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Old 4th October 2008, 00:09
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i must have sailed with you Celcis..........

as you say, both absolute gentlemen.
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Old 4th May 2009, 16:11
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Was on the PA as a deck boy/JOS/SOS on her second MANZ run between April 1963 to June 1964 away for 15 mths.
Great trip and an equally great crew only marred by my cabin mate Alan Sims [from Chartham in Kent] being drowned in Genoa Italy in the last port of call before we paid off in Glasgow.
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Old 25th October 2009, 13:28
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I remember her passing us in the St Lawence river when i was on the RMS Carmania.We were homeward bound she was inward Bob
Bob -
I wonder if the following photo link was the occasion you recall - it's a photo of "Carmania" I took from the "Alfred" in the St.Lawrence in the summer of 1966.
https://www.shipsnostalgia.com/galler...332/ppuser/978
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Old 8th November 2009, 02:08
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Sailed on PA when she was just converted to Masirsh. Perhaps not the best run - Brazil to Iraq with chicken and prawns.
However we lived in luxury - worked like hell and had probably the best times ever on the Brazilian coast. Typically Recife, Santos, Porto Alegre and top off in Rio with Itajai for the prawns. Some times we had some coffee in open stow but mostly frozen.
Freezer was Noxious - anyone remember him. All work done in the Shat Al Arab when discharging - main units, generator overhauls, winch repairs etc - everything completed in Irag typically in the river within Basra.Then on Brazilian coast it was a simple case of keeping the cargo watches going and everyone ashore on benders.Brlliant time and huge competition to win the black shield ???
Needless to say we had visitations from the beancounters and plan was to go single manned watches with dubious back up of a jury rigged alarm system. Fought it all the way but the guys basically gave in and took the easy way out and went home.
Characters I wil never forget - Wllie Horsley Junior second and Twiggy - could keeep an Allen T40 humming just by looking at it.
Went back a second time and the decay was well set in by that time. A crime really as the main machinery would have run for ever with bog standard care and attention.

Side rod counterweights were showing some signs of cracking by this time as well but they could be easily forge welded but they would not spend the money
where are they now these beancounters and what did they prove by selling our heritage.
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Uisdean
do you know what happened to Twiggy. Sailed with him in the PNP October 74 to March 75. I was 2/0 on the 4 to 8 and he kept the engines running below on the 4 to 8 but he would often stroll up to the bridge and help me with my chart corrections. Really liked him. He paid off with us all set to sit for His Seconds but seems to have disappeared. Hope you know something
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Old 8th November 2009, 09:54
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Sorry Baroona
I switched to Nigerian National after that and lost touch with most of the guys. Worked for Scottish Shipping for a while later on but never really got back to general cargo and the "interesting" runs.
Twiggy was a great bloke and a dedicated engineer but our paths never crossed again.
I do remember that the mate - Paul ? - left after a couple more runs. He had a young family and opened a pub/small hotel. The Station Hotel I think in Lymm - Cheshire. I did hear that Willie and Twiggs "assisted" the profits at the opening and may have visited a few times. Maybe worth looking up that contact if it is still there.Sorry cannot be of more help.

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Old 23rd January 2010, 15:26
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Last voyage as Port Alfred

I remember sailing on the last voyage as PA when we sailed to Durban for the conversion, it was a 4 month trip leaving Gibb and sailing to South America to the Gulf and back.
I have some old photos of crew I will dig them out and post them up on here
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Old 17th May 2010, 16:25
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I sailed on P.A. as Engineers steward, after joining her in New York in January 1967. My last trip to sea. We paid off in Liverpool in June '67 after a great trip. Nice ship and nice crew.

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Old 26th February 2012, 10:38
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Port Alfred/Masirah - Happy Times

I sailed on the Masirah early eighties, in fact I was on the voyage from New Plymouth to the Black Sea that the sparky referred to near the start of the thread. The captain he spoke to was John Oscroft I think. Lot of old Port Line guys in the engine room Willie Horsley, Chop Chop Wilson, Tim (Walter Mitty) Read was the Chief, Smoldering Bill Barlow was the lucky, I can't remember the refers name but he was a very short sighted Aussie I think we called him Mr. Magoo. I was a cadet but had the second lucky cabin. After the black sea we went to Malta for dry dock and then to Falmouth laid up next to the Chalmers and Caroline. Great ship, weeks in port the Merchant Navy was never the same again.
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Old 26th February 2012, 10:41
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Masirah

Just rembered Clive Sibbering replaced Willie Horsley as J2 and the fiver was Tommo.
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Old 26th February 2012, 13:38
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" a very short sighted Aussie I think we called him Mr. Magoo"

Don Hargreaves.

