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Old 19th January 2013, 16:26
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M.V Eastern Prince

Anyone still around out there who sailed on the last Prince Line round the world service in the MV Eastern Prince ending in New York in 1960? We finished the voyage under the command of Capt. R.C. Proctor. who mentions his involvement in his autobiography, 'Tom Sloan, Master Mariner' published
after his death. The youngest cadet must be 70 plus now, but I live in hope!
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Old 27th March 2014, 15:43
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I sailed as a cadet on Eastern Prince from 1952 to 1954. Basically she was based in New York. We went on the round the world service four times. Then Captain Kale was the "old man". The most beautiful ship I ever saw!!!
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Old 29th March 2014, 23:00
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She was a handsome ship. When we came off the Round the World service she was chartered to Shaw Saville and renamed Bardic. On rejoining I found the sleek grey hull now black and the classic Prince Line funnel, buff and black.Not the same ship!
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Old 29th March 2014, 23:47
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After the Shaw Savill charter the Eastern Prince was sold to Bibby Line and renamed Staffordshire. I had the misfortune to do two trips on her by which time the ship was well past her sell by date. How on earth the Engineers managed to keep he ship going God alone knows, but they did. She also had oil fired galley stoves which were a nightmare. I sailed as Purser/Catering Officer and the stoves were the beign of my life. Bibbys also bought the Cingalese Prince and renamed her Gloucestershire.
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Old 30th March 2014, 13:04
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In her Eastern Prince days there were Indian and Malay crew galleys separated by a wire mesh. When called to fix their oil fired stoves, In addition to the technical problems, I had to endure the ongoing harangue between the two cooks, who spent much of the day insulting each other. As to the engines, no doubt leaking swan necked piston cooling pipes caused many stops at sea! Regards. Ian C
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Old 4th April 2014, 20:35
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Hi Ian, In your post on the Prince Line ship Eastern Prince, you mention Capt. R G Proctor. You may remember an organization called the British Ship Adoption Society. Many schools around the UK adopted a ship or company. In my case the school I attended, it was the Prince Line or should I say Capt. Proctor. I recall the head master at morning prayers and assembly reading letters sent by Capt. Proctor over the years I was there. On the rear wall of the stage was a very large red flag with the Prince of Wales feathers on it. (Wonder where it went.) I can't say if this had any influence on my decision to go to sea later in life, it may have been one of them.
Any way I came across a book some time ago by the title Fifty Years With The Prince Line by Captain R. C. Proctor OBE but never managed to obtain a copy until this last Christmas. For former Prince Line employee's it is priceless, almost like reading a history of the line. Thank you for this opportunity to recall those years.
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Old 5th April 2014, 11:55
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EASTERN PRINCE
O.N. 184284. 8,827g. 5,127n. 451.5 x 63.2 x 27.5 feet.
6-cyl. 2 S.C.S.A. (670 x 2320mm) Doxford 67LB6 type oil engine (No. 987) by the shipbuilder. 1,360nhp. 4,760bhp.
31.5.1950: Launched by Vickers-Armstrong Ltd., Newcastle (Yard No. 116) for Prince Line Ltd., (Furness, Withy & Company Ltd., managers).
10.1950: Completed.
1960 until 1964: Chartered to Shaw, Savill & Albion Company Ltd. and renamed BARDIC.
1964: Sold to Bibby Line Ltd., Liverpool and renamed STAFFORDSHIRE.
24.11.1970: Whilst on a voyage from Liverpool to Rangoon, suffered main machinery damage.
30.11.1970: Arrived at Colombo where, upon inspection, vessel was declared as beyond economical repair.
6.3.1971: Arrived at Hong Kong for demolition
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Old 10th April 2014, 14:53
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Hi Bill. I have a book called ' Tom Sloane,Master Mariner' published after his death by his son. Although written in the third person it appears to be the work of Capt.Foster. It has the Eastern Prince, his penultimate command, on the cover.The voyage I served under him was covered. His last ship was the Mv Mystic, taking him to a new area for him, Australasia. Is this the same book?
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Old 10th April 2014, 20:11
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Hi Ian C. I don't think it is the same book. The book I have seems to be written by Capt. Proctor himself, it was published in 1967 four years after he retired. If you wish I will try to down load a photo of the book cover which also has Capt. Proctor's photo on the rear.
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Old 10th April 2014, 21:16
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Hi Bill I must have a different book, published in 2002 and containing what is surely his autobiography although written in the third person. I am sure it is not possible for a son not to know that his father had written his autobiography. In the introduction his son says that it is published in his memory. The wealth of detail can only come from Copt Proctors hand. Strange!! Regards Ian Campbell
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Old 11th April 2014, 21:34
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Eastern Prince

