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Old 4th July 2009, 23:06
davidcurtis021 davidcurtis021 is offline  
 
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United towing pictures and names

hi i have just joined the forum my main hobby is steam engines (model types)
during that pursuit i came across a model tug named jessica ann she is powered by a car wiper motor but such a graceful lady i thought to myself deserves a proper steam engine so i bought her and she is now in my sitting room awaiting a refit.
During the course installing a real steam engine i would like to paint her and rename her as a united towing co tug my grandfather was a tugboat captain
and my father worked with him losing his arm whilst holding the funnel under Scott Street bridge.
i would like some images of company vessels from the 30-40 period along with names i can remember names like foreman inkerman and rifleman but others from the period when they were steam driven i cant any help much appreciated.
i have uploaded a picture to the model ship section
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Old 4th July 2009, 23:31
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Welcome aboard.
A search of the gallery using United Towing will bring up 101 pictures some of which may be of use.
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Old 4th July 2009, 23:46
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Welcome aboard.
A search of the gallery using United Towing will bring up 101 pictures some of which may be of use.
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thanks i will try that
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Old 5th July 2009, 06:34
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As far as my research into old records goes INKERMAN has not appeared as a United Towing name

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Old 5th July 2009, 12:42
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maybe my memory isnt as good as i thought i used to play on the foreshore at alexandra dock lockhead in the 50s and used to watch the tugs busying themselves on the river
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Old 5th July 2009, 19:56
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inkerman was a pub in Hull sam
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Old 6th July 2009, 19:11
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inkerman was a pub in Hull sam
i knew i hadnt just made that name up. thanks sam where abouts was it do you know i have not lived in hull for 50 years but i do go there on a regular basis.
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Old 7th July 2009, 11:39
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HI David yes it was a pub and its name was the inkerman taven but everyone used to say are you going into inkerman and just left the taven of, it was down wincomlee that runs next to the river Hull and the tugs you are on about all worked the river in there time so the inkerman was a pub used by the men who worked the river sam
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Old 7th July 2009, 21:08
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sam do you know whether the companies that merged to form united towing kept crew lists and if so what happened to them i would like to know what went on with my father and grandfather.
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David
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Old 7th July 2009, 22:11
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Hi David
I Am Sure You Will Find What Your Looking For On This Site,my Playground Was Alex And Vicki Docks In The Nineteen Fifties.i Would Go With My Godfather On The Brahman,one Of United Towings Tugs,i Think You May Find It Quite Difficult To Get Lists Of Crew Members Pre United Days,but Good Luck.
Best Wishes
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Old 8th July 2009, 11:57
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The tug fleet in 1937 included (all steamers, unless noted):

Autocrat (built 1915 / 128 tons gross)
Biddy (14/144)
Bureaucrat (16/137)
Guardsman (05/102)
Headman (24/177)
Hillman (30/41, mv)
Irishman (29/222)
Nobleman (25/226)
Norman (29/222)
Pinky (16/103)
Pressman (23/131)
Prizeman (25/226)
R W Wheeldon (12/138)
Roman (06/108)
Scotsman (29/222)
Seaman (24/369)
Superman (33/359)
Tollman (31/79)
Waterman (30/40, mv)
Yorkshireman (28/251)

Hope this is of interest
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Roger
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Old 8th July 2009, 16:09
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Hi Dave i did a lot of work with u.t.c in the old days and one of the jobs i had was to clear out the old office which was down Nelson St. The new office was down Queens Street, this was a big office, i was told by one of the office staff to clear out the top loft of the old office and all the old paper work that was in there was to be shreaded, well you can understand how i felt being a tug buff and all that info having to be dumped i just could not belive it, old tug list, sale of tugs, crew list, buying of other companys, well you can tell it took me weeks to do the job but the info that went in that sherder was unbeliverable, when the gaffer at the time found out what was going on he went mad, the office chap got the sack, so you can tell not much info will you get from utc now they have been taken over three times now and the new owners will not be bothered about the past, so the best think you can do is like the lads on the site say just keep looking at the site ask what you want and you can bet it will turn up on this site some good tugs buff on here, if i can help post it on the site one of the best lads on the site is PETE BASS he live next door to me and we shear a lot of info and have loads of photo sam
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Old 8th July 2009, 19:24
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thanks guys for your help maybe one day i will get across to look through the hull daily mail archives but i suspect that kind of incident was commonplace in the 1920s.
anyway i have some names and soon i hope my tug will be in the colours of my hometown company with a proper Hull tug name.
i do have one other question it isnt really important as my tug is not a true representation did the company's flag or representation of ever get painted on funnels
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Old 8th July 2009, 19:30
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The tug fleet in 1937 included (all steamers, unless noted):

