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Old 13th March 2017, 20:43
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Hyer Lucy
Thanks for keeping up the information regarding PLANET lightship.
If you or anyone else with a wish to try and help out ref the ligthtship
Vs C and RT Please have a look at COMPANIES HOUSE on the net
and look at their latest filed yearly accounts.
C and RT are a so called "charity" with the chairman andrew leighton
being on 186,000 pounds a year. Some charity this is!!
They had to spend 25,000,000 pounds BEFORE they made a profit
(remember they are a charity)!! they also publish that no one at there trust is on less than 60 to 70 grand. (nice little number).
They also payed out 200,000, pounds to have the books audited
by Grant Thornton company.
Considering all this and they are fighting for 10k and another 4K from another suprised EX MN sailor with a boat and with 71 boats in the portfolio and many investments and seem to be having a "clear out" of the docks of anything related to the MN.
Also please look on Cand RT website and read their "Articles of Association". When you read these articles and relate it to what they have done to the Planet lightship I am sure you would agree
that they are NOT doing what they have written and are going completely opposite to what they are preaching!! Think this should be brought to the attention of the Charity commissioners and
public. you must remember the owners do not have money to pay for Solicitors (as opposed to C aqnd RT trust) who have lots of money and like to spend it on solicitors letters.
question. are they allowed to spend donated money for looking after the waterways of the land. ??????? if so how can this be a CHARITY ????????
If anyone knows or has a Solicitor son or daughter or knows a friend who is a Solicitor please ask them to have a look at the
mentioned documents and see if C and RT can be brought before the courts .
If you know the fellow who is helping Alan Roberts please pass this info to him (the guy on website) that Lucy put the link to.
best regards freddythefrog
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Old 14th March 2017, 23:11
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The radio station that was set up on Planet Lightship has apparently relocated now to an old tug in the same neck of the woods.

Their site has been updated showing photo of old Planet and one of the old tug plus the radio team.

Worth reading the stories on this site. Three are about British Monarch in 50s at the same time as 2/e was Victoria Drummond.

Also modern SOS ship story and WW2 convoy ship SOS story.

Link for Site below

http://www.mrmsw.co.uk/

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Old 11th April 2017, 20:53
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Update on Plane, the old Liverpool Bar Lightship and her fate.

Article Liverpool Echo 10th April

Mersey Bar lightship Planet is being sold - and won't be returning to Liverpool

Mersey Bar lightship Planet is being sold - and won't be returning to Liverpool
Canal & River Trust says ship will be restored - but campaigners call sale an "absolute disaster"

15:40, 10 APR 2017Updated15:57, 10 APR 2017 News
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Liverpool's historic Mersey Bar lightship looks set to be sold to a new owner who plans to restore her – but she won’t be returned to Liverpool.

The Canal and River Trust, which seized the Planet from Canning Dock last September after a dispute over unpaid fees, confirmed it has accepted an offer for the ship.

It said it had not received any credible offers from potential buyers in Liverpool and it was important to ensure the vessel had a viable future.

Campaigners had urged the Trust to ensure the ship’s return to Merseyside and called the potential sale a “sorry saga” and a disaster.

Peter Elson, spokesman for Merseyside Civic Society (MCS), said: “The loss of the world famous Mersey Bar lightship Planet is an absolute disaster for Liverpool and its World Heritage Site, which was awarded by UNESCO for its mercantile seaport status.

“The lightship Planet is the most important historic Liverpool and Merseyside ship afloat.

“Liverpool has few historic ships given its incredible status as the former second city and first seaport of the British Empire. The late Captain Robin Woodall, former commander of Cunard Line flagship QE2, called Planet ‘The lantern on Liverpool’s front door, recognised by seafarers the world over’.

“Now it seems the Mersey has lost this light forever.”

The society claimed the Trust had indicated the lightship would be returned to Liverpool and said it was a “lamentable situation”.

The ship was towed away from its berth in Canning Dock, next to the Strand, after a row over unpaid mooring fees and was later advertised for sale for £100,000.

But the sale of Planet, which is currently in Gloucester docks, was put on hold in December after a huge campaign , led by Merseyside Civic Society, to bring her back to Liverpool.

It is not known how much the ship has been sold for, but the Trust said the new owner planned to restore her before making her available for sale.


It said it had accepted an offer for the ship and the sale was now progressing, but said potential buyers in Liverpool could still come forward.

