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Old 9th December 2017, 01:01
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It's extremely sad.

What's the way forward Lucy, what's the plan.
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This text below has been copied and pasted from radio group site with Stan's permission.
The radio group were on Planet Lightship up until tbe time the vessel was towed away. They are now on tug Francis Haywood moored in Liverpool docks.

Below text written by Stan M.

To Whom it May Concern

I have been connected with the Planet Lightship for a very long time.

I serviced her Radio Beacon in my working days for Marconi through the sixties and seventies.
right up to her removal to join Trinity House.

When the Mersey Light vessel preservation Society was formed I was put forward and accepted as the Chairman of that society, a charity which strived to raise the funds to buy the vessel
Luckily for us , as far as I am concerned, we did not win . I for one would have been dead through stress with all the problems the new owners have been presented with.

Luckily for us, two others stepped forward and took on the challenge .

Gary McClarnan was the first to take the helm.

After carrying out changes and repairs to the vessel he finally sailed it into the Albert Dock, I was there, it was the greatest day of my life. He put his all into the task and managed to keep going for two years –.
The powers in charge wanted to know what a Lightship was doing in the Albert Dock, Little did they know it and its sisters had been the gateway to the Port of Liverpool.

He gave up and put it up for sale.

When it went up for sale we were so worried that it would end up in some distant port.

We even wrote a letter to the Town hall, and you would not believe the trouble we had to hand it in,
Thankfully the guys on the door where ex seafarers and passed it through.
But nothing happened

Luckily for us a new guy took up the challenge because he was a Liverpudlian and he passionately wanted it to stay in Liverpool. This was Alan Roberts, a Steel preservation specialist, Property owner plus a taxi Business.
Gary could have received more for the Planet but believed Alan was the best choice. He was a Liverpudlian to the core and believed in the symbol of the Lightship.
He was supposed to have a partner but they disappeared soon after he took over. Alan and his family battled through on their own.

Alan has survived for eight years, gone has his property business and his Taxi outfit, the stress has broken his marriage, he now has his house up for sale. What more can a man do to try and keep our Lightship. It costs him nearly five thousand a year to keep the ship in the dock, for this he got Nothing, No Water, No Electricity, No Sewerage or Garbage disposal. All has to be paid by himself.

It is shown on publicity for the Port of Liverpool and was in the original plans for the Albert Dock and it was the gate way to the Port.
All this has not taken into consideration. He never received any help.

He has fallen behind with the berthing dues, for which they wanted nearly ten thousand pounds.
He has tried to the best of his ability but the stress and the ability to raise funds had gone, the strain has wrecked his health.

I went to a Sunday Sea Service recently, luckily for us Cannon Bob Evans was there and he told us about the new seafarers , there are so few of them on board that they have their meals on their own. The majority are from the Philippines, but other nationalities from the Third and Fourth world are there. They are very lonely.

They don’t have the facilities we had with crews of 35 on a five thousand ton tramp and the like. eating together in the saloon or mess room and the camaraderie we had
We sometimes did long trips, normal 18 months or two year articles but we saw the world and the team worked together. If the Cabin Boy was missing it wasn’t the same.
Our predecessors saved us twice during two world wars.

We would like to remember these things before we pop off this planet and leave some history of what it was like. The Planet Lightship was to be that link to future generations to remember the “British Merchant Navy”

Do we throw in the towel now and forget and be dynasours of the past and loose that vital link to a service that built this City and the United Kingdom.

Please have a good think!

Stan McNally
Planeteer President

P.S. And the last owner “Alan Roberts “ if he is not to carry on, be given the Cities extreme thanks and a golden hand shake for all his hard work. Not many people would single handedly strive to save such a symbol of our past.

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Hello Lucy and Stan
Nice to hear the latest on the Planet saga.
Good luck to Alan Roberts in his quest to get his PLANET LIGHTSHIP BACK TO LIVERPOOL
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Update today ln Planet lightship ftom Alan Robert's representative Tkny Dunkerly. Tgey have been posted on Thunderboats sitecl p72
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There's some good news on "Planet" to bring a bit of Christmas cheer for Alan Roberts, and everyone who has given their support since this disgraceful episode began just over 15 months ago, on the morning of the 19th of September 2016.

