the Mate was R*****n. I completed my last deep sea BF voyage Dec 1962 also on Atreus and the Mate was still R*****n.

In that I was at sea for MY benefit rather than Alfies I left them and was on a Comet flight to Hong Kong 5 weeks later with a still wet 2nd Mates ticket in my pocket. Just over 4 years later I was Chief Officer with a FG Masters.

In mid-1967 I had dinner with R*****n in Kobe. He was still Chief Officer in Blue Funnel and I was a brand new Master of a much larger and more modern ship than his (FOC). He was a bitter and angry man, but he wouldn't leave BF because he'd 'lose his seniority'. A lot of good it did him.

Yes, I am grateful to BF for having given me training which stood me in good stead throughout my sea going career. But by the same token I gave them 4 years of very cheap labour. If I'd stayed with Alfies then by 1967 it was just possible that I'd have reached the dizzy heights of 2nd Mate.

Blue Funnel hired me, they didn't buy me.
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Old 30th October 2007, 13:40
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I commenced my BF first deep sea voyage on 10 Feb 1959 on Atreus, the Mate was R*****n. I completed my last deep sea BF voyage Dec 1962 also on Atreus and the Mate was still R*****n.

In that I was at sea for MY benefit rather than Alfies I left them and was on a Comet flight to Hong Kong 5 weeks later with a still wet 2nd Mates ticket in my pocket. Just over 4 years later I was Chief Officer with a FG Masters.

In mid-1967 I had dinner with R*****n in Kobe. He was still Chief Officer in Blue Funnel and I was a brand new Master of a much larger and more modern ship than his (FOC). He was a bitter and angry man, but he wouldn't leave BF because he'd 'lose his seniority'. A lot of good it did him.

Yes, I am grateful to BF for having given me training which stood me in good stead throughout my sea going career. But by the same token I gave them 4 years of very cheap labour. If I'd stayed with Alfies then by 1967 it was just possible that I'd have reached the dizzy heights of 2nd Mate.

Blue Funnel hired me, they didn't buy me.
Demodocus,
Interesting post and almost quotes verbatim one of my previous. On obtaining Second Mates (FG) end of 61 I was told in India Bldgs that if I kept my 'nose clean sonny' I would have my own command by the time I was 50 (tell that to a 21 year old). I subsequently obtained command at the age of 30 (FOC).
Saying that, I still maintain that our training in Holts was the best available at the time. I am trying to figure out who R......... was but a very similar thing happend with me with Hughie Davies. I caught up with him for a drink in Chester in 66 . He was probably the most Senior Ch.Off at the time (Peleus) and I was mate of a British tramp. He was mate when I was Deck Boy in 55 The really sad thing is there were many in BF who'hung on' and never got command. Some ending up on the coast etc..

Brgds

Bill

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Old 23rd March 2008, 22:49
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just remembering one joining day /sailing same, when the 2nd cook arrived in his own chaffaur driven rolls royce. Can't remember his name but he was loaded and went to sea for the booze 'so i was told'. This was mid 70's in birkenhead. Lycaon ('A' class)
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Old 23rd March 2008, 22:59
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Another example of a cradle to grave BF skipper as it was reputed he had the biggest dongle in the outfit when he was a middie.
I think that honour goes to a Middy called Safi-el-Din (son of a Suez canal pilot). Spent most of his time in port exercising his equipment which reached to just short of his knee.
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As an outsider reading this & other threads on Blue Funnel it seems to me that management were sadly lacking in man management among other aspects of running a shipping company.To not have been able to harness the company loyalty expressed to more efficient operational procedures etc speaks for itself. Kiwi
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Kiwi,
An astute analysis with which I concur. I believe, and this from a "family" tradition person, that all went out of the window when it stopped being Holts or China Steam and became "Ocean Transport & Trading" with the sea side becoming "Ocean Fleets". Maybe I was too young to realize it then.......! Well, I was just a pimply faced 17 year old Eng Cadet in 1980!! Looking back, I expected more and didn't find it.

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Old 24th March 2008, 22:53
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I think that honour goes to a Middy called Safi-el-Din (son of a Suez canal pilot). Spent most of his time in port exercising his equipment which reached to just short of his knee.
my guess it might be Safi Samil , same connection (no chain locker ), lived at Aulis while taking his 2nd mates in 1966 but spent most of his time near by in a towerblock. He often complained that "she" just wouldn't leave him alone.
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Old 25th March 2008, 14:05
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Sailing Day
Panic in the restaurant,no fixed seats, the longer you could keep your table occupied the better. From Liverpool we had all been for a final bevvie, Cunard men used the Stile House CPR frequented the Pig & Whistle
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Old 2nd September 2008, 23:39
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sow-sow-la,where was i when all this palava was going on? i did 21 trips deep sea with B.F.as ab ls, and i didn,t see any of this. i just signed on got aboard got my cabin,my bed linen,met up with the rest of the deckies,and "socialised",till it was time for stations.i think the bosun would come round with the watch list.we just made the most of our last few hours,and i enjoyed every trip regards yorkie meekin
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Exactly my experience John. It tended to be a bit quiet, most people lost in their own thoughts. My main concern was trying to nab the bottom bunk.
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You can also put LORD JOHN PRESCOTT in the frame for the demise.
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Would like to start a new thread, but don't know how to do it. Will someone, please, advise?
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Old 6th July 2017, 15:11
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Black tab bar at the near top of this page...
Click on Shipping Lines then scroll down and click on Blue Funnel then click on New Thread in top left hand corner..
Thank you very much.

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Old 6th July 2017, 15:54
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Jeepers!

Sailing Day again!

A sailing-day soogee and scrub-down
Was a helluva start to a cruise,
After all the wine and women,
And not to mention the booze!

Generally a dreadful experience for all hands, required to make things shipshape after some time languishing alongside in port, with all the cleaning, checking and double checking necessary (long before any such nonsense as a thing called a "check-list" or a "risk assessment"), done and dusted by rote; and we got to sea. And we survived and made good.

The details - the bridge, the engine room, the deck and the galley - are too well remembered to require any recitation here.

We followed our fathers, wearing trousers made of blue sky in the morning. We knew that we were doing everything which was right and proper and we knew bugger all else. Most of us still know bugger all else. Anything else which I might have learned in the intervening sixty years (almost) takes second place to the things known to have been right and proper on sailing day.

Would I do it all again? I'm afraid so.

PS

As an apprentice in pilotage I rose through the ranks and in due course became bosun aboard a sea-keeping pilot-cutter, at sea for two weeks at a time. I learned the philosophy (I doubt that it was my own) that nothing should be cleaner than a ship at sea.

I had listened to my father (who underwent a similar experience before me) and tried my best to remember the things which he had taught me. I developed thoughts of my own and was grateful that, many years later, my Dad and I could chew the fat as equals (although the old bastard would never admit that he might ever have been wrong).

Yes, I would do it again.

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Later I became a Senior First Class Pilot, but that is a different story altogether.

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