Jonathan Brown, of Liverpool website Share the City, who worked on the Save the Planet campaign, accused the Trust of letting Liverpool down and said Planet should never have been taken away.

He added: “Liverpool’s defining artwork of European Capital of Culture 2008 by Ben Johnson included the Planet lightship in his panoramic cityscape and now thanks to the Canal & River Trust the vessel is gone.

“The Canal & River Trust has taken the ship, but not taken responsibility for their actions. They say this is a gain, but it’s a huge loss for Liverpool.”

The lightship’s last owner Alan Roberts maintains he has paid the disputed £10,000 bill for mooring fees.

He was later told he owned a further amount for storage and removal costs, with the total figure understood to be around £56,000.

Chantelle Seaborn, waterway manager at the Canal & River Trust, said: “We’re pleased that we’ve received interest in Planet and that she will be renovated.

“Whilst we’ve not had any interest from someone in Liverpool wanting to buy and return Planet to the city, hopefully there may be interest when the boat has been restored.

“The most important outcome is that she has a viable future.”

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The Thunderboats site Planet thread (label is given on page one of this thread) has new postings today on p50 giving more info/comments.on what has happened.

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Old 28th May 2017, 01:48
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Planet light ship sold by C and RT for 12.5k

Account on The floater site 25th May label

http://www.thefloater.org/the-floate...for-just-12500

Also detailed account on the Thunderboats site planet lightship impounded thread page 52 (dated 22nd May)- page 58

http://thunderboat.boards.net/thread...sterday?page=1
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Old 29th May 2017, 20:33
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Today's Liverpool Echo, 29 May 2017 has article on Liverpool Bar Planet Lightship's fate.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/...-12500-1310402

Liverpool's Planet Lightship has been sold for just £12,500 – but the bitter dispute has left its former owner facing a bill for over £40,000 and threatening to report the ship as stolen.

In April the Canal and River Trust, which seized the Planet from Canning Dock last September after a row over unpaid fees, confirmed it had accepted an offer for the famous red ship.

It has now confirmed the sale, which the ECHO understands was for £87,500 less than its advertised price of £100,000.

The row started over a disputed bill of less than £10,000 and former owner Alan Roberts has been told that after the proceeds of the sale, he still owes the Trust £43,576.49 – including the cost of removing the ship from Liverpool and storing her at Gloucester docks.

Mr Roberts called the sale “absolutely disgraceful” and he was reporting the Trust to police for theft.

In an email from the Trust to Mr Roberts, seen by the ECHO, it said £12,500 was the “highest and only offer” there had been for the lightship.

It said it believed he had “engaged in actions that generated adverse publicity relating to the vessel and its removal from Liverpool Docks”, which had put off potential purchasers.
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The departure of Mersey Bar Lightship vessel Planet from Liverpool as she is towed away from Canning Dock (Photo: Colin Lane)

The email, from contracts lawyer Thami Nomvete, added: “This sum falls far short of the costs we incurred as consequence of your failure to comply with the berthing Agreement, but we could not remain in possession of the vessel indefinitely and had to take the steps we have taken, to prevent any further costs being incurred by the Trust in relation to the vessel.”

Mr Roberts said: “She was sold for £12,500 – absolutely disgraceful. Just the ropes were worth that. They have deprived our city of one of the three graces of the sea and part of our maritime history.”
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He said the ship belonged in Liverpool, called the sale “unjust” and added: “I will bring her home to our city”.

In documents seen by the ECHO, the Trust says Mr Roberts has paid an outstanding amount of £5,686 for berthing fees dating back to 2014.

But the additional costs include £2660 for berthing fees from 2016, £1250 for liability insurance and £5520 for storing the ship at Sharpness docks in Gloucester.

The Canal & River Trust said the lightship would undergo restoration work and it understood it would then be offered for resale – which it said had secured the ship’s future.
Mersey Bar Lightship vessel Planet (Photo: Colin Lane)

Chantelle Seaborn, waterway manager at the Trust, said: “I am pleased that Planet is looking at a viable future.

“Hopefully a business, group or individual in Liverpool is able to step forward and purchase the renovated Lightship and bring her back to Liverpool under new management when she goes back on the market.”
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In a further statement, it said: “Taking control of Planet was a difficult decision that had to be made after many attempts to resolve a number of issues with the owner.

“These included serious health and safety breaches as well as non-payment of berthing fees.
The departure of Mersey Bar Lightship vessel Planet from Liverpool (Photo: Colin Lane)
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“She was on the market for many months, and having had enquiries and interest, the Trust accepted the highest offer – which was from someone who plans to restore her rather than break her up for scrap.”