The mug man chosen and appointed by C&RT back in the Summer to play the part of of the 'new owner' of "Planet", Steve Beacham of Sharpness Shipyard, has been in negotiations with several parties over the last few weeks with a view to finalizing a sale by yesterday, the 23rd of December. One of these parties had previously expressed an interest in buying the ship when it was first advertised at £100,000 in the early part of this year by C&RT's pet boat snatchers, Criminal Commercial Boat Services, on the Boat and Outboards internet brokerage website, but withdrew after obtaining legal advice, including Counsel's opinion, which confirmed that ownership of and title to the ship had at all times remained with Alan Roberts, primarily as a consequence of the unwarranted, unauthorized and illegally executed seizure, the unlawful removal from Liverpool and the Mersey, and the subsequent unlawful detention in Sharpness.

We know for certain that this same advice has recently been passed on to Beacham in a lengthy exchange of e-mails with the same interested party, in which it was explained to him that the signed and sealed Bill of Sale that C&RT have provided him with isn't worth the paper it's written on because the chain of legitimate transfer of title (to the ship) ends with the Bill of Sale that Alan Roberts acquired with the ship when he bought it in 2009. Despite having been made aware of the fact that he was in the process of selling someone else's property, Beacham elected to proceed with finalizing the sale by 23 December, reliant entirely on the worthless and fraudulent BoS supplied to him by C&RT's own shithouse 'in house' lawyers as the sole means of passing on good title to the next buyer.

Consequent to the above, I sent the following e-mail to Beacham a week ago yesterday : -

FAO. Steve Beacham, Sharpness Shipyard & Drydock Ltd.

Dear Sir,

It has come to the notice of the rightful owner of the above named vessel, Mr Alan Roberts of Liverpool, that you are in negotiations with a number of parties with a view to selling his ship to them. Mr Roberts is also aware that one of these interested parties has made numerous attempts to alert you to the fact that 'Planet' is not yours to sell, and that the Bill of Sale with which you have been furnished by Canal & River Trust is a fraudulent and worthless document.

The party who has attempted to alert you to the illegality of what you are doing is of the opinion that you may well have become innocently involved in the conspiracy put into operation in Liverpool on the morning of 19 September 2016 with the intention permanently to deprive Mr Roberts of his ship. It has been noted, however, that thus far in your talks and negotiations with potential buyers you have failed to mention or produce any documentation establishing a bona fide and uninterrupted record of documentation transferring ownership and title from Mr Roberts to the sellers named on your fraudulent and worthless Bill of Sale. For this and other reasons, Mr Roberts and I are inclined to take quite the opposite view, and we believe that you are and have been a willing participant in this criminal conspiracy from the day of inception.

The time has come, Mr Beacham, for you to make a decision. Either you continue to stand by your co-conspirators in this matter, or you belatedly recognize the fact that they have set you up for a fall, and join with Mr Roberts in assisting him in the recovery his ship. Should you wish to make direct contact with Mr Roberts or his lawyers, you may do so by first contacting me via e-mail at any time during the very short period remaining to you to extract yourself from the invidious position in which you have been placed by the Canal & River Trust.

Yours faithfully,

A.K.Dunkley (Shipowner's Representative)

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There was no response to the above e-mail, so yesterday morning I got to work on arrangements to seize and re-possess the ship during the Christmas/New Year break. As the only way to get access to "Planet" would be by water, I made arrangements over the phone for launching a RIB (with sufficiently little air-draught to pass under the Dock Road swingbridge at Sharpness without it having to be swung off) into the G & S canal close to Sharpness Dock. Having done that, I then phoned the port operators (Victoria Group) and told the Port Manager (Garry Strickland) what we intended to do, and why we were having to do it. The reaction to this, from all of the several different sources it came from, was in itself worthy of the telling, but I'll save that up for later. The gist of it was that we would not be given permission to enter the port, were strongly advised against so doing, and that Sharpness Shipyard would be advised of our intentions. I confirmed that we would not be taking their advice, by way of the following e-mail, copied to Beacham and Gloucestershire Police, and sent around mid-afternoon :-

FAO. Mr Garry Strickland.

Dear Mr Strickland,

Further to our telephone conversation of earlier today and to advise you of the intentions of the rightful owner of the above named ship, Mr Alan Roberts, I can confirm that Mr Roberts plans to re-possess his ship at sometime during the next few days. The repossession will be during daylight hours, at a time and date yet to be fixed.

The Gloucestershire Police will be asked to attend and will be re-acquainted and brought up to date with all aspects of the continuing unlawful detention of and attempts to sell the ship by Sharpness Shipyard and/or the Canal & River Trust.

