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Old 14th July 2012, 04:21
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Is their anyone out there ex Eastern Ships
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Old 14th July 2012, 06:24
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Is their anyone out there ex Eastern Ships
I note this goes back to 2009. I'm not too clever on getting around this site. If you are still there Garry I was 3/E on Loksang, 1948 to 1951.

Eastern Saga was in the fleet, then Queen and Glory came before I left.
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Old 14th July 2012, 11:35
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Do you remember a Leslie Money?
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Old 14th July 2012, 12:04
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I was 3/E on Eastern Saga from July '84 to Jan '85. It was quite a wreck then but the run was good.
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[QUOTE=Tony Morris;607588]I was 3/E on Eastern Saga from July '84 to Jan '85. It was quite a wreck then but the run was good.[/QUOTE

I sailed with Jardines (ISNC) from 1980 to 1984.

I was onboard the Tsuru Arrow, Malahat, Eastern Moon, Mountain Thistle and Eastern Saga.

The Saga was a bit decrepit right enough but as you say, she was always on a good run.

The Eastern Moon was my favorite, Vancouver to Eastern seaboard of the states with lumber.
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Was there '64 through '71 on one or two ships ! (easiest to see my profile) Definitely the best period of my sea going career !

ps Eastern Moon was also my favourite but not sure if there were two ? The one I was on was the ex Hoegh Silvermoon


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Old 16th July 2012, 08:28
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Was there '64 through '71 on one or two ships ! (easiest to see my profile) Definitely the best period of my sea going career !

ps Eastern Moon was also my favourite but not sure if there were two ? The one I was on was the ex Hoegh Silvermoon


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One and only bt.1947(1960-71 ICSNC))b/u China 1978 LAMTONG CHAU.
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Old 16th July 2012, 09:47
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One and only bt.1947(1960-71 ICSNC))b/u China 1978 LAMTONG CHAU.
Thanks for the info. What threw me was the remark Kernow Jim made about her voyage Vancouver to Eastern Sea board, when I left her she was strictly a Far East ship on the Aussy/Japan/China run and the 'Diversification' catchword in the Office was in its infancy (The death knell of the traditional Jardines !)

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The Eastern Moon was a one of a number of Jardines ships who were chartered to a company called Seaboard who shipped lumber from Vancouver to numerous ports around the world. Whilst on the Moon in 1982 we did 3 trips to the Eastern Seaboard of the States before taking a cargo to Tilbury where I paid off.

My trip before that was on a Jardines ship called the Malahat and she too ran out of Vancouver to either the States or Japan.

I know the Eagle Arrow was also chartered to Seaboard in and around that time.
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Two different ships... the first being the ex Hoegh Silvermoon https://www.shipsnostalgia.com/galler...ermoon/cat/510 ..... the latter https://www.shipsnostalgia.com/galler...n-moon/cat/510 being one of the new but not neccesarily improved Jardine's fleet that appeared in the early 70's.
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Old 18th July 2012, 10:07
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Two different ships... the first being the ex Hoegh Silvermoon https://www.shipsnostalgia.com/galler...ermoon/cat/510 ..... the latter https://www.shipsnostalgia.com/galler...n-moon/cat/510 being one of the new but not neccesarily improved Jardine's fleet that appeared in the early 70's.
Thanks for clearing that up ! Something didn't quite make sense ! Just checked your pic links and yes the first one is the ship that has many good memories for me, the second one is one of the 'lumps' that were just appearing as I left (No offence meant Kurnow Jim !)

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Old 18th July 2012, 15:25
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Is their anyone out there ex Eastern Ships

1971/1974- Carrel, Eastern Ranger, American Main, Eastern Saga.

Ron Williams, Lecky.

Some names I recall- Tony Oliveira 2/E. Tom Corneille 2/E. Keith Osman C/E. Dave Shephard 3/E. Athol Mc Gilchrist C/O. Other faces to which I can't put names.
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Old 19th July 2012, 02:08
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Served with Indo China from 1960 4/O to Master.
Favourite ship was EASTERN STAR on which I sailed as 4/O,3/0,2/O and C/O. Another favorite ship was EASTERN MOON was C/O on her in the Shanghai attack by Red Guards in 1966.