A Burnley born Australian who lived in Blackpool...........Commodore 3/Eng.

A smashing guy.

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Old 26th February 2012, 14:18
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And the tread keeps going. I sailed to Port Alfred in Shell Tanker Valvata,river was just starting to ice over.1968.Huge fall of snow that night of arrival. We had great snowball fights ashore with some of the locals,some great food and beers.not a bad place to be ashore.The snow made a a novelty for us after all the warm weather trips.
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Old 26th February 2012, 15:14
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Sailed to PAlfred in the Adelaide in the very early 50 s|(51/2)i think what a dump. French speaking and not a friendly face or word all the time we were there.
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Old 12th March 2012, 10:05
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Another reefer I just remembered

I just remembered the reefer that replaced Don Hargreaves was Watty Coutes. I also remember it said in the scrap log "when I knock on the pearly gates to saint Peter I will tell - I've sailed the seas with Sharples, I've done my time in hell". I think this was a reference to the Sharples super centrifuge the purifier that threw head races at you usually at about two in the morning.
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Old 12th March 2012, 14:52
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#38 Romney
Yes the headraces were a danger. There was usually a long handled broom or stick pretty close to the entrance to any purifier flat with them in. This was to hit the crash button from a distance as the bits flew around.

Re the super centrifuges - they were not the only penalty - there was also the Gravitrol - mentioned on other threads - which were tempramental to slightest changes in temp and viscosity. when you had indeterminate quality of bunkers it was sheer hell trying to keep these things going against an ever lowering day tank.