As a consequence of access to the ship via the wharf gates in the northwest corner of the Dock being denied, boarding will be accomplished from a small boat with sufficiently low air-draft to enter the Dock from the canal without the need to swing Dock Road bridge.

For your information, I will forward a copy of an e-mail sent to Steve Beacham on Friday 15 Dec 2017 immediately following this transmission.

Best Regards,

A.K.Dunkley (Shipowner's Representative)

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. . . . . . and there, I thought, the matter would end until we arrived in Sharpness to board and repossess the ship.

Much to my amazement, however, at a few minutes past eight that night I got a quite remarkable e-mailed letter from a, apparently, much changed and now conciliatory Mr Beacham stating that the next day's sale of the ship would not be going ahead, and suggesting that we should suspend hostilities over Christmas and New Year pending a meeting with Alan Roberts and his representatives at which he hoped that mutually beneficial outcome for all concerned could be achieved.
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Old 24th December 2017, 20:30
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Hello Lucy

Now that sounds a bit of better news and hopefully will posibly
have a good outcome after the xmas holidays.
Keep up the good work! Tnx lucy
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Old 25th December 2017, 21:18
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There are further posts on Thunderboats site Planet lightship impounded thread posted today 25th Dec re Planet Saga end page 72 and beginning page 73.

There is a suggestion in a post top of page 73 that people write to Sharpness shipyard owner (his email address the blog states is apparently easily found by googling) who Planet was sold to by C and RT. If it was constructive suggestions and stressing the importance of ex Liverpool Bar lightship Planet to Liverpool phrased in a polite constructive way it might not harm.

End page 72 posts

http://thunderboat.boards.net/thread...terday?page=72

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What a story Tony, would there finally be a possible 'happy" outcome to this ever so terribly smelly story ?
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What you wrote sounds hopefull, but I won't scream of happiness until it's really over, and that Alan Roberts has recuperated his "Planet".

I've had several seemingly hopefull happy endings of some nasty things that happened, but even with all the promisses that were made, it never ended happy.

I hope that in this case it's going to be successful, that would be a great start of the new year, but if it happens, where will he find a mooring for "Planet"?

Hoping for the best,

Peter.
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Assuming I have kept up to date on this, there is still have the problem of CRT's claimed costs to settle. Had these been paid he would have got the boat back a long time ago. So even if they were to agree he still owns the boat, I can't see them releasing it until this is paid or a court orders them to. Still hope it does go well for him.
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Assuming I have kept up to date on this, there is still have the problem of CRT's claimed costs to settle. Had these been paid he would have got the boat back a long time ago. So even if they were to agree he still owns the boat, I can't see them releasing it until this is paid or a court orders them to. Still hope it does go well for him.

But CRTs costs were self inflicted.
My cynical mind thinks they merely couldn't be arsed to deal with it over Christmas or CRTs legal lot already broke for Christmas and the reply is simple stalling until the original position resumes in the new year.
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Yes I would be worried that it’s just a deception to avoid hassle over Christmas. Come the new year he’ll probably back-pedal.
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Yes I would be worried that it’s just a deception to avoid hassle over Christmas. Come the new year he’ll probably back-pedal.
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My thoughts as well, he is up to something, I wouldn't take it at face value.
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TonyDunkley Is the email verifiable to being from Mr Beacham, do you have previous emails from that address that you know with certainty came from Beacham and you mention a letter is it sign fully? If so the courts would take it as a letter of promise to enter into negotiations with Mr Roberts after Christmas. I would be asking him for a date of such meeting and where.

And page 73 posts

http://thunderboat.boards.net/thread...terday?page=73
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I found Steve Beacham's e-mail address easily. Anyone here can do the same and write to him expressing their opinion of him, and suggesting ways of him 'doing the right thing'.
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The Russian Mafia wouldn't stand for this old tripe. Anyone friendly with a rich oligarch?
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Old 26th December 2017, 20:01
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Planet lightship write up Oct 2017 in narrowboat world gives quiteca good synopsis.
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http://narrowboatworld.com/10279-investment-or-what


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Published: Thursday, 19 October 2017

IT IS NOW more than a year since the Liverpool Lightship Planet was seized by CaRT on the 19th September 2016, writes Pam Pickett.