Hello again Ian, I will try to down load the cover images of the book I have. I have never tried this so hope it works.
Regards Bill Morrison.
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Old 7th May 2015, 22:29
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Eastern Prince .. ship bell

Hi all. I've specifically joined this site after googling Eastern Prince.

I have a bell which appears to be from this ship. Would anyone be able to confirm? Where am I best able to access a history of this ship? Apologies for the obvious ignorance!
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Old 8th May 2015, 08:49
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If memory serves me right, I recall the bell as being in brass. As an engineer in her, it was not in my daily sight but somebody on this.
Regards Doxfordsix
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Old 8th May 2015, 09:59
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Hi all. I've specifically joined this site after googling Eastern Prince.

I have a bell which appears to be from this ship. Would anyone be able to confirm? Where am I best able to access a history of this ship? Apologies for the obvious ignorance!
Thanks
The question must arise as to which EASTERN PRINCE as there have been several owned by Prince Line

EASTERN PRINCE (1)
O. N. 92869. 2,147g. 1,408n. 292.6 x 39.0 x 18.9 feet.
T.3-cyl. (22”, 35” & 59” x 42”) engine by George Clark Ltd., Sunderland. 223nhp.
Post 1910: Two, experimental steam turbines by Parsons Marine Turbine Company Ltd., Newcastle, reduction geared to a single screw shaft.
17.9.1887: Launched by Short Brothers Ltd, Sunderland (Yard No. 172) for the Prince Steam Shipping Company Ltd., (James Knott, manager), Newcastle. 3.11.1887: Completed. 27.1.1899: Sold to Prince Line Ltd., (same manager). 1905: Manager renamed as J. Knott & Son. 18.12.1907: Sold to Wilson & Watson, Glasgow. 10.9.1908: Sold to Vespasian Steamship Company Ltd., (G. Reid & Company, managers), Newcastle and renamed VESPASIAN. 21.4.1909: Sold to Parsons Marine Steam Turbine Company Ltd., Newcastle. 5.1910: Re-engined as an experimental test bed. 17.3.1913: Sold to Cairns, Noble & Company, Newcastle. 6.1914: Hull sold for demolition following the removal of the turbine machinery for fitting into a new hull that had been ordered from Wm. Doxford & Sons, Sunderland. The outbreak of war saw cancellation of the project. The new hull was eventually completed as LORD BYRON in 1917 for London-Greek owners.


EASTERN PRINCE (2)
O.N. 129747. 2,885g. 1,789n. 340.0 x 46.4 x 21.5 feet.
T.3-cyl. (25”, 42” & 69” x 45”) engine by G. Clark Ltd., Sunderland. 383nhp.
10.3.1910: Launched by John Priestman & Company, Sunderland (Yard No. 128) for Prince Line Ltd., (J. Knott & Son, managers). 4.1910: Completed. 1914: Managers renamed as J. Knott, Sons & Company Ltd. 20.10.1916: Sold to Prince Line Ltd., (Furness, Withy & Company Ltd., managers), London. 30.8.1917: Whilst on a voyage from Philadelphia to London, with general cargo, was sunk with a torpedo by the German submarine U62, in a position 49.41N., 04.12W., 30 miles south of Eddystone Lighthouse with the loss of 5 of her crew .