Autocrat (built 1915 / 128 tons gross)
Biddy (14/144)
Bureaucrat (16/137)
Guardsman (05/102)
Headman (24/177)
Hillman (30/41, mv)
Irishman (29/222)
Nobleman (25/226)
Norman (29/222)
Pinky (16/103)
Pressman (23/131)
Prizeman (25/226)
R W Wheeldon (12/138)
Roman (06/108)
Scotsman (29/222)
Seaman (24/369)
Superman (33/359)
Tollman (31/79)
Waterman (30/40, mv)
Yorkshireman (28/251)

Hope this is of interest
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Roger
roger would you know if any of these had a hinged funnel
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Old 8th July 2009, 20:32
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Hi Dave,Tollman had hinged funnel on a counterweight
Regards Pete.
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Old 8th July 2009, 21:01
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Hi Dave,Tollman had hinged funnel on a counterweight
Regards Pete.
hi pete tollman may have been a bit late if i am reading the list correctly
my grandfather died in october 1932 aged 70 he is recorded as being a tug master on my fathers birth certificate in 1906 so i was guessing the accident
was mid 1920s unless my grandfather never retired.
my problem has always been my only source of information my mother was only a young girl when it happened and trying to get information was virtually impossible.
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Old 9th July 2009, 10:56
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hi all just happen,d to come across the disscusion about tollman, i was deckhand on her from 65 till 66 approx pip gardner was skipper, george head was chief engineer a chap called hassen was second engineer carl sengupta was mate i was on there till they scrapped her pip retired i joined trawlermam with george
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Old 9th July 2009, 17:04
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Hi Nobby, In 1962 Tollman capsized and sank in Alexandra Dock Hull while towing the Finnish ship Inio, she fouled her tow line and was pulled over.
The skipper Frank Barley and mate joe Barker were saved but the two engineers Tom Knight and Saif Messin along with the fifteen year old dk. boy
Bryan Webb were trapped in the tug. Pip Gardner was a well known skipper with U.T.Co. he goes back a long way.
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Old 9th July 2009, 18:11
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just wondering whether you needed any sort of board of trade ticket or anything to be in command of a tug and if as i hope, you did wouldn't ther likely be a record at grenwich.
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Old 9th July 2009, 18:36
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Hull Tugs

I have attached a picture of some of the Tugs mentioned above which may be of interest taken in 1960. Graeme
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Old 9th July 2009, 19:30
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hi all just happen,d to come across the disscusion about tollman, i was deckhand on her from 65 till 66 approx pip gardner was skipper, george head was chief engineer a chap called hassen was second engineer carl sengupta was mate i was on there till they scrapped her pip retired i joined trawlermam with george
TOLLMAN (1931 - 1966)
O.N. 162240. 79g. 0n. 75.5 x 19.1 x 7.6 feet.
C.2-cyl. (14" & 30" x 20") engine made by Earle's Shipbuilding & Engineering Company Ltd., Hull. 40 RHP. 420 IHP.

3.6.1930: Ordered at a cost of 8,000, from H. Scarr Ltd., Hessle upon Humber (Yard No. 354) by the United Towing Company Ltd., Hull.

7.2.1931: Launched.

5.1931: Completed.

23-24.5.1962: Whilst assisting the Finnish vessel INIO (1,403g./61) out of Alexandra Dock, Hull, capsized and sank in 30 feet of water, at a position 60 yards from the dock wall and partly obstructing the lock pit entrance. Her Master Frank Barley and Mate Joseph Barker survived, although three others perished.

31.5.1962: Lincoln & Hull Water Transport Company Ltd., commenced salvage operations by dredging an 8 foot channel of mud from around the vessel.

1.6.1962: Raised by the floating crane MIGHTY BULL and two lifting barges, so that by 13:00 hrs she was above the surface. Subsequently repaired and returned to service.

27.4.1966: Arrived at Bo'ness for demolition, by P. & W. MacLellan
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Old 9th July 2009, 19:51
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I was working on Alex Dock when it happened and i was with the C/E son his name is Bob Knight and he was a riveter and served his time with us at Brigham&Cowan at the time we where working in the dry dock. i still see bob now and again sam
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Old 9th July 2009, 20:22
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Gud on yer looking at all the names it brings tears to my eyes such wounderful old ladys those where the days beautiful, our lasses old man was on the Biddy and her uncle was on the riverman bring back memories Cheers Dennis Shakesby
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Old 9th July 2009, 21:01
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Hi Dennis, I've just been talking to your lass today on the phone, will drop the
United book off for you tomorrow. Get well soon. Regards Pete.
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Old 23rd July 2009, 22:24
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Hiya everyone and thanks for the posting of the Bureauocrat photo, my 1st deckies job on her. I couldn't even pull the masthead oil lights up unless I stood on the bulwarks and swung across the foredeck, of course I got a rollicking for doing it though..Tom Bell
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