There is a suberb painting of Easter Star at Old Ship Pictures web site at www.photship.co.uk

This site has lots of other IC ships of that era.
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Old 19th July 2012, 06:01
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1962 to1964 on Eastern Star,Eastern Argosy,(Last 2 trips to NZ),Hin Sang,Eastern Muse,Eastern Saga, and Eastern Glory when I returned to USSCo on getting married.
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Served with Indo China from 1960 4/O to Master.
Favourite ship was EASTERN STAR on which I sailed as 4/O,3/0,2/O and C/O. Another favorite ship was EASTERN MOON was C/O on her in the Shanghai attack by Red Guards in 1966.

There is a suberb painting of Easter Star at Old Ship Pictures web site at www.photship.co.uk

This site has lots of other IC ships of that era.
Hi, we must have just missed each other as I had just gone on leave when it happened. Seem to recall stories about pictures of HMS Bulwark being stuck into the side of a Mao portrait that they had put on the bridge and some other disfiguration of a Mao picture ? Also a good friend 'Sexy' Sid (Ferguson ?) getting a good kicking on the boat deck by the donkeyman, egged on by the red guard mob.
I believe it was fun confined in the Seamens' Club reading the little red book every day ! Not the best time to be visiting Shanghai.

I am getting the name Tommy Marr in my head, was he there, or is it another sign of things muddling up between the ears ?

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Old 19th July 2012, 11:28
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Thanks for clearing that up ! Something didn't quite make sense ! Just checked your pic links and yes the first one is the ship that has many good memories for me, the second one is one of the 'lumps' that were just appearing as I left (No offence meant Kurnow Jim !)

Mike
None taken. The latter ship is definitely the one I was on, you can clearly see the Seaboard (charterers) logo underneath thee ships name on the bow.
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Old 19th July 2012, 22:49
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Eastern Moon at Shanghai

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Tommy Marr was indeed on Eastern Moon at time. Only he and the Sparks were not lugged off to shore.

The picture on Bridge was a poster of Mao which 2/O Greg Bannatyne was using as a dart board prior to being carted off.

Sexy Sid was carted off for insunuatiions of what Mao did to cats.

I seem to remember the day the Moon was attacked the Red Guards also sacked the British Consulate in Shanghai.

Greg and I spent nearly 3 weeks in the Shanghai Prison then went on trial in a big stadium and sentenced to being deported for Obstructing the Great Proletarian Revolution

Was back in Shanghai in 2001 on E&A containership ARAFURA
but I guess all traces of MAO MADNESS had long gone.
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Sailed with Jardines from 1983 to 1997. First ship Malahat on the Seaboard timber run from BC to Tilbury, return via Jacksonville or Tampa to load phosrock for VanBC. Last ship was City of New Westminster of Canadian Transport BC & West Coast to NW Europe run. Left at Nanaimo, my last ship as a real crew member. Lots of Gearbulkers inbetween. There are quite a few friends from the Jardine ships still here in Hong Kong.
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Old 20th July 2012, 10:03
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Tommy Marr was indeed on Eastern Moon at time. Only he and the Sparks were not lugged off to shore.

The picture on Bridge was a poster of Mao which 2/O Greg Bannatyne was using as a dart board prior to being carted off.

Sexy Sid was carted off for insunuatiions of what Mao did to cats.

I seem to remember the day the Moon was attacked the Red Guards also sacked the British Consulate in Shanghai.

Greg and I spent nearly 3 weeks in the Shanghai Prison then went on trial in a big stadium and sentenced to being deported for Obstructing the Great Proletarian Revolution

Was back in Shanghai in 2001 on E&A containership ARAFURA
but I guess all traces of MAO MADNESS had long gone.
Thanks for replying Robert and letting us know what did actually happen, not too far from the tales doing the rounds afterwards ! Was it also true about being made to kneel on pallets next to the ship, then wrapping a torn up ensign around everyone's necks and being led down the other ships or was that also a bit of enriched gossip ?

Either way you certainly have something to tell the grandchildren but I sure as hell don't envy your experiences !

I believe Sid said if he ever came across that donkeyman in Hong Kong he would not be answerable on what he would do to him !

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Old 20th July 2012, 20:48
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Eastern Moon at Shanghai

AS far as I can remember Mike after we were taken off the ship by hystericak Red Guards we were made to kneel on pallets in front of ship wearing cardboard dunces caps, can’t remember any torn Red Ensign though. After half an hour in blazing sun we were carted of by lorry presumably to a Police Station. We all spent a few days there before Greg and I got carted off to the Prison which was run by PLA who seemed almost apologetic foe Red Guard Madness.

Sid and the others spent a few more days at Police Station being indoctrinated with Mao’s Little Red Book – fiendish oriental torture indeed !! before being returned to Honkong.