The sale of Planet was put on hold in December after a huge campaign , led by Merseyside Civic Society, to bring her back to Liverpool.

Campaigners had urged the Trust to ensure the ship’s return to Merseyside and called the sale a “sorry saga” and a disaster.
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Old 29th May 2017, 21:04
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Thanks for keeping us up to date on this saga.

I would surely like to see her returned to Liverpool, and I suppose I live in hope.

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Old 30th May 2017, 02:40
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Unfortunately, C&RT suffers from problems associated with many organisations of its type; far too many ‘Personalities’ far too little business acumen.
Its predecessor, British Waterways, effectively a state organisation, had similar management shortcomings, problems which resulted in what was in the end, basically, financial collapse – a problem which may have influenced the decision making of C&RT.
The major achievements of BW, especially in the North West, the ‘Ribble Link’, the ‘Pier Head Cut’ and restoration of the Anderton Lift happened principally as a result of the actions of ‘Pressure Groups’ and ‘Volunteer Organisations’, often against strongly worded opposition from BW.
The inability of C&RT, and other organisations involved, to create a successful commercial operation based on ‘Planet’ in its Liverpool location was quite jaw-droppingly astounding but it does underscore the lack of management skill that is often associated with structures of this type.
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If we don't preserve lightships and lighthouses, how will today's and future generations of children know how we kept our coastlines safe.

Preserving a lightship is as important as preserving a destroyer. When sailors saw the lightship twinkling away, they knew they were home.
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Old 30th May 2017, 14:23
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Page 59 and p 60 of Thunderboats site planet lightship impounded, thread has some recently pisted interesting info. There is a statement written by owner. Also mention of a national newspaper (was broadsheet) reporter interested in story on C and RT. If they managed to get an investigative journalist from a reputable national newspaper to take the case up it may open doors.

Link for site mentioned above with the recent posts on p59 and p60

http://thunderboat.boards.net/thread...sterday?page=1
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If we don't preserve lightships and lighthouses, how will today's and future generations of children know how we kept our coastlines safe.

Preserving a lightship is as important as preserving a destroyer. When sailors saw the lightship twinkling away, they knew they were home.
I refer you to my post #14 on this very thread.
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Old 30th May 2017, 23:16
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This sale of Planet Lightship for 12.5K is a joke!
Cand RT knew the scrap price of approx 70k, so why did they as a so called Bunch of business men sell for 12.5K and therefore lose around
58K!!! Not much of business acumen in that. Make a nice LOSS and still call themselves a CHARITY???, It seems to be run by a bunch of
of brutish mafiosa in a ivory tower in Milton Keynes who have no interest at all in anything to do with Merchant Navy.They also spend lots of donated money to their own solicitors who like to make unthruthful and silly threatening solicitors letters.
All they have done is to STITCH UP the owner Alan Roberts
and to remove his ship and also give him a bill for another 40K or more. Are the people on here going to let These C and RT people get away with this behaviour come on there must be someone out there with a solicitor who needs to look at the companies house of there annual report and see how they are breaking the rules of their own mandate in the article of associations and get the charity commissioners to look into there so called charity and get them closed down and disgraced in the media.
Please ask C and RT the name of the so called new owner.
I bet it will be one of there own colleagues who bought it and also is the new owner going to pay the berthing fees in Sharpness???
I think NOT.!!
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Old 18th June 2017, 01:49
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The current issue of Private Eye has following article.


No.1446 16-29 June 2017
Page 37. 'Canal and River Trust' 'Planet dearth'

Liverpool's historic Planet lightship has been sold off to an unnamed buyer for less than half what the Canal and River Trust (CRT) spent on towing it away from Canning Dock (see Eye 1434) - while the charity's right to sell the vessel at all remains hotly disputed.

Correspondence seen by the Eye reveals that the CRT sold Planet for £12,500, significantly less than the estimated £70,000 scrap price given in a formal valuation last year, let alone its value as the last manned lightship to have worked in UK waters and a long-standing feature of the Liverpool waterfront.


The trust blamed Planet's owner Alan Roberts (pictured) for the price, saying his efforts to gain publicity over the removal of his boat had "the effect if putting off potential purchasers". It is still trying to bill Mr Roberts a further £43,000 for the cost of moving Planet to Sharpness, plus storage and legal costs related to the sale.