Bad feelings all round regarding Sharples

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Old 12th March 2012, 22:54
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In autumn 1978 I joined her as REO in Dubai and stayed there till leaving in Jeddah in spring 1979. She was on a SAMEL/CAMEL run and Vic Hunt was old man. We left the Gulf and proceeded to Durban to drydock. At Durban the articles were to be closed. Something must have been in the wind because on the way to Durban several crewmembers wanted me to send messages about signing on again in Durban. I seem to remember I couldn't accept any messages of this nature. It's a vague memory of industrial skulduggery, of things being kept quiet from the Seamen's Union. Then we were told that the crew (not the officers) would be signed off and sent home from Durban. The London office kept up the smokescreen until - fait accompli. And that's what happened. We got to Durban and they were packed off double quick. We went into drydock and their accommodation was virtually gutted. When the toilets were converted to standing types we knew the Brocklebank crew were on the way – the Indian crew change was completed by the time we sailed for Buenos Aires. I remember somebody took an order for t-shirts ashore and I got one with 'Port Alfred, London' on the chest and 'Masirah, Liverpool' on the back. Long since lost. Whether Port Alfred or Masirah she was a nice looking ship. We were in drydock for at least a sleepless week (the sandblasting seemed continuous). Apart from Vic Hunt whom I flew home with from Jeddah) I don't seem to remember any of the mates. Ken Mackenzie is a name I seem to remember (chief engineer, but he joined later). The Chief engineer, whose name I can't remember but who was there when I joined, I do well remember for a piece of summary justice he dispensed one night. We had two Nigerian cadets, perhaps one deck and the other engineer, (part of the deal Cunard Ship Management had made with Nigerian National) and these two lads were as chalk is to cheese, as sometimes happens. The one on deck was a really pleasant kid, the other might have had PhD in obnoxiousness. This one just didn't want to be on the ship and he made several attempts to get off but could make no headway with either CSM or the Nigerians. Then he must have thought he'd cracked it when he decided to do nocturnal runs round the accommodation wearing heavy boots. I don't remember how many times he tried it, probably not three. One night he set out and 'clump, clump, clump' echoed through the accommodation, followed by 'clump, clump ... dump ... scuttle – scuttle – scuttle'. Seemingly the chief had lain in wait and then, just as the miscreant was coming abreast of his cabin door, had leaned out and smacked him one full face on. It was the last of the nocturnals. I don't remember what happened afterwards. The freezer when I joined was Len Franzen who was, I believe, Swedish . I think he'd been a RN officer during WWII. He didn't like cooked cheese, amongst other things., When he left he too was replaced by a younger bloke from Deptford who had originally joined the MN to avoid National Service. I joined with a lecce from Plymouth, or nearby, with a problem which caused them to ship him back from Cape Town on the way back to the Gulf. His replacement was from south London and he prpbably had the same problem.We had a junior engineer from Devon surname Farquhar. There was another engineer from Tyneside with his wife. Twiggy (Phil) was 3rd. They were a good bunch. The itinerary was: Dubai - Durban () - Buenos Aires - Montevideo - a river port in Brazil south of Santos and north of Rio Grande (which was our last port of call) -Cape Town - Kuwait City – Qatar (or somewhere very close to it) – Jeddah. Qatar was memorable for two things: (1) expats who came on board were clearly slates-loose, their wives were bored and virtually barricaded in; (2) an American tugboat captain who appeared in the bar high on whisky and vallium after just his boat out of Iran, just in time – that was the week Khomenai took over and the Shah got out.
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Old 13th March 2012, 17:38
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In autumn 1978 I joined her as REO in Dubai and stayed there till leaving in Jeddah in spring 1979. She was on a SAMEL/CAMEL run and Vic Hunt was old man. We left the Gulf and proceeded to Durban to drydock. At Durban the articles were to be closed. Something must have been in the wind because on the way to Durban several crewmembers wanted me to send messages about signing on again in Durban. I seem to remember I couldn't accept any messages of this nature. It's a vague memory of industrial skulduggery, of things being kept quiet from the Seamen's Union. Then we were told that the crew (not the officers) would be signed off and sent home from Durban. The London office kept up the smokescreen until - fait accompli. And that's what happened. We got to Durban and they were packed off double quick. We went into drydock and their accommodation was virtually gutted. When the toilets were converted to standing types we knew the Brocklebank crew were on the way – the Indian crew change was completed by the time we sailed for Buenos Aires. I remember somebody took an order for t-shirts ashore and I got one with 'Port Alfred, London' on the chest and 'Masirah, Liverpool' on the back. Long since lost. Whether Port Alfred or Masirah she was a nice looking ship. We were in drydock for at least a sleepless week (the sandblasting seemed continuous). Apart from Vic Hunt whom I flew home with from Jeddah) I don't seem to remember any of the mates. Ken Mackenzie is a name I seem to remember (chief engineer, but he joined later). The Chief engineer, whose name I can't remember but who was there when I joined, I do well remember for a piece of summary justice he dispensed one night. We had two Nigerian cadets, perhaps one deck and the other engineer, (part of the deal Cunard Ship Management had made with Nigerian National) and these two lads were as chalk is to cheese, as sometimes happens. The one on deck was a really pleasant kid, the other might have had PhD in obnoxiousness. This one just didn't want to be on the ship and he made several attempts to get off but could make no headway with either CSM or the Nigerians. Then he must have thought he'd cracked it when he decided to do nocturnal runs round the accommodation wearing heavy boots. I don't remember how many times he tried it, probably not three. One night he set out and 'clump, clump, clump' echoed through the accommodation, followed by 'clump, clump ... dump ... scuttle – scuttle – scuttle'. Seemingly the chief had lain in wait and then, just as the miscreant was coming abreast of his cabin door, had leaned out and smacked him one full face on. It was the last of the nocturnals. I don't remember what happened afterwards. The freezer when I joined was Len Franzen who was, I believe, Swedish . I think he'd been a RN officer during WWII. He didn't like cooked cheese, amongst other things., When he left he too was replaced by a younger bloke from Deptford who had originally joined the MN to avoid National Service. I joined with a lecce from Plymouth, or nearby, with a problem which caused them to ship him back from Cape Town on the way back to the Gulf. His replacement was from south London and he prpbably had the same problem.We had a junior engineer from Devon surname Farquhar. There was another engineer from Tyneside with his wife. Twiggy (Phil) was 3rd. They were a good bunch. The itinerary was: Dubai - Durban () - Buenos Aires - Montevideo - a river port in Brazil south of Santos and north of Rio Grande (which was our last port of call) -Cape Town - Kuwait City – Qatar (or somewhere very close to it) – Jeddah. Qatar was memorable for two things: (1) expats who came on board were clearly slates-loose, their wives were bored and virtually barricaded in; (2) an American tugboat captain who appeared in the bar high on whisky and vallium after just his boat out of Iran, just in time – that was the week Khomenai took over and the Shah got out.
Must have followed you round Harry (#40)
Ken MacKenzie was there when i joined ( Itajai) in Brazil. Similar run except we were going up the river to Iraq ( Basrah) Reasonably long loading times in Brazil ( Recife, Santos, Rio, Porto Allegre, Itajai). Twiggy was still there and Willie Horsley too. Black Shield was actively competed for on the coast. I left when they further educed the crewing set up - single handed watches and some jury rigged alarm system which never worked properly. basically they were running her down to her last gasp before getting rid of her. I could never understand why the guys all voted to egt off as they were basically going home to no job. I did a few more runs out to Iraq and moved over to Scottish Ship Management then. A good ship badly treated in her old age.
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Old 15th March 2012, 00:05
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Thank you uisdean mor. Having looked at your profile it does seem we just missed each other, twice. First the 'Port Alfred' then the 'Oloibiri'. I could never remember the name of that river port in Brazil, of course it was Itajai. It was really good there, lots of really good South American vibes. I went to Oloibiri following Masirah, joined by launch at the the bottom of the Gulf with Brian Nuttall, master, round to Fos-sur-Mer then to Lisbon drydock (Almada) where she was got ready for Nigeria and the delta. That must be the hardship you mention. I would have gone down to Nigeria with her but I got so fed up with the situation in Lisbon that I resigned from R & E S and went free-lance eventually. Nuttall was a gentleman, I really enjoyed sailing with him. My wife joined us in Lisbon and got a six-week holiday from it, so I'm glad I didn't go to Nigeria. I'd been to Port Harcourt seventeen years earlier and understood it hadn't got better - and the crew on the Oloibiri didn't fill one with much hope either. Ken Mackenzie was a very popular chief as I remember. I think he came from Birkenhead. Twiggy was a good shipmate. I believe he had been married to a Brazilian girl and had a child, but that they both were killed in a traffic accident. Willie Horsley, the name is familiar but I can't place a face. I agree about the ship being badly treated. I'll give you an example of personal experience later. It needs to be prepared to get it right. It's a long time since.
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I did 4 trips in a row on the Alfred/Masirah.First joined in Jeddah,did the drydock in Durban etc.On watches all the time as had to run generator as dockyard couldn't supply enough amps, and no crew on board.
Usually joined in Brazil and left in SA 4 months later.
Have some 8mm film of the exhaust pistons going up and down. Also of the Brazilian ship we hit one time when leaving Santos.Went to bed when leaving, woke up for my watch and the ship was anchored at Hellfire Corner.Tom Swale was first trip chief for that incident.Most trips I remember the Mate was Andy Prichard.2/e Chop Chop. Twiggy and Willie Horsely only for the first trip. Bob Noxious the reefer.
I will be joining a ship next week in Spain.Run is BA,Montevideo, then Roi Grande,Paranagua,Santos and Itajai. Ship a bit bigger than the Masirah, 7500 containers.First time I will have been back to Brazil since 1980.