Planet owned by Alan Roberts now lies in a shipyard approximately eight miles from R.W. Davies shipyard on the Gloucester & Sharpness Canal, that is also the current resting place of Geoff Mayers boat, Pearl.
lightshipThe snatch

Press coverage at the time of the snatch of Planet by the Trust appears to have referred to arrears of berthing fees amounting to £10,000. However, the arrears of berthing fees were in the reality just under £5,000. Those fees were being pursued through the County Court at the time of the seizure and were not the true reason for CaRT to snatch the vessel.

I am however led to understand those berthing fees were paid shortly after the vessel was taken and within the time limit stipulated in the court judgment. One has to wonder on whose word the £10,000 as widely reported was received by those journalists covering the story of the snatch? I rather doubt that the oft quoted ‘never let the truth get in the way of a good story’ applies here.
Sea worthiness

Regardless, prior to being towed to Sharpness, Planet was subjected to a survey by Braemar Technical Services, Marine Surveyors to ensure the seaworthiness of the vessel. The date of the instruction to Braemar Technical Services by CaRT was 28th July 2016. Interestingly, given this date, some two months before the snatch, you don’t have to be brain of Britain to assume that CaRT already had a coastal passage in mind.

For some reason however any mention of the value of Planet appears to have been omitted from the survey report, instead only the scrap value of £70,750 seems to have been stated. It was then in April/May this year that CaRT apparently claimed that due to ’ bad publicity’ enquiries were being received only from scrap merchants, hence the price of the sale. Handy then perhaps it was aware of the scrap value!
Failed to name the buyer

Moving on. Somewhat surprising I feel that costs incurred relating to the seizure of the vessel inclusive of those incurred by ‘High Court Bailiffs‘ that ultimately turned out to be no such thing. The cost of the survey and finally the 300 nautical miles tow to Sharpness had now clocked up some £43,000 in costs, yet was then sold for £12,500 to Steve Beacham, the owner of the shipyard to which the vessel was towed. ‘Bad publicity’ now together with ‘doubt as to title to Planet’ suggested by CaRT as being the reason for the eye-watering low price of the sale. CaRT however failed to name the buyer at this time.

I have to admit that when CaRT claimed to have sold the boat in April or May for just £12,500 I could not believe this to be true. However, listening to historian Peter Elson on the Roger Phillips phone-in on Radio Merseyside a couple of weeks ago, this information was indeed validated, Steve Beacham himself interviewed by Peter Elson it seems confirmed that he had in fact purchased Planet for the amount stated.
Loss of money

Some things it seems are stranger than fiction, given the loss of money here. Regardless of the high cost of breaking up a vessel like Planet, even scrap would give a rather nice return, but then not as much as selling Planet on, once tidied up as I understand is to happen, title permitting of course. Given the rates of interest offered to savers today I doubt any would turn up their nose at such a return!

Incidentally, at the end of the day Alan Roberts is yet another vulnerable boater, suffering from the painful autoimmune condition Polymialgia Rheumatica a symptom of which is clinical depression, with the primary treatment for this not only for some sufferers adding to that depression, I’m told, but also causing confusion.
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There have been copies of letters between both parties posted on Bar Lightship impounded thread Thunderboats page 74 in last few hours. The situation from just before Xmas end page 72 to p74 very recently is sounding not too good for Planet's life expectancy.


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Any news Lucy?
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Old 25th April 2018, 19:56
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There should be some more news over the next few days.

Keep a check on Thunderboats site. Label for thread is given in previous posts. It hasn't been updated for quite a while now but a few things have been going on I understand behind the scenes.
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Old 10th May 2018, 11:23
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This is an interesting youtube of Planet from
in 2008.

Stan Macnally is giving a tour of Ex Liverpool Lightship Planet

Stan is ex Marconi R/O and later Marconi service engineer at Liverpool.

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This video brings out the tragedy of the whole sorry saga. Such passion and enthusiasm.
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Tbere is an update today 13 05 2018 by Tony D on the Thunderboats site

BAR Lightship impounded by CRT yesterday | Thunderboat

http://thunderboat.boards.net/thread...terday?page=73
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Unbelievable, lets hope Alan Roberts has better luck now
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The 2008 Cityscape mural by Ben Johnson shows Planet in Canning Dock. This mural ws unveiled same time as Liverpool was European City of Culture. It also shows Albert Dock and many buildings.

The mural was in the Walker Gallery and will be displayed on first floor of Liverpool museum which is located at the Pierhead in a couple of weeks time.

Postcards, posters and art prints can be bought from the museum shop and online.