Mr Roberts had been running a cafe on the boat, as well as hosting a small volunteer-run maritime radio museum. In April 2016 the CRT sent him a "boat removal notice" over £3,500 in berthing fees owed to the trust, which manages Canning Dock, a tourist hotspot between the Merseyside Maritime Museum and the Museum of Liverpool. "We would be disappointed if the Light Ship were to leave [Liverpool] given its historic links to the area, wrote CRT manager Chantelle Seaborn in the letter.

The CRT's subsequent actions did not bear this out. Although the berthing fee issue was being resolved in the county court (the bill has since been paid), the trust claimed it had the right to remove and sell Planet under the terms of its berthing agreement, and that it could pass on all the costs of this to Mr Roberts. Last September it seized Planet and towed it to distant Sharpness, near Gloucester.

The tug boat alone cost £14,000, with extra costs for the likes of insurance and passage planning to take Planet out to sea. This also meant Mr Roberts now faced double that vast cost in order to reclaim his vessel and have it towed back.

Having racked up silly costs over the row and then sold Planet for a pittance, the CRT is now likely to be out of pocket. Seaborn said in a statement last month that the buyer would do some restoration work and then offer Planet for resale. "Hopefully a business, group or individual in Liverpool is able to step forward and purchase the renovated lightship and bring her back to Liverpool under new management," she said. Thanks to the CRT, though, there's no guarantee of Planet returning to the city.

Mr Roberts says he believes the CRT intended from the outset to deprive him permanently of his ship and is planning legal action with the help of no-win-no-fee lawyers.
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Very pleased to see Planet owner Alan Roberts has managed to get a Solicitor on a no win--no fee basis.
I certainly hope the C and RT get their just deserts and that Planet can be brought back to where she belongs in Liverpool.
Regards to all 73's de FTF
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There is fresh info on recent pages of Thunderboats site - Planet lightship impounded thread.
Currently at page 68.

New info from page 63 to 68 regarding recent communications.

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http://thunderboat.boards.net/thread...terday?page=68
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A few days ago the Thunderboats site Planet Lightship Impounded thread sprung to life again. The thread been quiet after top two posts on p69 for a time. Now the truth has emerged regarding new owner who is talking and posts carry onto p70.

Turns ou tbe new owner owns the dock where she is berthed.

Labels for page 69 and 70 below.

http://thunderboat.boards.net/thread...terday?page=69

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So, excuse me for being a bit dim ...... what exactly is going on ?
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Hello Bob
I assume you already know that Planet was towed away and is now in Sharpness docks.
The owner Alan Roberts is taking legal action against 4 or 5 of the people from Canal and river trust for alleged fraud taking away Planet was done under hand and by lying about they had a high court writ to seize the vessl and the crew taking her away were 'bailiffs; WHEN THEY WERE NOT.Deception was the name of the game by C and R/T!!!
Apparently the summonses have been sent out to the 4 or 5 people already and are awaiting a day in court to be granted.
Alan has now got a solicitor to try and sort them out on a no win no fee basis.They also sold the Planet for 12point five thousand when the actual scrap value was around the 70K mark and it turns out the guy who bought it is the dock manager for Sharpness docks, one for the boys, smells of brown envelopes to me!!
The C and R/T have tried to stitch up the owner Alan Roberts.
Alan actually has all the paperwork as to him being the owner
of Planet. He wants to try and get his lightship back and returned to Liverpool. The Cand R/T sold it when they were NOT the owners
Still an ongoing case also Cand R/T.s solicitor has now done a runner to work elsewhere as she was also allegedly involved with lying on behalf of C and R/T.
If you carry on looking for the updates from LUCY you will be more in the picture of the progress of this case.
Please look on the thunderboats site that Lucy has high lighted previously. Hope this helps you Bob.
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Thanks to you and Lucy for keeping us up to date. I apologise for my glazed over eyes the minute the legalities of disputes start to get beyond me.
Keep up the good work.
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To add to Bob's comments, I really hope Alan succeeds and I look forward to seeing her back in Liverpool. I was in Liverpool a couple of weeks ago at the Albert Dock and looked across at her berth and wondered if we'd see her again.
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Many thanks to Bob and RHP for kind comments.
We too hope to see Planet back in Liverpool----some day!!
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We too hope to see Planet back in Liverpool----some day!!
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If you click on label below and read end page 70 and 071, you will see link on one of the posts. This will take you to press release informing that the C and RT manager for Northwest who evicted Planet has left. Also another who was involved who worked at the Milton Keyes base has left too. The Northwest manager who has left has apparently been a director of Liverpool Waterfront business Partnership CIC for just over 6 months.