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Old 23rd November 2012, 10:52
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Masirah was my first ship, I joined in at Dubai 26 Nov 1979 as a Mach II. Sailed for 10 mths on the Gulf - Brazil route. This ship was quite eventful, the rescue of the 3 fishermen in the gulf waters, the rescue of the Canadian from his yacht in the south Atlantic, the ramming of the Itapura in Santos.
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What happened to the passenger accommodation, lounge and ar on the Alfred? When I said on her there was never a chance she would ever carry passengers again but the passenger accomm was kept in mothballs!
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Old 24th November 2012, 07:47
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The passenger longue was kept intact until I was on board, but I was given to understand that the Masirah had gone for some major accomodation changes (Crew).

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Thanks jjcp. Can't understand the logic of not utilising unused space onboard!

By the way, for others who knew Capt MHC Twomey, I posted a note of his death on obituaries. He had a stroke a couple of years ago in his home near Wetherby, Yorkshire. RIP
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Just posted a photo of Masirah entering Durban about 1979 or 80 in the gallery
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Just transferring my slides to computer. Here is one of the Alfred in Durban drydock.People I remember are Jim Copson, Andy Mikel, Twiggy and Willie Horsely.
Will be posting more in the gallery, or maybe in youtube or similar
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Old 5th February 2013, 00:29
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Hey BlueScouse , I bought that very same photo in Durban when I was on board as a cadet. I also bought a second photo of her about to enter the breakwater .. That brought back some memories !
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