Greg and I went by rail from Shanghai to Hongkong with PLA escort. At Liwo bridge we were met by John Gibson the then Shipping Manager and whisked away in a darkened car and taken to his flat and cleaned up. Spent rest of day dodging press and then whisked away on darkened car to Kai Tak and smuggled on to Qantas flight to Sydney.

Press tried to ambush us at Sydney Airport but Greg’s father who met us tipped us off and we dodged them.

As I was currently then an RAN Reserve officer I had a somewhat amusing debrief in a seedy Kings Cross hotel by a Navy spook.

I caught up with Tommy Marr a couple of times when he was Master on Eastern Queen just before he retired. Sid I met in Yokohma in 1971 when I was joining a new ship, and again in Hongkong when he was Engineer Super.. Was back in Hongkong a few times from 1986-90 when I was on E&A containerships Asian Jade and Arafura. We only had a few hours in port so usually only had time to catch up with my old shipmate from Eastern Star days David Cauvin.

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Old 20th July 2012, 23:48
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The Not so Noble House

The Not so Noble House

For those old IC hands familiar with James Clavell’s Noble House written in 1981 set in 1963 Hongkong the real tale was somewhat more tawdry. Noble House has a power struggle to oust the Taipan, I always though it was to oust Michael Herries but it was in fact to oust David Newbigging who clashed with the Keswicks over concentrating on making Jardines a real estate empire. Both Herries and Newbigging were honourable types whilst the Keswicks would have been at home in the Borgia family.

Down stairs in Indo China Office the real tawdry power struggle occurred, the Shipping Manager John Gibson had just shot through leaving his resignation on his desk and flow to Australia where he mysteriously disappeared from a hotel a few days later. Gibson apparently fed up with the petty goings on in Jardine House. The power struggle for his job was initially between Queeg Parish and the Jardine Agency Manager who threatened a bit of ethnic cleansing of IC management and supers if he gained office. The IC Management rivals made a security pact to defeat Agency Manager and managed to get their candidate Colin Hardy into the job.

I later heard they wouldn’t let Queeeg stay on as Marine Super after he was 55 and a further ignominy was he lost all his loot and pension on a stockmarket fraud engineered by Jardines. The Keswicks wanted to raise money to take over a big real estate outfit in London so they stoked the stock market in Hongkong to where it was like a casino withy every man and his dog [and Queeg] gambled their all, then lost all when Keswicks took their money and ran. Complaints to Hongkong Financial secretary only got the laconic comment that “you can’t protect people from their own greed”

Although Indo China soldiered on in bulk shipping and tanker management the liner trades slowly faded. Their venture into containerisation was to say the least half baked with the Flinders Shipping venture ill thought and basically wrong ships. Swires by comparison were innovative although they too have vastly changed post 2000
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Old 21st July 2012, 08:19
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All fascinating stuff Robert. The Shanghai incident was certainly embellished by the time I heard it, but I say again- I'm sure as hell glad I missed it ! Never realized Sid ended up as engineering super, good on him !

I was totally oblivious to the power struggle and shenanigans that was going on with the Keswicks and the rest, although I have memories of some stock market madness in the newspapers of the time. Shame about poor old Captain Parrish. I don't suppose many of us minions would have any idea.

I don't know if your are still interested in those days, but I have I think 3 copies of the Ewo Log news sheets hidden somewhere in the bottom of a drawer at home (I'm away at my son's at the mo helping out) Without being too gloomy I am sure come the day when they are tidying up my bits and pieces, the likes of these will be consigned to a big black plastic bin bag which would be a shame, there can't be many knocking about by now ! I don't suppose there is a ex ICSN club or similar somewhere that would be interested ?

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Old 21st July 2012, 08:34
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Robert- "The not so Noble House" it would appear the 20 odd years I spent in Hong Kong with the "Firm" was not he same company you seem to have such little time for !!!!!!
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Garry Norton, before the fur starts flying, sorry that the crowd from a previous era have hijacked your posting a little bit, still its nice to see some of us are still ticking along !

Teb, to be fair Robert was talking about the early sixties which would appear to be a little later than your time with Jardines ?

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Old 21st July 2012, 10:50
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Mike I was in Jardines 1962 to 1964, I remember the girls from the BMH used to come down in Singapore and the girls from the British Embassy also in Rangoon. The parties on the Australian coast were also good.In Shanghai we used to put our tape recorders up to the porthole windows and play Rule Britannia loudly to watch the red guards come running and then stop playing before they reached the gangway. Luckly they did not catch anyone.
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