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Old 23rd February 2011, 06:44
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When is a ship too large?

I read today that Maersk signed a contract with a South Korean shipyard to build 10 huge container ships: 1,312 feet long, and capable of carrying 18,000 containers !!!!
I wonder what it will be like to work on something like that? I can't even imagine what the deck crew does on a ship that large - surely not any maintenance. It's like running an aircraft carrier with a few dozen men!
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Old 23rd February 2011, 06:56
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New Order Placed By Maersk

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...ns?INTCMP=SRCH
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Old 23rd February 2011, 07:56
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Impressive stuff indeed but I am glad that I am away from it all.
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Old 23rd February 2011, 14:24
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Just as impressive/depressing is the thought of 18,000 lorries on the road to feed each ship.
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Old 23rd February 2011, 14:50
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I read today that Maersk signed a contract with a South Korean shipyard to build 10 huge container ships: 1,312 feet long, and capable of carrying 18,000 containers !!!!
I wonder what it will be like to work on something like that? I can't even imagine what the deck crew does on a ship that large - surely not any maintenance. It's like running an aircraft carrier with a few dozen men!
I doubt that the deck crowd ever actually get to see the deck on one of those giants.I suppose most of the time they would be washing down paintwork and painting around the accomodation.
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Old 23rd February 2011, 15:34
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Can these things get through Suez? Imagine the Somali Pirates with one.
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Old 23rd February 2011, 16:02
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Very impressive although Maersk in the past have spoke with "forked tongue" when it comes to their caring attitude toward's the enviroment, I understand she run's with 13 Crew.
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Old 23rd February 2011, 18:53
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I doubt that the deck crowd ever actually get to see the deck on one of those giants.I suppose most of the time they would be washing down paintwork and painting around the accomodation.
Not a chance nowadays. There is not a single interior painted surface on any of these vessels. There is precious little access for any washing down on the outside. Watch keeping/sleeping/eating and keeping fit to ward off boredom is the order of the day. With mixed crews there is often little social intercourse.
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Old 23rd February 2011, 20:10
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Old 23rd February 2011, 20:26
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Not a chance nowadays. There is not a single interior painted surface on any of these vessels. There is precious little access for any washing down on the outside. Watch keeping/sleeping/eating and keeping fit to ward off boredom is the order of the day. With mixed crews there is often little social intercourse.
What about the engine rooms - usually pale yellow paint on Maersk ships.
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Old 23rd February 2011, 20:39
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I read today that Maersk signed a contract with a South Korean shipyard to build 10 huge container ships: 1,312 feet long, and capable of carrying 18,000 containers !!!!
I wonder what it will be like to work on something like that? I can't even imagine what the deck crew does on a ship that large - surely not any maintenance. It's like running an aircraft carrier with a few dozen men!
A few dozen men? More like twenty, or perhaps even less! I used to sail on the Atlantic-class ships, which were the largest container ships in the world when they were built in the mid '80s, so I have some idea what it will be like. Of course, those ships were small by today's standards, only 950 feet long, 105 feet wide, and a capacity of 4,400 teus.

We operated with a crew of twenty. As a deck officer, I was responsible to make sure all cargo was loaded and secured properly, and that all the reefer containers were up and running properly before sailing. However, with five cranes operating simultaneously, it was absolutely impossible to keep up with what was going on. It was impossible to check the operating condition of all the reefers prior to sailing, or even to get them all plugged in. It was also impossible to check that all the containers carrying hazardous materials were properly segregated, nor was there time to check the manifest. If any of the reefers weren't running properly, any hazmats not properly segregates, or if there were any discrepancies in the manifest, then we were simply stuck with the situation, and legally liable accordingly. I remember one occasion when the coast Guard boarded one of those ships upon arrival in Boston from Europe. They examined the manifest (a set of documents several inches thick) and discovered so many discrepancies in it that they ended up levying $50,000 in fines against that particular ship alone.

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Old 23rd February 2011, 23:38
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In one report I read it said that it would have a crew of 13 ,how that will work is beyond me Tony
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Old 24th February 2011, 01:45
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WOW. My experience is so far back now that I probably wouldn't even find my way to the bridge haha! Still, wouldn't mind a trip on one of those monsters. I guess the job is becoming that of a truck driver (lorrie, I guess you say).
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What about the engine rooms - usually pale yellow paint on Maersk ships.
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Old 24th February 2011, 19:21
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Just as impressive/depressing is the thought of 18,000 lorries on the road to feed each ship.
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never seen a train loaded with containers??
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Old 24th February 2011, 19:48
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John seen quite a lot of them up here, Stobarts and Malcolms but the container trains only carry around 24-30 boxes. That would mean you would need around 700-750 trains.
Better than the road though. I would agree.

Would be awful if you had to go check the windlass then come back for some tools, you would be passing Gibralter by that time. Bad weather for Mate and crew going forward would be a nightmare.

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Old 24th February 2011, 21:18
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My own opinion is that any ship that twists and flexes on the high seas is too large.
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Old 24th February 2011, 21:42
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All ships, regardless of size, "twist and flex"!!
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Old 24th February 2011, 22:47
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All ships, regardless of size, "twist and flex"!!
True - but its a lot more comforting when you can't see it/measure it in units larger than one inch
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Old 25th February 2011, 04:54
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The Chinese must be howling with laughter. 18,000 containers at a time full of c**p no-one needs, manufactured with planned obsolescence and made by as-good-as slave labour from the non-renewable resources of other countries.
No wonder the earth shakes in fury!
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Old 25th February 2011, 07:09
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I agree, all c**p, nothing the world really needs. Does this mean that all these containers make the trip back to China empty, or full of recycled cardboard? Maybe a little bit of Champagne!!
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Old 25th February 2011, 09:10
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All ships, regardless of size, "twist and flex"!!
I quite agree Geoff, I've never seen one that didn't. It,(the Twisting and Flexing), is also very good for the poor voyage repair companies around the world, who need the work when bits fall off!
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Old 25th February 2011, 10:08
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For those that may be interested the total complement of these ships is planned to be 13!
So you can be sure there will be no maintenance done!
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Old 25th February 2011, 12:56
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I believe that a lot of modern ships are designed to be able to sail with about 13 of a crew but usually sail with around 19 or 20.
If I remember Maersks E class were designed for 13 crew but sail with a few more.
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Old 25th February 2011, 14:38
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Interesting link here: http://www.worldslargestship.com/
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