EASTERN PRINCE (3)
O.N. 143071. 7,569g. 4,793n. 469.4 x 58.5 x 32.4 feet
T.3-cyl. (31½”, 50Ύ” & 82Ύ” x 55”) engine and low pressure turbine by the shipbuilder. 692nhp.
25.11.1915: Launched as ALTENFELS by J. C. Tecklenborg A. G., Wesermunde-G (Yard No. 269) for Deutsche Dampfschiffahrts-Gesellschaft “Hansa”, Hamburg. 1917: Completed. 1918: Condemned as a prize by Great Britain, Shipping Controller, (P. Henderson & Company, Glasgow, managers). 2.12.1920: Sold to Prince Line Ltd., (Furness, Withy & Company Ltd., managers). 5.1.1921: Renamed EASTERN PRINCE. 3.7.1926: British registry closed - sold Deutsche Dampfschiffahrts-Gesellschaft “Hansa”, Hamburg and renamed STOLZENFELS. 9.1939: Taken over by German Navy and renamed SPERRBRECHER No. 12. 20.3.1941: Exploded a mine and sank off Schiermonnikoog.


EASTERN PRINCE (4)
O.N. 161243. 10,926g. 6,499n. 496.2 x 64.9 x 35.4 feet.
Two, 4-cyl. 4 S.C.D.A. (680 x 1400mm) B&W DA4S type oil engines (No. K27) by J.G. Kincaid & Company Ltd., Greenock, geared to twin propeller shafts. 2,200nhp. 17kts.
29.1.1929: Launched by Napier & Miller Ltd., Glasgow (Yard No. 266) for Prince Line Ltd., (Furness, Withy & Company Ltd., managers). 6.1929: Completed. 20.12.1940: Whilst in Alexandra Dock, Liverpool, was bombed and set ablaze with the loss of 3 crew. 1947: Sold to the Ministry of Transport, London, (Prince Line Ltd., appointed as managers). 1950: Renamed EMPIRE MEDWAY. 25.11.1952: Arrived Faslane for demolition by Metal Industries Ltd.


EASTERN PRINCE (5)
O.N. 184284. 8,827g. 5,127n. 451.5 x 63.2 x 27.5 feet.
6-cyl. 2 S.C.S.A. (670 x 2320mm) Doxford 67LB6 type oil engine (No. 987) by the shipbuilder. 1,360nhp. 4,760bhp.
31.5.1950: Launched by Vickers-Armstrong Ltd., Newcastle (Yard No. 116) for Prince Line Ltd., (Furness, Withy & Company Ltd., managers). 10.1950: Completed. 1960 until 1964: Chartered to Shaw, Savill & Albion Company Ltd. and renamed BARDIC. 1964: Sold to Bibby Line Ltd., Liverpool and renamed STAFFORDSHIRE. 24.11.1970: Whilst on a voyage from Liverpool to Rangoon, suffered main machinery damage. 30.11.1970: Arrived at Colombo where upon inspection, vessel was declared as beyond economical repair. 6.3.1971: Arrived at Hong Kong for demolition.
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Old 9th May 2015, 10:27
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Thank you for your replies

With no other details on the bell, other than the Eastern Prince name, I wouldn't be able to confirm which ship it has come from. 1,2 and 3 are unlikely and I hadn't known of the 5th Eastern Prince. My bet would be on 4 but cannot be proved.

Aileen
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Old 9th May 2015, 19:49
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Fifty years with the Prince Line by Capt. Proctor

I remember reading the book in the 60's, and among many memorable passages one stands out. He was Second Mate and his ship had berthed in a NE coast port after a two year voyage. Quote: "The mate very kindly gave me the afternoon off to get married!" Must have been the last of the true believers!
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Old 24th March 2016, 18:54
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Hi. Have Just found these messages and would like info about Eastern Prince 4. Have discovered a hand-written notebook detailing voyages between New York and Trinidad/ Buenos Aires between 1929 and 1931. Am wondering if one of my relatives was a member of the crew? I come from a seafaring family. How can I find out?
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Old 24th March 2016, 19:14
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Any info on MV Eastern Prince,launched June 1929. I have a hand written notebook with details of voyages made between 1929-31 New York to Trinidad. I'd love to find out if a relative was a member of the crew? Thank you for your help.. My email is [email protected]
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Old 24th March 2016, 19:48
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re Eastern Prince