The mural can be viewed on line label below

The Liverpool Cityscape — Ben Johnson

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Old 17th May 2018, 17:55
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I see Thunderboats site Planet thread had had some I retested posting late last night and today by T.D


Alan R who owned and ran Planet when vessel was in Liverpool by coincidence sppatently was in nearby vicinity of Sharpness. On spur of moment he visited Sharpness Shipyard, Planet and site office .

Have copied para from one of today's new posts by T. D. There are also extracts on counsel's brief..


Alan had two phones with him and switched off, or ended the call properly, on the one he'd called me on - on loudspeaker - before going into Beacham's office, and somehow finished up recording the entire conversation. Apparently, he's - Beacham, that is - ''had enough" of ''Planet", doesn't want to "get involved", and everything he did was "in good faith" because all he ever wanted to do was to "save the ship"!


The rest can be seen using label below on page 73 Thunderboats ex Liverpool Bar lightship impounded CRT thread.


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Thank you Lucy for keeping us informed
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Is it me ? … or does it look like this saga is going to have an unhappy ending .. ?

I sincerely hope not, but the more I read about this, the more gobsmacked I am, and I still don't really understand what the hell is going on.

I guess I'm naturally pessimistic.
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Looks like a no win situation Bob.

If I was in the new buyer's position who has incurred relatively few costs to this point, I'd decide the vessel is more trouble than it's worth in light of potential future legal fees defending their position over an extended period of time and sell her back to the original owner for a pound, free of debts and any claims in a where is/as is condition. Once the paperwork is signed he's free to take her home.

By doing so, the former owner clears the original berthing debts but pays for the tow home, ie to ensure he has skin in the game. If the guy can't afford to pay for the tow then clearly he doesn't have the ability to pay further berthing feed once back in the 'pool so shouldn't be taking repossession and is no more than a wind up merchant.

Both sides cut their losses and walk away ruing the day 1. the owner failed to pay the berthing fees, 2. the new owner thought it was a good idea to seize a scouser's rickety awl'boat.

To bring this about I'd suggest a mediator to cut through the jungle of argument and counter argument to arrive at a single question to the two men "what's it going to take to make this problem go away."

No doubt they'll still be ambushing each other on dark streets in 5 years time...

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Apparently Tony Dunkerly who represents Alan Roberts spent and wasted 45 mins today preparing a post about the situation of Planet lightship. He then joined S/N, had permission to post, typed the long passage explaining the true situation, in the reply box and posted it. The post he had typed then just vanished and wssn't included on the thread.

He has plenty of experience posting on various boating sites.

He was none too pleased.
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I do not know if you are aware that in Liverpool alone there are literally hundreds of people who really want Planet back in her own port of Liverpool and also many others who do not live in the area.Many of us are trying to get Planet back to stay in Liverpool and NOT to sell her as you suggest, if you dont know the full truthful position and understand what is going on comments like yours do not help the situation!!
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The last long post at end page 73 Thunderboats site Ex Bar lightship impounded CRT thread, placed yesterday by T.D,. gives an update on the current situation.

http://thunderboat.boards.net/thread...terday?page=73
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I do not know if you are aware that in Liverpool alone there are literally hundreds of people who really want Planet back in her own port of Liverpool and also many others who do not live in the area.Many of us are trying to get Planet back to stay in Liverpool and NOT to sell her as you suggest, if you dont know the full truthful position and understand what is going on comments like yours do not help the situation!!
Freddy I'm a Scouser myself and have seen Planet many times however a balls up is a balls up and whilst your intentions are good, the way this whole matter has been handled is hardly a shining light in dispute resolution (or avoidance in the first place). The track record of the legal advisers... y'know....
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Sadly I am reminded of the debacle around HMS Plymouth that was sold for scrap by people who might, or might not have had proper title.
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There has been more activity very recently on p74 Thunderboats site re the Ex Bar lightship goings on.

http://thunderboat.boards.net/thread...terday?page=74

Re laspost above.

I remember HMS Plymouth before vessel went to Birkenhead. I can't remember much being said in media about objections to her shifting from Plymouth to the Northwest at the time. It was it when it was too late and it had leaked out vessel was being scrapped that Plymouth folk seemed to say much about saving vessel.
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The Thunderboats ex bar lightship impounded CRT thread has had more postings p75. Label in previous posts

However another thread at Thunderboats about sinking of paddle steamer in N Sea while under tow from Sharpness has made reference to Planet having been sold last weekend. About a third of way down page 2. on thread label below.

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