Planet is still in Sharpness docks. Her fate decided by the end of this month.

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I must admit to having been lethargic as to the fate of the lightship Planet.

I have a vivid recollection of her being removed from station at the Bar, some forty years ago, at a time when the last thing on anybody's mind was investment in the tourist trade or the tarting up of Albert Dock and everything which has followed from that sea-change in events. The transformation in the commerce of Liverpool is now clear for all to sea.

What has never changed is Liverpool's willingness, from its position on the Celtic fringe, to challenge public corruption wheever it might arise. On reading this thread I wish every success to those who now seek to save the Planet. Nobody could deny that she was an asset to everything else at Albert Dock, the Maritime Museum and everything else in the present economy.
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This text below has been copied and pasted from radio group site with Stan's permission.
The radio group were on Planet Lightship up until tbe time the vessel was towed away. They are now on tug Francis Haywood moored in Liverpool docks.

Below text written by Stan M.

To Whom it May Concern

I have been connected with the Planet Lightship for a very long time.

I serviced her Radio Beacon in my working days for Marconi through the sixties and seventies.
right up to her removal to join Trinity House.

When the Mersey Light vessel preservation Society was formed I was put forward and accepted as the Chairman of that society, a charity which strived to raise the funds to buy the vessel
Luckily for us , as far as I am concerned, we did not win . I for one would have been dead through stress with all the problems the new owners have been presented with.

Luckily for us, two others stepped forward and took on the challenge .

Gary McClarnan was the first to take the helm.

After carrying out changes and repairs to the vessel he finally sailed it into the Albert Dock, I was there, it was the greatest day of my life. He put his all into the task and managed to keep going for two years –.
The powers in charge wanted to know what a Lightship was doing in the Albert Dock, Little did they know it and its sisters had been the gateway to the Port of Liverpool.

He gave up and put it up for sale.

When it went up for sale we were so worried that it would end up in some distant port.

We even wrote a letter to the Town hall, and you would not believe the trouble we had to hand it in,
Thankfully the guys on the door where ex seafarers and passed it through.
But nothing happened

Luckily for us a new guy took up the challenge because he was a Liverpudlian and he passionately wanted it to stay in Liverpool. This was Alan Roberts, a Steel preservation specialist, Property owner plus a taxi Business.
Gary could have received more for the Planet but believed Alan was the best choice. He was a Liverpudlian to the core and believed in the symbol of the Lightship.
He was supposed to have a partner but they disappeared soon after he took over. Alan and his family battled through on their own.

Alan has survived for eight years, gone has his property business and his Taxi outfit, the stress has broken his marriage, he now has his house up for sale. What more can a man do to try and keep our Lightship. It costs him nearly five thousand a year to keep the ship in the dock, for this he got Nothing, No Water, No Electricity, No Sewerage or Garbage disposal. All has to be paid by himself.

It is shown on publicity for the Port of Liverpool and was in the original plans for the Albert Dock and it was the gate way to the Port.
All this has not taken into consideration. He never received any help.

He has fallen behind with the berthing dues, for which they wanted nearly ten thousand pounds.
He has tried to the best of his ability but the stress and the ability to raise funds had gone, the strain has wrecked his health.

I went to a Sunday Sea Service recently, luckily for us Cannon Bob Evans was there and he told us about the new seafarers , there are so few of them on board that they have their meals on their own. The majority are from the Philippines, but other nationalities from the Third and Fourth world are there. They are very lonely.

They don’t have the facilities we had with crews of 35 on a five thousand ton tramp and the like. eating together in the saloon or mess room and the camaraderie we had
We sometimes did long trips, normal 18 months or two year articles but we saw the world and the team worked together. If the Cabin Boy was missing it wasn’t the same.
Our predecessors saved us twice during two world wars.

We would like to remember these things before we pop off this planet and leave some history of what it was like. The Planet Lightship was to be that link to future generations to remember the “British Merchant Navy”

Do we throw in the towel now and forget and be dynasours of the past and loose that vital link to a service that built this City and the United Kingdom.

Please have a good think!

Stan McNally
Planeteer President

P.S. And the last owner “Alan Roberts “ if he is not to carry on, be given the Cities extreme thanks and a golden hand shake for all his hard work. Not many people would single handedly strive to save such a symbol of our past.

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