Hi Aileen. Have just found this thread and am trying to contact different members for information about the ship Eastern Prince (4). I have found a hand written notebook with details about her voyages (1929-1931) from New York to Trinidad. I don't know the history of the notebook but I'm wondering if one of my family was a member of the crew. I'm not computer literate, don't even know if you'll get this message! My email is [email protected]. Would love to hear the story of your bell. Best wishes, Theda Williams
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Old 19th May 2016, 20:30
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I joined the bardic in Falmouth 1963 ,I was gallery boy on it ,and remember badly burning my arm on it.the captain was captain Roberts and his wife was on the trip ,the chef cook was from wales and the second cook was maltese ,and did a round the world trip tramping, was paided off at Liverpool ,then it was renamed the Staffordshire.
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Old 20th September 2017, 20:17
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Bardic ex Eastern Prince

m.v. Bardic ex Eastern Prince

In answer to Doxford6 Post #1 , Bardic certainly had a Prince Line grey hull in 1961/62 when I sailed on her as an Engineer Cadet. True the funnel was SS&A colours but the feathers were still there.
Bardic was my first trip to sea. Did two voyages, both on a Slow Starvation & Agony charter. First a westbound circumnavigation to New Zealand and Australia and the second a reverse of the first. A wonderful experience for a first tripper. The likes of which were to disappear shortly with the onslaught of containerization. A final taste some 10 years later on a similar ship trading between USWC/Mexico to Japan and back.

That galley stove mentioned by John Callon, post #4 . A new stove was installed in March 1962 prior to my second voyage. This one used diesel fuel fed from a tank on the upper deck abaft No.3 Hatch with pipework down to the stove through the skylight trunking. During that second voyage the C/E had me up that trunking a couple of times in the evening after dinner at been completed tightening the compression couplings. Guess the passengers had complained!! I have vague recollections that the previous stove used fuel oil and that the 4/8 Donkeyman had to start the stove every morning.

A few names from those two voyages that I recall:

Les Allison, Chief Engineer,
Geoff, Tinker, Bell, 3/Eng
Sheridan I Lee, J/Eng
Tony Nesbit, J/Eng
I. Hill, Eng Cadet
J. MacCaskill, Eng Cadet
Rimmington, 3/Mate?
Sid Owens, Dk/Cadet
? Adams "
G.Brookes-Jones Dk.Cadet

? Rich, Master, 1st Voyage
G. Roberts, Master, 2nd Voyage

Other odd memories:
Being C/E's gofer whilst he took indicator cards.
Many hours packing glands on the steam winches.
Caulking the Ogee ring etc in the furnace of the thimble tube boilers.
The screaming Foden engines of the two generators, replacements for the original steam driven generators. The boilers were knackered. Were these Fodens surplus Admiralty stuff?
Loading lead etc at Port Pirie, where the railway ran down the middle of the main street, which resembled a cowboy movie set.
Baled wool stowed on the hatch covers, deck crew sleeping on top in the tropics, their accommodation, tween deck level, was right over the heated fuel tanks.
Not being allowed to purchase beer on board, I was 19 and my father kept a pub!!

Strangely have more memories of those 10/11 months then some of the subsequent 40 odd years in the industry.
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Old 20th September 2017, 20:42
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http://www.tynebuiltships.co.uk/E-Sh...rince1950.html
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Old 15th May 2018, 19:33
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Hi all! Does anyone remember any other details of this ship before it was sold to Shaw Savill? Any equipment, or other details, such as the manufacturer of boilers, engines, valves, pumps - any of those details? Many thanks
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Old 15th May 2018, 20:23
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Bardic ex Eastern Prince

Bardic was not sold to Shaw Savill but to Bibby.

I have some 12 pages in my Engineer Cadets Journal with a good number of details of the E.R. machinery including a hand drawn plan of the position of all items at bottom plate level.
Bear in mind these pages were complied in 1961/62
I would be happy to photocopy them and forward them to you unless you can propose an alternative.

David
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Old 16th May 2018, 15:02
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Eastern Prince.

Ah, David. Many, many an hour spent on the plates you sketched. I think you joined just after I left. No doubt under Les Allison.I got on well with him, although many did not. After 18 Mths as a Jnr with him and discharge and loading as 4th. Eng, he gave me a double Excellent discharge and my next job was 3rd Eng on the Maltese Prince. A bit of a hell ship. Happy days! Regards Ian S Campbell
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